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Apple Says Many Users 'Bought an Android Phone By Mistake'

timothy posted about 6 months ago | from the thought-it-was-a-protocol-droid dept.

Android 711

mrspoonsi (2955715) writes "Apple CEO Tim Cook during his keynote said that around 130 million customers have purchased their first Apple device in the last twelve months. He states, 'Many of these customers were switchers from Android,' he said. 'They had bought an Android phone by mistake, and then had sought a better experience and a better life.' He added that almost half of those who have purchased an iPhone in China since December have switched from Android. However, it is worth noting that iPhones were not actually available in China until December, when pre-orders began, so it is unclear how much of the device's popularity there is simply down to the novelty factor, rather than a burning desire to flee from Android."

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It true !!!! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155013)

It the best mistake of my life ! :o)

Re:It true !!!! (5, Insightful)

Z00L00K (682162) | about 6 months ago | (#47155301)

An android phone is quite flexible and allows quite a bit of freedom to the user. An Apple phone may look cool, but as soon as you think of stuff that you like (other favorite web browser etc.) you are toast.

they tricked me! (3, Funny)

Thud457 (234763) | about 6 months ago | (#47155337)

Alibaba lied when they sold me my ePhone!

Re:It true !!!! (5, Insightful)

jjhall (555562) | about 6 months ago | (#47155543)

My wife and I have had "smartphones" (starting with Palm and the older Windows Mobile) for pushing 10 years now. We'd had Android phones for about 4 years, then we switched carriers in October. My wife decided she wanted to give an iPhone a try. I have an iPad for work, and she liked how it worked. She liked it for a couple of weeks, then the limitations started to get in the way. No external storage. Certain apps not available that she wanted. Settings she wasn't allowed to change such as default apps. In March we got her a new S4 and gave the iPhone to my daughter. 6 months is all she could stand being locked into Apple's walled garden. She didn't realize how open the Android system is in comparison to iOS.

If anything, I think Cook has it backwards. People go in looking for a smart phone and get sold an iPhone instead. If people are looking for an iPhone and walk out with an Android device I think it is more likely because of the price difference from an entry-level Android vs. an iPhone. It is very doubtful that they don't understand the difference with all of the marketing and hype surrounding both platforms. That or Apple is seriously underestimating the cognitive abilities of its customers, which is insulting at best.

Re:It true !!!! (3, Informative)

Chrisq (894406) | about 6 months ago | (#47155549)

An android phone is quite flexible and allows quite a bit of freedom to the user. An Apple phone may look cool, but as soon as you think of stuff that you like (other favorite web browser etc.) you are toast.

My daughter pestered and pestered for an iphone, as all her friends had one. Once she got one and found that there were much fewer free apps, and those that were free were mostly demos the novelty wore off.

Re:It true !!!! (5, Interesting)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 6 months ago | (#47155573)

I bought my little Android phone intentionally. At $150 with a Net10 sub ($45/mo for unlimited everything, and it uses Verizon's towers), the little Huawei Ascend is cheap, it does what I want it to do, and runs quite nicely. Why am I so cheap about my phone? Because if it gets lost, broke or stolen, so what? I'll just get another one.

By contrast, a $600 iPhone or Galaxy or whatever with the typical carrier's shitty plan/contract/caps/bullshit/etc isn't exactly my idea of Nirvana. I got better things to do with the extra dosh.

Mind you, I'm not a fanboy of any camp; I have an Android phone, a box at home running Linux Mint, and a MacBook Pro (I prefer UNIX/Linux for my lap/desktop - sue me.) Pint is, Android has its limitations (esp. when integrating with the MBP), but it also has its advantages (like actual file management instead of $#@^! iTunes).

To each their own... I've begun to reach an age where watching fanboys go nuts trying to defend their idol is entertainment, not a call to arms (well, except when it comes to Microsoft... fuck Microsoft.)

Other way around (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | about 6 months ago | (#47155033)

They were Android users, and sought something better. Everyone talking about iPhone. They love the shiny... but in a few months' time, many of them will switch back.

Re:Other way around (4, Interesting)

inasity_rules (1110095) | about 6 months ago | (#47155097)

I once bought an iPad. I did a lot of research on it - it had had the best graphics processor and best processor at the time. Solid construction, very nice hardware. I may have even been willing to live with the OS restrictions. The geographical limitations of me buying an app from the iStore killed it for me. I even went as far as to contact the app author, who said his hands were tied. Willing buyer, willing seller, some fcuked up bastards in the middle. I will never go back.

Gave it to my dad. Works well for him though.

Re:Other way around (-1, Troll)

dingen (958134) | about 6 months ago | (#47155145)

The geographical limitations of me buying an app from the iStore killed it for me.

Geographical? What? You do know the App Store isn't an actual store in the mall, right?

Re:Other way around (3, Informative)

fullmetal55 (698310) | about 6 months ago | (#47155177)

which apps you can buy vary from country to country... so yes it is very geographical.

Re:Other way around (1)

ArmoredDragon (3450605) | about 6 months ago | (#47155179)

Precisely why you'd think it would work anywhere. But it doesn't.

Re:Other way around (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 6 months ago | (#47155217)

Geographical? What? You do know the App Store isn't an actual store in the mall, right?

And you know that all content is not sold in all countries, right?

And is therefore tied to your geographical location.

Re:Other way around (4, Informative)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 6 months ago | (#47155255)

I can only assume that iTunes isn't available in his country at all or that each country has their own restrictions like nudity, etc. There are restrictions due to DRM and copyrighted content and there are legal limitations in each country. Apple does list [apple.com] what the restrictions are by country.

Re:Other way around (2)

inasity_rules (1110095) | about 6 months ago | (#47155475)

Not quite, specifically this was the game Avernum in South Africa. Not DRM or nudity or anything like that, just bloody-mindedness on apple's part. I could have pirated it, but I prefer to pay Jeff for his work.

Re:Other way around (1)

Guspaz (556486) | about 6 months ago | (#47155319)

Try downloading the iTunes Movie Trailer app in Canada. Hint: you can't.

Re:Other way around (2)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | about 6 months ago | (#47155323)

How were the seller's hands tied exactly? Most app developers just click every country in the app store when it comes to selling it. The only reason I can think of for a developer not to sell an app in a certain country is that he is not allowed to sell it there, because of content which is illegal in that country, or because the software uses libraries with a license that restricts sales in certain countries. In both cases it is appropriate not to sell the app there, and no fault of the "bastards in the middle"

Re:Other way around (4, Informative)

inasity_rules (1110095) | about 6 months ago | (#47155497)

I specifically asked Jeff Vogel about this, and he said, no, it was only Apple. Apple did not respond to my query, so I must presume their guilt in the matter.

Re:Other way around (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155335)

One acronym: VPN.

Re:Other way around (1)

inasity_rules (1110095) | about 6 months ago | (#47155507)

Pity my credit card was geolocated in South Africa.

Re:Other way around (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155541)

Hehe. No. The Apple store is not tied to your geographical location, but that of your credit card. In Russia, I bought (on the same day) from the Russian, Danish, and Dutch stores. The Russian via a separate account, the Danish and Dutch using the same account by switching credit cards.

Re:Other way around (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155365)

The main complaint about the iPad is the 4x3 screen. TV's, monitor's are 16x9, and will never go back to 4x3. So all videos, and increasingly, photos too, are 16x9. So if viewing any media is your usecase, the the crt like screen makes no sense.

Re:Other way around (4, Interesting)

ArmoredDragon (3450605) | about 6 months ago | (#47155277)

This is something I noticed with a lot of Windows Phone users. They bought into the platform thinking it was new and neat, and the WP supporter crowd (yes, it exists) were cheering themselves on last year claiming that they were the fastest growing platform. But from what I saw, after owning it for one generation most of these guys switched back to Android. And as it turns out, Windows Phone is no longer the "fastest growing" and is in fact stagnating.

http://betanews.com/2014/02/24... [betanews.com]

This may very well be the case of iPhone in China, given that it only recently started officially selling there.

Re:Other way around (4, Funny)

gstoddart (321705) | about 6 months ago | (#47155327)

the WP supporter crowd (yes, it exists) were cheering themselves on last year claiming that they were the fastest growing platform

Expressed as a percentage, almost any increase from zero is going to be the "fastest growing". :-P

Re:Other way around (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155515)

the WP supporter crowd (yes, it exists) were cheering themselves on last year claiming that they were the fastest growing platform

Expressed as a percentage, almost any increase from zero is going to be the "fastest growing". :-P

Is that what your boyfriend said about your dick

Re:Other way around (1)

PoiBoy (525770) | about 6 months ago | (#47155445)

I'll admit I bought a Nokia 920 when it came out, thinking WP8 along with the supposedly great camera would make for a great phone. Long story short, I'm going to get an Android phone this weekend. WP8 has a lot of nice ideas, but like everything MS, they managed to throw in enough lemons to make it a mediocre product overall.

"By Mistake" (4, Insightful)

Godai (104143) | about 6 months ago | (#47155051)

Well, fortunately iOS 8 adds a bunch of things that Android has had forever, so that will help the problem!

Re:"By Mistake" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155101)

We are stupid. Buying smartphones by mistake!!!

Re:"By Mistake" (5, Insightful)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 6 months ago | (#47155167)

So basically, is Apple's CEO saying that Apple users are idiots?

Re:"By Mistake" (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155225)

Shhhhhh..... you'll cause the reality distortion field to collapse.

Re:"By Mistake" (5, Funny)

Cro Magnon (467622) | about 6 months ago | (#47155281)

No, just that they're buying it wrong.

Re:"By Mistake" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155283)

Yes, this is why I stand in front of their products: idiotPhone, idiotPad and idiotPod

Re:"By Mistake" (2, Interesting)

cyberchondriac (456626) | about 6 months ago | (#47155509)

So basically, is Apple's CEO saying that Apple users are idiots?

Actually, yes, I think that's a fair conclusion - not that all Apple users are idiots (I'm one), but that is what he's basically intimating by making that ludicrous remark. How could anyone confuse phones? Even if you're totally illiterate, or English isn't your language, the iPhone has a distinctive look that hasn't changed in years, plus a big honkin' Apple logo on the back.
In reality, I think he's full of shit, and just trying to make excuses for Androids popularity and Apple's loss of market share. Mind you, I have nothing against iPhones, in fact I use one, and I like it. Very stable, very fast, the apps do what I need them to do, I don't need to hack this and that and customize my icons, blah blah. (besides, jailbreaking allows all that). But I have a Nexus 7 too. It's all good.
Apple needs to accept the fact that Android is steep competition for them, and stop making silly, insulting excuses.

Re:"By Mistake" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155529)

Who else would they market their one size fits all product to? People who compare specifications, features and price before making purchases are obviously not their target market.

Re:"By Mistake" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155133)

They are adding malware? I must have missed that part...

Re:"By Mistake" (1)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | about 6 months ago | (#47155503)

Are there any important features in iOS8 that Android doesn't already have? On the Apple web page I see:

Cloud photos. Complete with an icon that looks identical to the current Android/G+ photos app icon. Got it.

iMessages can do voice recordings now, and share locations and videos. WhatsApp does these things for ages already (and everyone here uses WhatsApp).

Notifications can have actions now. Android had this since Jellybean, though I'm not sure if they can have edit fields. Buttons certainly. Beneficially, Android notifications do not look like ass.

The multi-tasking UI shows recent people as well as recent apps now. OK, Android doesn't have that, though switching to a chat app usually does the trick for me. I'm not sure how important this is.

The Mail app now lets you swipe to mark as read (Gmail on Android uses swipe to archive for a while now), and recognises flight notifications and lets you add them to your calendar. Google Now does this for quite some time already, but it's automatic and you don't have to manually add to your calendar.

Safari now lets you see all open tabs (?? did it not do this before?). Chrome on Android at least lets you also zoom out to see tabs in a stack.

The keyboard now suggests the next word based on a language model. Android keyboard did this for a while already. Although from the screenshots it looks like maybe Apple's implementation is smarter (is it reading the question in the dinner/movie example?). I found the Android next word suggestions to rarely be helpful.

They allow third party keyboards now. A feature Android had since v1.0

Family sharing seems pretty unique, although as my family does not consistently use iOS and I am not a father or husband this is pretty irrelevant for me.

iCloud Drive. Same as Google Drive. Integrated since Jellybean with better integration since (I think) KitKat.

Health app/kit. I guess this is for Bluetooth LE profiles. Android does not have an integrated health app, alright. However I do not own any BLE health devices and don't plan to, so also pretty unimportant for me.

Cross device sync (but only if you use Apple stuff). Well, Google apps do this for many years already. Hangouts ring my phone and laptop already, Gmail syncs drafts already, etc.

A better integrated search engine. The one I've got in Android works fine. Not sure how much of a difference there is now.

And that's it. Out of all the new features, only three are unique to iOS and none matter for me personally. People in the multitasking UI is the only one I might possibly want to use. The rest are all catching up to Android, again. It's funny ... the times when I most appreciate my Nexus 5 are Apple announcement times, because it reminds me of all the features I sort of forgot about and take for granted.

The shareholders will be impressed (0)

gavron (1300111) | about 6 months ago | (#47155063)

Everything Tim Cook says in his official capacity reflects what Apple thinks.
That means that if it later comes out HE MADE THE WHOLE THING UP
BASED ENTIRELY ON HIS OPINION and that there are no statistics to
back it up, if the stock goes down, shareholders will sue.

How could he have statistics? Simple. Apple is in a unique position to
have every iPhone purchaser fill out a survey. But... they don't. So
there is no such data. That means any "conclusion" is purely anecdotal
(as in "My buddy said so and my other buddy agreed, yeah Android was
a mistake.") That's not statistically significant, and it's irresponsible for
a CEO of a public company to say so.

Still, whatever helps him sleep at night.

E

Re:The shareholders will be impressed (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 6 months ago | (#47155141)

if the stock goes down, shareholders will sue.

Is that how it works?

I don't think that's how it works. At least, it shouldn't work like that, save for intentional pump-n-dump type situations.

Re:The shareholders will be impressed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155153)

Tim made that all up. There are a lot of anecdotes of people switching to iPhone. There are just as many (or more) anecdotes about people switching to Android. iOS'es market share numbers vs. Android's numbers don't lie. The percent of the market that iOS has is shrinking - anecdotes about "a better life" be damned.

Re:The shareholders will be impressed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155421)

iOS hits all time low: http://venturebeat.com/2013/08/01/android-reaches-massive-80-market-share-windows-phone-hits-global-high-iphone-languishes/
Android dominates market: http://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybradley/2013/11/15/android-dominates-market-share-but-apple-makes-all-the-money/
Android thriving thanks to Apples staggering prices: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/12/google-android-apple_n_4260292.html

Cook is just following the fine tradition started by Jobs of spewing bullshit to pump up the believers to continue drinking the koolaid.

 

Re:The shareholders will be impressed (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about 6 months ago | (#47155183)

That's not statistically significant, and it's irresponsible for
a CEO of a public company to say so.

I believe the word you're looking for is puffery [wikipedia.org] .

Basically you can be full of shit, everyone knows you're full of shit, but it's OK to be full of shit because everyone knows you're not actually making a statement of fact.

Re:The shareholders will be impressed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155233)

It was said before, I I will repeat it, Apple is a monopoly pure and simple. The fact they come up with delusional propaganda in order to persuade the dumb public into buying an idiotphone only proves this.

This is what happens when you pat yourself on the back for stealing other tech, then try to hold out the next 'great' features which are pretty much standard on every other smartphone. I'm hoping, out of all the things I am hearing about Apple recently, this time around they will be in the history books as nothing more then another tech company that stole its shit from everyone else then tried to monopolize it. Instead of this messiah company that has done nothing, while the idiot media/press continue to think asshole like Steve Knobs was some type of great innovator.

Android (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155065)

These ARE the droids we're looking for ;)

That's like the switch from Windows to Mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155067)

There are lots of people switching from Windows to Mac, not a lot are switching from the Mac to the Windows. Do you have some? Sure you have! But not the majority. Windows, Android, Nokia and all others just messed things up pretty bad for the end consumer. It's an almost bankrupt company Apple that had to kick their balls to go user friendly and 'just make things work' a focus again.

Apple deserves all the money on their accounts that they have.

Re:That's like the switch from Windows to Mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155505)

There are lots of people switching from Windows to Mac, not a lot are switching from the Mac to the Windows. Do you have some? Sure you have! But not the majority. Windows, Android, Nokia and all others just messed things up pretty bad for the end consumer. It's an almost bankrupt company Apple that had to kick their balls to go user friendly and 'just make things work' a focus again.

Apple deserves all the money on their accounts that they have.

Where I cannot argue with your assertions, they are true, I am going to argue with your conclusion.

Windows is loosing market share. Like it or not, Windows is the king of the hill by a WIDE margin, with Apple and Linux trailing far behind. Folks leaving Windows for Apple are common, and if they have decided to pay the premium to get Apple, they are not going to be inclined to ditch it very quickly. But the reason is not because they like Apple better, but because it was really expensive to move. Some do move from Apple back to Windows, it's just a vanishingly small number. Some people don't like Apple's interface and/or don't care to pay the premium price to use Apple stuff, but once they buy it, it's hard to ditch it.

White Moto X (5, Funny)

Timothy Hartman (2905293) | about 6 months ago | (#47155079)

I constantly have people refer to my Moto X as an iPhone and tell me that it's natural for me to use an iPhone since I work on a lot of Macs. I don't think the Slashdot crowd are the type to get duped, but I can recount tons of people who went in for iPhones and were sold on Galaxy S3 by Verizon sales critters. I don't think really either is going to make for a better life more than the next. You can play Angry Birds while you poop with either equally effectively.

Re:White Moto X (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155163)

But you can't download a video of someone else pooping to your iPhone while doing so. Clearly, Android has the edge.

Re:White Moto X (4, Interesting)

Sockatume (732728) | about 6 months ago | (#47155191)

I suspect - and Apple would probably hate this - that to many people "iPhone" and "smartphone" mean exactly the same thing, in much the same way that all tissues are Kleenex. If you don't give enough of a damn about the differences between square touchscreens called Nexus and iPhone and Galaxy and Lumia to make a purchasing decision between them, you probably don't give enough of a damn to keep their names striaght.

Re:White Moto X (2)

mlts (1038732) | about 6 months ago | (#47155439)

This is probably similar to how some call all digital audio players, "iPods", or any tablet an iPad. For example, someone looking at a tablet, and telling the clerk they wanted the "Samsung iPad".

Is buying an Android phone a "mistake"? To answer a question with a question, is buying a Ford F-350 over a Dodge 3500 a mistake?

Yesterday's WWDC had a lot of stuff being announced, I'd say one of the more useful announcements was the iCloud storage price drop and the fact that iCloud can be used directly as a drive similar to Dropbox. However, Google Drive has had this functionality for a while, and its price is about the same as Apple's offering.

As for Android being a "mistake", not really. I don't know any tasks that you can do on iOS that can't be done on Android unless it is due to Apple-specific stuff like iMessage. Vice-versa, the main thing Android can do over non-jailbroken iOS are fairly esoteric things like accessing a sshfs volume, something that isn't really an everyday thing for most people.

Re:White Moto X (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 6 months ago | (#47155517)

To answer a question with a question, is buying a Ford F-350 over a Dodge 3500 a mistake?

According to my Mopar-inclined friends ... absolutely it is.

Re:White Moto X (2)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about 6 months ago | (#47155261)

having just bought a phone for my mom, at a VZ store no less, they recommended iPhone. We went with the Galaxy S5 instead, as I have never used an iPhone, and I am the one going to support it. My impression of the store was, you have half a dozen iPhones on the Apple wall, and several brands and a few models of each on the Android wall. The shear number of choices made it hard to choose iPhone randomly. And the salesperson's push to iPhone made it hard to choose Android by accident.

In the end, (anecdotal evidence) we got exactly the phone we wanted. It isn't hard to choose either, and if you're just looking for a "smart phone" you'll get one. However, saying that people "accidentally" bought an Android is a bit of a stretch and quite frankly says more about iPhone users and Apple customers intelligence than I suspect he wanted to say.

Bad Lip Reading - Everybody Poops (1)

tepples (727027) | about 6 months ago | (#47155383)

You can play Angry Birds while you poop with either equally effectively.

Silly. I thought you knew that everybody poops, and if they don't they're an Android and should be destroyed [youtube.com] .

Sounds like Tim Cook can become even richer (5, Funny)

kruach aum (1934852) | about 6 months ago | (#47155091)

I hear James Randi's foundation has a million dollar prize for people who can demonstrate their telepathic prowess. Surely being able to read the minds of 130 million people would qualify?

Re:Sounds like Tim Cook can become even richer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155453)

Tim Cook laughs at your measly million dollars!

In other news (5, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 6 months ago | (#47155099)

Coca- Cola says consumers have drank Pepsi by mistake in the past.

By mistake? (1)

redmid17 (1217076) | about 6 months ago | (#47155107)

I won't knock either. I've used both. Cook's statement is just plain incorrect.

You don't purchase something and replace it because you bought it buy mistake. You get the replacement if you need a new phone or feel the upgrade is worth it. Maybe a few of those people walked in wanting an iPhone and walked out with an Android phone (with no interference from sales staff). That would be the only time anyone bought it "by mistake."

Re:By mistake? (1)

NewWorldDan (899800) | about 6 months ago | (#47155275)

Oh, I've bought a few phones that were, in hindsight, mistakes. I knew what I was buying, I just didn't know it was crap. Android prior to Gingerbread was crap, and even Gingerbread was kind of iffy. Fortunately, smartphones have reached a point where even the cheap phones are pretty nice. My S3 is approaching 2 years old and I may continue to use it for another 2 years.

Re:By mistake? (2)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about 6 months ago | (#47155287)

And that says a bunch about the Apple Customer base than anything. I wonder how many iPhone sales are from people wanting Android and "accidentally" getting an iPhone. ;)

Whoosh (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155109)

as it flies over the poster's head.

Re:Whoosh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155463)

Exactly. This was clearly a joke if you watch the keynote. And it landed pretty well too.

Can I buy a punctuation (or an editor)? (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | about 6 months ago | (#47155115)

"Apple CEO Tim Cook during his keynote said that around 130 million customers have purchased their first Apple device in the last twelve months states, "Many of these customers were switchers from Android," he said.

Perhaps this means:

Apple CEO Tim Cook, during his keynote, said that around 130 million customers have purchased their first Apple device in the last twelve months. 'Many of these customers were switchers from Android,' he said.

Re:Can I buy a punctuation (or an editor)? (1)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | about 6 months ago | (#47155209)

If the sentence was, "Apple CEO Tim Cook said during his keynote that...," would you still use commas? If not, why should we need them here?

Re:Can I buy a punctuation (or an editor)? (4, Funny)

gstoddart (321705) | about 6 months ago | (#47155249)

Because, the, commas, help us, to, time the sentence, to, sound just like, William, Shatner. ;-)

Anecdotal but... (1, Insightful)

west (39918) | about 6 months ago | (#47155125)

I've listened in as a salesman told a woman that the Samsung was essentially an iPhone" to a woman who came in asking about it. He wasn't pleased when I chimed in that the two weren't quite the same. (I can guess which pays the bigger commission...)

I'm certain he could argue that the woman was using "iPhone" to mean "Smartphone" and he was pointing out that the two Smartphone OSes both have roughly the same feature set. But I'd bet that Tim Cook would feel that but for my intervention, she would have bought an Android "by mistake".

Re:Anecdotal but... (1)

legojenn (462946) | about 6 months ago | (#47155251)

also anecdotal

I had a 3GS that I got used. Last year, Rogers in Quebec had a deal with 5G of data, unlimited texting, unlimited local calling and domestic long distance for $70. I got an iPhone 5 on contract. What the hell? Anyhow, the clerk started pushing me towards Samsungs, but once he found out I already had an iPhone, stopped pushing the Nexus.

He then told me that Rogers pushes the Android phones harder because there is more profit in it for them.

Whether it's true or not, I can't say, but Tim Cook might be right in saying that people bought something that they were manipulated into. However, that's business and I am sure that there are people who are walking around with expensive Apple products that they don't need or planned to by either.

Re:Anecdotal but... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 6 months ago | (#47155359)

He then told me that Rogers pushes the Android phones harder because there is more profit in it for them.

Whether it's true or not, I can't say

I think you can safely assume that Rogers will push anything which makes them more profit.

Because, Rogers is ran by assholes. :-P

Re:Anecdotal but... (1)

Mr D from 63 (3395377) | about 6 months ago | (#47155263)

"I-phone" is simply a term for a lot of less educated consumers. If she didn't know the difference to start with, maybe the salesman was taking the right approach to explain the other options. Did your comment help or just confuse?

Coke and Pepsi (1)

tepples (727027) | about 6 months ago | (#47155449)

But it could have been reworded without the trademark infringement: "An iPhone is a smartphone, and a Galaxy is a smartphone. They both do pretty much the same things: talk, text, web, email, calendar, Facebook, games... It's like the difference between Coke and Pepsi. They're both fizzy drinks, just a little different."

Re:Anecdotal but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155343)

You know, from my time at best buy, if I had to guess which payed the bigger commission, I'd go with the iphone.

Is it maybe possible that the sales guy had been hearing what she wanted, she came in "wanting an iphone" but based on her needs and wants thought she might be happier with something else? I know, shocker that sometimes people don't actually know what they want. Maybe even she was using iphone as a generic for smartphone much as people refer to mp3 players as ipods. I know it's rare, but occasionally sales guys do try to lead you to a product that best suits you. Those are called the ones that are good at their job.

Oh, that's so rich (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155173)

"... and a better life"

Yeah, exactly. Thanks Apple for making lives around the world better.

Re:Oh, that's so rich (2)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | about 6 months ago | (#47155229)

Are all Apple public statements this arrogant? They're running those horrid (and long) commercials right now showing people using iDevices in all kinds of contrived circumstances, too.

Re:Oh, that's so rich (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 6 months ago | (#47155377)

Are all Apple public statements this arrogant?

Tell me how this differs from public statements made by Microsoft, Samsung, Google, Oracle or any other company?

The fact it, it isn't.

Riiighhhttt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155185)

One look at the price and there is no way you mistake them..

Apple... meh..

Trollbait, huh? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155213)

iPhone's been available in china a long time.

Just not on the 'verizon' version of the carrier.

Do we need a new apple story every day, just to troll?

Some may switch back again.... (2, Informative)

Dega704 (1454673) | about 6 months ago | (#47155243)

Because using an iPhone after being used to Android makes me want to chuck it against the wall.

Re:Some may switch back again.... (1)

DocSavage64109 (799754) | about 6 months ago | (#47155379)

Ha. I get to help various employees set up their google apps email on their phones where I work. Guess which phone has just one email program and is easy to add an account for. I don't even understand why android needs two or three different email apps.

Re:Some may switch back again.... (1)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | about 6 months ago | (#47155431)

Funny, I have the same urge when using an Android phone. Truth is: both take some getting used to after switching. It appears that casual (non techy) users find the iPhone slightly easier to get to grips with, while techy users prefer the flexibility of the Android (which for casual users may actually be a downside). But that's just anecdotal, and it's not that big a differentiator in any case; the main decision criteria appear to be price and appearance (of the device, not the OS).

Damn man! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155259)

...and here I thought that the play store was selling iphones and ipads and not nexii....

No smartphones for me (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155265)

Post Snowden, I have zero interest in using a smartphone with all my personal data integrated into one device; I use a nice simple candy bar phone instead.

I have a small Android tablet which I use for music and web browsing - and it remains switched off when not in use.

In other words, I practice the Battlestar Galactica approach to security and keep my devices separate. :-)

Re:No smartphones for me (1)

tepples (727027) | about 6 months ago | (#47155467)

Does this "small Android tablet" have cellular data service?

Tim: Bad Math, or Duplicity? (1, Insightful)

Bob9113 (14996) | about 6 months ago | (#47155293)

Apple CEO Tim Cook during his keynote said that around 130 million customers have purchased their first Apple device in the last twelve months states, "Many of these customers were switchers from Android,"

So, tell me, Tim, are you bad at math, or duplicitous? It is also true that many first time users of Android, nowadays, are switchers from iPhone. How can I know that without having any figures at hand? Simple: Said slightly differently: Many people who buy a smartphone today are on their second or later smartphone, and there are only two major smartphone OSs. If it is their first smartphone with OS A, it must be either their first smartphone, or they had a Windows phone (not many of those out there), or they switched from OS B. Simple math means many who use OS A for the first time switched from OS B.

So, Tim, are you saying neither you nor anyone who went over your speech could figure that math out, or are you saying you expect your audience won't catch it, and you'd try to put one over on them? Are you bad at math, or are you a used car salesman?

Define "major" (1)

tepples (727027) | about 6 months ago | (#47155539)

there are only two major smartphone OSs. [...] Windows phone (not many of those out there)

Where are you drawing the line for "major" and "not many of those"? According to three-week-old data by Canalys and ABI Research [computerworld.com] , Windows Phone trails iOS by about the same ratio by which iOS trails Android. But otherwise, I see your point that there are enough people whose previous smartphone run Android that switchers from Android would make up a large portion of iPhone and Lumia buyers.

Apple proves once again... (1)

kick6 (1081615) | about 6 months ago | (#47155297)

That they have, hands down, the best marketing people in the biz at their disposal. Only apple could repackage a stale turd, sell it as a "better life experience," while denigrating the competition. It's genius if you can pick up on it. There's, obviously, plenty of dumbshits who can't.

I don't see amazon app store or sideloading on app (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 6 months ago | (#47155315)

I don't see amazon app store or sideloading on apple. Also Apple Iphone starts at $650 unlocked.

Count me in (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155347)

I was a devoted Android user for the longest time. The problem with the Android ecosystem is lousy devices and poor end-to-end integration from the device through to the OS and UI. I bought the first Motorola Droid. It was great. With each successive revision, quality went downhill. When I had the chance to work on the iPhone at work, I realized what a higher quality product the iPhone was. It was a tough decision for me because I love the openness of the Android ecosystem. On the other hand, the iPhone is a better designed, rock-solid product, running on a more stable operating system. I was sold. As a developer, I hate Apple's overarching control and authoritarianism over its ecosystem. As a user, I love it because apps generally are prevented from going crazy and taking over my battery usage. And don't tell me about the fact that I can root my Android phone and solve it myself. I've done that. It's not as effective.

Apple such a shame (1)

Pewpdaddy (1364159) | about 6 months ago | (#47155361)

Listen people like what they like, and thats fine. Regardless the idea that Android users are buying these devices on accident is absurd at best. I accidentally bought a Note 3 for $300?? So now not only are Apple users unable to make their own decisions(see app store farce), but now they can't even buy the correct device? Not sure I'd like that type of customer. I've also noticed that most Apple users, at least the ones in my family tend to blame the issues with their handsets on other devices...

"A Better Life" (3, Insightful)

chinton (151403) | about 6 months ago | (#47155369)

Really... This phone or that phone will give you "a better life"?!? You need to get a life before you can have a better one.

I just switched myself (0)

sixsixtysix (1110135) | about 6 months ago | (#47155371)

I just switched myself, but it was to a Galaxy S5 from an Iphone 4S. I couldn't be happier. How rad is it to download a zip file, unzip it, and view the contents, all from a phone? Until Apple can do this, and the many other things they won't allow, they can eat a bag of dicks.

OMG! OMG! OMG! (3, Funny)

iggymanz (596061) | about 6 months ago | (#47155387)

I took the gel case off my Motorola Defy and IT DOESN'T HAVE AN APPLE LOGO ON THE BACK!! what do I do!? what do I do!?

Funny enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155391)

I did switch to an iPhone after two Android phones. I also have a serious case of Samsung hatred after that Android experience.
Note that I make a living as an Android developer ;)

Wanted iPhone, got Android because it's cheaper? (1)

swb (14022) | about 6 months ago | (#47155393)

I wonder how many wanted an iPhone but ended up buying an Android because it's cheaper?

I've noticed that a lot of people want X (often for specific reasons) but decide to buy Y because it's cheaper, even thought it doesn't meet their criteria like X does and then are disappointed because it doesn't do what they want.

Maybe I'm just bad with my money, but it seems like there's a lot of people out there for whom the "deal" is at least as important as the functionality/thing they are buying, yet often they make the "deal" the priority and end up with an unsatisfying purchase that seems to cost them more money than just spending what they needed to get the right thing the first time.

I think there's some kind of expression about the unhappiness with poor quality lingering long after the joy of a good deal.

Novelty Factor (1)

fermion (181285) | about 6 months ago | (#47155401)

Is certainly why many went to Android. While I do know a few android power users, most got an Android because the did not need most of the features of a smart phone. The Android was a cheaper option. Or they were not going to have multiple devices, and the larger screen was made the phone a better compromise. This is the mistake Apple made, I think. Assuming people just wanted a cheaper phone, when what people wanted was a phone that was better at browsing the web.

When I bought a TV I bought the cheapest TV I could with a big screen. I know that for most consumers, this is what they are looking at for a phone. Anyone can go down to the corner kiosk and get a phone for $100 and $50 a month, much cheaper than Apple.

What is interesting is that Apple is extraordinarily expensive but still has almost 20% of global market share. Samsung which tends to have more expensive phones, makes up the other 30%+. So half the market is samsung and Apple, not IOS on Android.

So a lot of world consumers are spending real money on phones. It will be whichever has the current novelty factor that they will buy. If you do not buy MS, there is no lockin.

Can't trust salesmen. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155403)

Salesmen don't know jack. They're just in it for the money.

There are plenty of reasons I'd take an Android over an iPhone. In fact, I'll probably buy an Android for my next phone. Androids can be cheaper (salesmen will push the most expensive of course). Files can be moved to and from Android devices freely without the need for an application like iTunes (which won't even allow mp3s to be moved off of them -- I needed to use a File Manager App and VLC to accomplish that). SoundAbout can be used to pipe audio to different devices (HDMI, headphones, etc.). Most come with microSD slots to expand storage. Torrents and emulators run on Android no problem.

Really, I don't understand why people are so cell phone obsessed. Cell phones are tools. They either do what you want them to, or they don't. Someone game me the iPhone I have now. It's good enough for making calls and listening to music, but I wouldn't call it the greatest thing ever made.

I guess no one watched the presentation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155407)

This was CLEARLY made as a joke. Jesus christ, people.

"a better life?" (1)

bravecanadian (638315) | about 6 months ago | (#47155447)

Really? I don't know what to say about that..

Oh what a surprise... (1)

QuietLagoon (813062) | about 6 months ago | (#47155485)

The Apple CEO during the keynote of the Apple developers conference states that people have switched from Android to iOS.

.
Just what did anyone expect him to say? That Apple is losing marketshare to Android?

OP *did* watch the video, right? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155487)

He said it with a chuckle, tongue-in-cheek and the audience took it that way. Sheesh.

Steve Jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155495)

also became Apple CEO by mistake, explains Tim Cook privately, don't quote me on this though.

yo0 fail it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155519)

the low sales rag. (1)

nimbius (983462) | about 6 months ago | (#47155531)

its not because our product is stagnant and overpriced, its because you're too stupid and didnt buy it. but dont worry, we told you about being stupid so now you can switch.

Don't be stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47155551)

Come on, don't be stupid just because it's the CEO of Apple and you're an anti-Apple fanboy.

The pronunciation made it very clear that it was meant as a joke and not to be taken literally.

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