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Apple Developing Curve Screen iPhones and Improved Sensors

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the rounding-things-out dept.

Cellphones 243

An anonymous reader writes "An Apple insider who asked not to be identified because the information is classified told Bloomberg that Apple's next iPhone models will come with curve displays and enhanced touchscreen sensors that can detect heavy and light touches. The two models -- 4.7-inches and 5.5-inches -- would be Apple's largest iPhones. Apple is still developing the two models and the person disclosed that Apple could launch the devices in the third quarter of next year."

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Curved Display? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389059)

Is this for anti glare or something?

Re:Curved Display? (5, Funny)

Gumpu (16052) | about a year ago | (#45389069)

Is this for anti glare or something?

No, I think it is to extract more money from wallets.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

Parafilmus (107866) | about a year ago | (#45389141)

Is this for anti glare or something?

No, I think it is to extract more money from wallets.

Aside from novelty, the point of a curved display is to squeeze more screen area into the same footprint.

I've never understood curved TVs, but I can see the appeal of curved phones which need to fit comfortably into palms and pockets.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about a year ago | (#45389213)

One benefit of squeezing more screen space into the same footprint is that your thumb will have an easier time hitting the edges. It sounds like a pointless technology at first (at least for phones), but it at least has the potential to be useful.

Re:Curved Display? (3, Interesting)

oobayly (1056050) | about a year ago | (#45389439)

My first thought is that it would be to prevent screen damage - if the display is curved and you place it face down on a flat surface there will be only two points of contact.

Re:Curved Display? (2)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#45389577)

You've hit the nail on the head.

ie. Nobody has a clue what it's for.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

StripedCow (776465) | about a year ago | (#45389971)

Nobody has a clue what it's for.

Perhaps it is a woman-thing.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year ago | (#45390067)

Nah, it doesn't have wings on the side.

Re:Curved Display? (2)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#45389569)

Aside from novelty, the point of a curved display is to squeeze more screen area into the same footprint.

Huh? What are you smoking? I think you should lay off it...

Re:Curved Display? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#45389677)

PS: Let's do the math!

What's the cosine of 5 degrees? That's the new size if you bend a screen by 10 degrees (5 degrees each side of the center line)

My calculator says cos(5) = 0.9962 ... so it's less than 0.5% smaller.

Plus it looks awful: http://www.bloomberg.com/image/ibdaG6emCoQY.jpg [bloomberg.com]

Re:Curved Display? (1)

HuguesT (84078) | about a year ago | (#45389913)

It's even worse than that. If w is the telephone apparent width, and alpha the bending angle, the screen's true width is

truewidth = alpha * (w/2)/(sin(alpha/2))

For w=2 inches and alpha = 10 degrees, truewidth = 2.00254 ; barely 0.1% better.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#45390029)

I think it's time to create some buzzword-bingo cards for these.

We can mark squares off whenever anybody says "more screen area", "fits better in pocket", etc.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year ago | (#45390049)

I don't have my number head on this morning, but if you're referring to foreshortening I was thinking much the same thing.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#45390141)

The claim is "More screen in the same space!!"

As a mathematician, I'm having trouble understanding what goes on in people's heads when they say things like that. It's so obviously not true.

Whenever I see one I'm going to point out how it increases screen reflectivity and makes it harder to see.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

digitalchinky (650880) | about a year ago | (#45390265)

In an emergency you could use it to fry a sausage I guess. : )

Re:Curved Display? (4, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#45389765)

No, I think it is to extract more money from wallets.

Yep. It's a "novelty" - a conversation point.

All it has to do is look weird and people will find ways they think it's "better" to justify it to themselves.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/29/samsung-galaxy-round-hands-on/ [engadget.com]

The sad thing is: In a few years we'll all have this whether we want it or not, there won't be anything but curved phones in the shops. After that they'll start selling us "classic shape" phones at a premium price. So it goes.

Re:Curved Display? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389937)

I remember the good old days when we had keypunches instead of computer monitors. I for one I'm glad things change.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#45390035)

Monitors were actually better...

Re:Curved Display? (1)

StripedCow (776465) | about a year ago | (#45389969)

Is this for anti glare or something?

Actually, with a curved display, there's more probability of glare.

Re:Curved Display? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389085)

Who cares?

Why would you bother with paying big $$ for an iPhone? They don't do anything particularly well any more.

Re:Curved Display? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389233)

Oh cool, an fandroid. I always heard of apple fanbois (i'll just call them fapples), but I've yet to see one out in the wild aside from some apple boards. OTOH, you fandroids proselytize for your shitty phones all over the place like it was a religion as well.

Let's get this clear, it's a fucking phone, dammit, not a way of life. Yours is made probably at the same crappy chinese factory theirs is, with the money going to the wallets of just another faceless corp, in this case that is also becoming increasingly shittier by the minute. Both are campaigning for douche and turd.

Please, from the rest of us, fuck off and die. Let adults talk about the topic of the day without this shit EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN TIME.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

qbast (1265706) | about a year ago | (#45389641)

Let's get this clear, it's a fucking phone, dammit, not a way of life

It would be a little more believable without all the foaming at the mouth.

Re:Curved Display? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389793)

Let's get this clear, it's a fucking phone, dammit, not a way of life

It would be a little more believable without all the foaming at the mouth.

It was an interesting mix of aggression and funny. Yet to see an Apple fanboy in the wild?? Too funny.

To focus sunlight (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389089)

As explained in the following link:
http://www.livescience.com/39371-skyscraper-melts-cars-20-fenchurch.html

Re:Curved Display? (1)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | about a year ago | (#45389099)

To fit in a pocket around the leg better?

Re:Curved Display? (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | about a year ago | (#45389145)

Yes, I always put my phone in my pocket _sideways_. Because I do this truly bizarre thing, their phones which will curve from top to bottom will totally fit around the _horizontal_ curve of my leg with I put them in my pocket _sideways_.

Hmm.. I feel my sarcasm didn't come across well, I wish I could draw a picture to better illustrate my sarcasm.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | about a year ago | (#45389291)

Why would you put the phone horizontal? That would be rather uncomfortable.

Re:Curved Display? (4, Funny)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#45389579)

Not if you wear sarcasm pants.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

geirlk (171706) | about a year ago | (#45389627)

It seems to be the most natural position for it. I put it in vertically, and it ends up horisontally.
And since my legs actually bend in that area, it makes it a lot easier to curl up into a fetal position every time Apple news is "leaked".

Re:Curved Display? (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#45389681)

How do you know which way the screen curves? All I see in the article is this:

curves downward at the edges

Which is ambiguous at best.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389935)

Hello, you look like a person that would like to choose a phone that suits your needs rather than one that Apple says is best for you.

Luckily, with Android, you can get a both a phone that is curved along the top-bottom axis like the Galaxy Round [engadget.com] or a phone that is curved along the left-right axis like the LG G Flex [engadget.com]
Naturally flat phones will also be supported in parallel with the curved ones if you should prefer that. (We have yet to see if this will be the case with products running a competing OS.)

Have a nice day, and remember, there is no wrong way to hold a phone.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

HyperQuantum (1032422) | about a year ago | (#45389985)

Slashdot should implement a sarcasm sign.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#45389105)

Is this for anti glare or something?

It seems to be a mixture of 'pointless novelty for its own sake' and 'human legs are roughly cylindrical, so slightly curved objects fit better in pockets that would otherwise be a bit small'.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | about a year ago | (#45389153)

There's also geometry - more screen size in a shorter device.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#45389587)

How much more, exactly? Have you calculated that before telling the world?

Re:Curved Display? (1)

narcc (412956) | about a year ago | (#45389927)

Obviously not. He wouldn't have made that "point" if he had.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#45390179)

He also said "shorter device" instead of "narrower device", when it's curved *vertically*.

And he did that on a 'nerd' website.

Yep. I think Apple has found their target market. They've run out of new features but this will have people queuing up all night to buy a iPhone6.

Re:Curved Display? (3, Insightful)

cHiphead (17854) | about a year ago | (#45389265)

They heard everyone else was doing it so they wanted to make sure everyone thought it was their idea. Like all the other stuff they come up with (and patent).

Re:Curved Display? (0)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#45389603)

They heard everyone else was doing it so they wanted to make sure everyone thought it was their idea. Like all the other stuff they come up with (and patent).

+1 Insightful.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#45389563)

Is this for anti glare or something?

A curve can make glare worse by focusing the light

Nope, this is just some stupid marketing gimmick. They spend years telling us that flat screen TVs are the way to go, now they're making them curved again.

Re:Curved Display? (1)

will_die (586523) | about a year ago | (#45389869)

The thing I can think of where you would want the curved screen is a bracelet type device, aka watch or Leela's wristband doohickey

Still inferior and twice the price (2, Insightful)

metrix007 (200091) | about a year ago | (#45389075)

Still with an OS that lacks features that have become standard in other platforms, still with sucky app management, still with a lack of control for a device you won.....all for twice the price of an equivalent Nexus phone.

No thanks. A phone where I can't install a browser of my choice(not just a reskin), download torrents on, use widgets(yes, they greatly increase productivity) on or not have every damn app as an icon on a home screen isn't much use to me.

Nexus - still on the fence (5, Informative)

rsborg (111459) | about a year ago | (#45389191)

Still with an OS that lacks features that have become standard in other platforms, still with sucky app management, still with a lack of control for a device you won.....all for twice the price of an equivalent Nexus phone.

No thanks. A phone where I can't install a browser of my choice(not just a reskin), download torrents on, use widgets(yes, they greatly increase productivity) on or not have every damn app as an icon on a home screen isn't much use to me.

I just bought a Nexus 5, coming from an iPhone5. I still haven't figured out how to get widgets on my lock screen (apparently, it's *not* just a setting in security - all the JB guides refer to things that KitKat doesn't permit). I sure hope that isn't a feature regression, cause I can get weather on my iOS7 lockscreen (with a drop-slider). Furthermore, during setup/install, I had to enter my wifi password twice (once before update, then after update it forgot all my settings), and it blanked out in an enitre screen. Add to that the fact that the built-in PDF renderer failed on 2 documents I tried to download, and that swiftkey is slow to load, the Chrome location bar is poorly spaced (causing me to wipe out several addresses), and the general confusion about how things are done (there's a search app and the browser app - look and behave similarly but aren't the same).

The bluetooth seems to work better with apps on my Nexus, and the screen real-estate is nice. But ... there are a lot of things that the previous-year iPhone did much better/cleaner than the Nexus does. I'm not going back just yet - but so far it isn't a bed of roses here. Hoping I can sort out some of these expectation misses before I feel forced to send this device back.

Re:Nexus - still on the fence (2)

metrix007 (200091) | about a year ago | (#45389321)

Out of curiosity, what would you say the iPhone did better?

I don't have KitKat so can't help with that, but don't assume the bundle browser is chrome unless it actually says chrome. If it doesn't, may well be worth getting Chrome or Dolphin.

Also, why would you need swiftkey? The android keyboard does the same thing now.

For searching, you shouldn't need an app, just use the search bar at the top of every home screen.

Widgets on lockscreens are still there...

It sounds like you just have to learn a different way to doing things.

Re:Nexus - still on the fence (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45390085)

Just to point it out. In my Nexus 5 the default browser *is* Chrome. The icon is that of chrome, its name is chrome as well, and if I select help from the menu it goes straight into the Chrome for Mobile support page. My bet is that this is the case for the OP as well.

BTW, the default messaging app is Hangouts, this includes SMS. My first action was to install some other SMS application as the way I use it I prefer SMS messages to be isolated in a different app. But I guess that is about preferences (I no longer use SMS with people, but I like them to receive notifications for some stuff.

Re:Nexus - still on the fence (-1, Troll)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year ago | (#45389451)

I just bought an iPhone 5. I say "just" but actually it was two weeks ago, and I spent the time since then reading the EULA. Parts of it didn't even seem to be in English but eventually I agreed to it. Now Apple wants to sew my mouth to some guy's arse hole or something...

Anyway, the phone itself is glitchy. I get motion sickness whenever there is that annoying zoom/parallax effect, and it's literally ALL THE TIME. I couldn't figure out how to side load my Android apps on to it either. The screen is tiny, it looks like a Pepper Pig toy phone. Every five minutes it asks me to make an Apple ID, which I don't need or want.

Can't seem to get my music on to it. Apparently I have to install this iTunes thing but I'm going to need another month to read the EULA. It doesn't seem to support FLAC anyway. The keyboard is awful. The fingerprint scanner looks interesting but I don't have any fingerprints, you insensitive clod.

On top of all that it keeps ordering industrial quantities of anal lube on Amazon. Apparently I agreed to that but to be honest I can't remember. Obviously I'm going to return the phone, and maybe try an iPhone 5C instead.

widgets on the lock screen (2, Interesting)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | about a year ago | (#45389471)

First you need to check that box in security as you saw.

Then at the lock screen sweep from left (all the way left) to right. You'll get to a blank screen with a plus sign on it. Click the plus sign and you can add a widget.Now if you want that to be the default widget instead of one you have to sweep to get to, then you have to sweep back to the main lock screen, click and hold it and drag it to the "remove" item at the top.

The setup/install is screwed, you do have to go through setup at least partially twice due to that update.

The PDF renderer is bizarre and on top of that it interacts with the terrible download UI in bad ways. Frequently my phone will finish the pdf download in the notifications, then show nothing at all, then like 30 seconds later it'll bring a PDF reader to the front (my Nexus 4 did it too). And if you want to view the PDF again later, you have to click the link again, watch it download (not sure it's downloading or just verifying an existing download) before it can be viewed again.

I love how the notifications work compared to the iPhone though. And the keyboard is about 10x better than the iPhone one, using the iPhone one now is like torture to me.

It kills me that there is virtually no help for anything. Try asking the phone questions like "what are those icons up at the top of the screen" (the notifications). You can do so either with the excellent voice search or by typing it, either way it won't give you any answer, it just searches the web. And even if a result comes back from the web, the result isn't keyed to the OS you are running. Back when I was running ICS on my Nexus 4 I would search and get "help" answers that only applied to Gingerbread.

Speaking of notifications, I watched two ladies use their Samsung Galaxies last week, both had notifications lined up all across the top of their screen. They didn't know what a notification was, how to view/answer it or how to make them go away. Really sad.

I do like the Nexus 5 though, better than the Nexus 4 I had before it. And it's a heck of a value. But it still has a ways to go to catch up to the iPhone in usability in many ways.

Now, if I could just get Apple to see what the Nexus 5 does right and copy that. The price. The screen. The keyboard. The ability to use bluetooth (non-4.0) devices without an Apple auth chip installed. The ability to use other mail clients as if they were built-in.

Re:Still inferior and twice the price (1)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year ago | (#45389305)

Still with an OS that lacks features that have become standard in other platforms, still with sucky app management, still with a lack of control for a device you won.

sweet how did you win an iPhone? Like a contest or something?

Re: Still inferior and twice the price (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389311)

Then an iPhone is not for you, obviously, good that you have a choice, why waste your precious time ranting about something you don't even care about... or, wait, you do!

Re:Still inferior and twice the price (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389373)

Still with an OS that lacks features that have become standard in other platforms, still with sucky app management, still with a lack of control for a device you won.....all for twice the price of an equivalent Nexus phone.

No thanks. A phone where I can't install a browser of my choice(not just a reskin), download torrents on, use widgets(yes, they greatly increase productivity) on or not have every damn app as an icon on a home screen isn't much use to me.

iOS does not work like Android and that constitutes positive proof of suckyness... got it, well then Android must suck too because I know somebody who doesn't like it. -- For the sarcastically impaired, yes, that was sarcasm.

Re:Still inferior and twice the price (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389683)

MY GOD! YOU'RE RIGHT! I've been using an iPhone for 3 years and it never even occurred to me that I could download torrents over an expensive & slow public network while on the move instead of just having them come straight to my PC over my fiber DSL. And God yes there's so much competition in the browser space right now, with massive feature imparity between all the different browsers, I can see now that not being able to run Firefox has massively impacted my life.

So, all the apps & games I use on iPhone are available on Android, right? So I can just switch, right, and it'll be completely painless, yeah?

Re:Still inferior and twice the price (2)

Bogtha (906264) | about a year ago | (#45390285)

I'm curious what you mean by "sucky app management". One of the things that really bugs me about Android is that the standard way of removing an app from a device is to go into Settings > App Management > Pick the app > Uninstall, which then pops up a dialog box confirming deletion. On iOS, I just have to tap and hold the app icon, then tap the x, which makes the app disappear instantly. iOS seems to have the clear advantage there.

not have every damn app as an icon on a home screen

Put your apps in a folder. It becomes the functional equivalent of the app drawer on Android, except you can have as many as you want and give them names.

And of course, once you take into account normal use patterns not Slashdotter use patterns, iOS seems to have even more of a lead. When you install apps, they appear on your home screen by default, not hidden away in the app drawer. That's far more sensible for normal users. And you do realise that downloading torrents on your phone is an extremely niche use pattern, right?

That word classified... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389077)

I do not think it means what you think it means.

Re:That word classified... (1)

SirAdelaide (1432553) | about a year ago | (#45389149)

I do not think [classified] means what you think it means.

Logged in post the same thing and was beaten to it.

Re:That word classified... (1, Troll)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#45389189)

I certainly wouldn't want to test the limits of Apple's "Global Security" division... Especially not in one of their company towns [appleinsider.com] .

Re:That word classified... (1)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year ago | (#45389317)

+1 NSAs

Re:That word classified... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389421)

I think it means corporate culture is sick.

Re:That word classified... (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#45389597)

I do not think it means what you think it means.

I agree. He's a dickhead. Sure, it's Apple and they will sell millions of this thing anyway. But still, one has a bad work ethic if he goes revealing things like this. He should try to be a team player.

Apple is back! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389081)

At last! It's nice to see Apple innovating and taking the lead again.

Re:Apple is back! (2)

geirlk (171706) | about a year ago | (#45389687)

Mod, mark this "insightful", or "flamebait".

Curved apples (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389091)

I have seen flat apples only of on paper so far.
Curved apples .. that is improvement.

I believe the article title is incorrect. (5, Funny)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | about a year ago | (#45389125)

Apple is not developing large screen phones with curved displays, they are inventing large screen phones with curved displays.

Re:I believe the article title is incorrect. (1)

hairyfish (1653411) | about a year ago | (#45389549)

So this new iPhone will be exactly like the Samsung Galaxy Round [engadget.com] then?

Re:I believe the article title is incorrect. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389637)

No, Samsung stole the idea from Apple, the same way that they stole all those other ideas. With a time machine.

Re:I believe the article title is incorrect. (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#45389749)

Now Apple will patent it and sue Samsung for copying them. That's what history will remember.

Re:I believe the article title is incorrect. (1)

fatphil (181876) | about a year ago | (#45389943)

Paging Lucy Koh, paging Lucy Koh, time to wield your magical gavel again...

Re:I believe the article title is incorrect. (1)

feral-troll (3419661) | about a year ago | (#45389753)

So this new iPhone will be exactly like the Samsung Galaxy Round [engadget.com] then?

No, according to Forbes [forbes.com] it will probably be curved from top to bottom like the LG Flex [slashdot.org] , not curved from side to side like that Samsung device. That, IMHO, makes a bit more sense than curving it from side to side since (as the Forbes article points out) it addresses that little pain-point where either the phone is too far from your mouth, or not close enough to your ear. And I'm afraid that both Apple, LG and Samsung were all beaten to it on the curved mobile phones front by Motorola, the DynaTAC [wikipedia.org] was shaped to bring the microphone closer to your mouth, a feature it inherited from much older conventional land-line phone designs.

Re:I believe the article title is incorrect. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389815)

So this new iPhone will be exactly like the Samsung Galaxy Round [engadget.com] then?

No, according to Forbes [forbes.com] it will probably be curved from top to bottom like the LG Flex [slashdot.org] , not curved from side to side like that Samsung device. That, IMHO, makes a bit more sense than curving it from side to side since (as the Forbes article points out) it addresses that little pain-point where either the phone is too far from your mouth, or not close enough to your ear. And I'm afraid that both Apple, LG and Samsung were all beaten to it on the curved mobile phones front by Motorola, the DynaTAC [wikipedia.org] was shaped to bring the microphone closer to your mouth, a feature it inherited from much older conventional land-line phone designs.

No modern phone (should) have the need for you to have the microphone up close to your mouth. In fact, it is preferable not to, for the person on the other end.

Re:I believe the article title is incorrect. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45390249)

So this new iPhone will be exactly like the Samsung Galaxy Round [engadget.com] then?

No, according to Forbes [forbes.com] it will probably be curved from top to bottom like the LG Flex [slashdot.org] , not curved from side to side like that Samsung device. That, IMHO, makes a bit more sense than curving it from side to side since (as the Forbes article points out) it addresses that little pain-point where either the phone is too far from your mouth, or not close enough to your ear. And I'm afraid that both Apple, LG and Samsung were all beaten to it on the curved mobile phones front by Motorola, the DynaTAC [wikipedia.org] was shaped to bring the microphone closer to your mouth, a feature it inherited from much older conventional land-line phone designs.

No modern phone (should) have the need for you to have the microphone up close to your mouth. In fact, it is preferable not to, for the person on the other end.

Maybe, but a curved phone feels more natural, at least it does IMHO. Even so I still think this curved/flex display craze is a fad.

Re:I believe the article title is incorrect. (2)

rasmusbr (2186518) | about a year ago | (#45390181)

Apple's star team of designers and engineers has rethought the whole concept of the phone screen from the ground up and designed a completely new metacarpal retina display that gives the user a profound and natural experience, as the screen follows the natural motion of your thumb and responds to your touch in a way that's completely superior to previous flimsy attempts at curved screens by lesser companies.

Out of curiosity... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#45389135)

Given that capacitive touchscreens are typically intended to be used with input devices (fingers or those ghastly little rubber stylus-things) that deform under pressure, is there something stopping you from computing approximate pressure by examining the size of the area of contact across the duration of the touch? A light touch would presumably be of nearly constant size, with little or no deformation of the user's finger, a heavy touch would have substantially greater surface area at its peak (when the user's finger is deformed against the rigid glass) than during the beginning or end of the touch.

Are current capacitive touchscreens not high resolution enough for that? Not a high enough refresh rate? Human-meat too unpredictable in deform-ability between subjects?

Re:Out of curiosity... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389183)

There's actually a few apps that do this. I think Sketchbook Pro for Android can do it, although it's pretty rough.

Re:Out of curiosity... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389257)

You'd be surprised at how low the resolution of the sensors is. What do you think it is?

Re:Out of curiosity... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389429)

There is a private API you can use to figure out the "pressure" of the touch, but it was never made public. Some guys made an app using it and only could videodemo it on youtube because Apple would never allow it on the appstore. Walled gardens indeed.

Re:Out of curiosity... (2)

EETech1 (1179269) | about a year ago | (#45389651)

Android has a show pointer locations setting in developer options that gives the size and pressure of the touch (among other things) and it seems to give a good indication of both. At least on the 3 devices I've owned, not sure if they all work that well.

Cheers

No, no, no, I got a better one (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389279)

They are developing smart watches. You hear that, Samsung? SMART WATCHES! Yeah.

What??!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389327)

What the hell is wrong with these people? Now everyone is fixating on curve displays? They aren't done screwing everything up with the previous fixation - convergence. Is this the madness for 2014? Talk about religion.

Re:What??!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389387)

What the hell is wrong with these people? Now everyone is fixating on curve displays? They aren't done screwing everything up with the previous fixation - convergence. Is this the madness for 2014? Talk about religion.

For additional pixels on the screen without making phone higher/wider. Got it?

Re:What??!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389849)

What the hell is wrong with these people? Now everyone is fixating on curve displays? They aren't done screwing everything up with the previous fixation - convergence. Is this the madness for 2014? Talk about religion.

For additional pixels on the screen without making phone higher/wider. Got it?

It doesn't make a damn bit of difference for that (scroll up for post with the actual calculation, the effect is miniscule).

The cost of consonants (5, Insightful)

shikari666 (770101) | about a year ago | (#45389357)

Is the letter "d" particularly expensive these days?

"...iPhone models will come with curve displays and enhance touchscreen sensors," Why not, "curved displays and enhanced touchscreen sensors"?

I'm not so much a grammar Nazi as someone who believes that if you're going to write something for a large (or even small) audience you should make an effort to write clearly in respect for that audience. I'll probably get the "You jerk, you know what he meant!" response but I stand by my point.

Re:The cost of consonants (1)

PatPending (953482) | about a year ago | (#45389625)

Is the possessive apostrophe particularly expensive these days?

"...told Bloomberg that Apple next iPhone models will come with..." and "...would be Apple largest iPhones."

Why not "Apple's next iPhone" and "Apple's largest iPhones?" Because as girlintraining posted elsewhere,

"Dice doesn't have dedicated slashdot editors anymore. They are editors of a dozen or so sites. Really now, what kind of quality do you expect now that they've sold out and now monetize the web synergies to create a new market paradigm of customer-focused informational advertisements?"

iWatch? (2)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year ago | (#45389359)

Maybe the curved screen is for the planned iWatch. Apple tends to use tricks so the press and industrial spies don't know accurately what feature will go to which product.

What's the point? (1)

scsirob (246572) | about a year ago | (#45389397)

I just can't see how a curved display is any better than a flat one. It makes the shape of the phone awkward, it becomes unstable on a flat surface unless the back of the phone is flat. In which case the sides are much thicker than needed. To me this is a totally unnecessary gimmick. Next up: Wavy displays, round displays, triangle displays. But Why?!?? Different != Better.

Re:What's the point? (1)

zwei2stein (782480) | about a year ago | (#45389993)

Have you ever put your cellphone into your poket?

These would likely win customers back (5, Interesting)

Camembert (2891457) | about a year ago | (#45389407)

I currently live in Asia (1.5 years in Singapore and now in Hong Kong) and I've seen Android (mainly Samsung) phones getting more and more popular over that period. This is very obvious when observing people in the metro.

From discussions, it is mainly the large screen size that draws many people to these Samsung devices. Leaving out the tiring arguments of fanboys of each camp, non-technical people liked the iphones just fine, sometimes preferring the way it works, but mainly they prefer a bigger screen.

Myself, I prefer a compact phone - I have an iPhone 4S and would love it with 5S guts. But it is obvious that Apple should have been selling bigger phones since a good time already. So, considering that the brand still has goodwill amongst non slashdotty users, I can imagine that they will win back some users with these bigger phones.

Regarding the technical changes. I like the idea of a pressure-level sensitive sensor. I can imagine that a curved screen will look very posh (nothing wrong with that, in fact since a number of years I like buying things that are nicely designed, even if at a premium), but it's to my mind not really a true value add. I do expect that a curved screen will look much more natural on an eventual iWatch.

Re:These would likely win customers back (1)

feral-troll (3419661) | about a year ago | (#45389691)

I currently live in Asia (1.5 years in Singapore and now in Hong Kong) and I've seen Android (mainly Samsung) phones getting more and more popular over that period. This is very obvious when observing people in the metro.

From discussions, it is mainly the large screen size that draws many people to these Samsung devices. Leaving out the tiring arguments of fanboys of each camp, non-technical people liked the iphones just fine, sometimes preferring the way it works, but mainly they prefer a bigger screen.

Myself, I prefer a compact phone - I have an iPhone 4S and would love it with 5S guts. But it is obvious that Apple should have been selling bigger phones since a good time already. So, considering that the brand still has goodwill amongst non slashdotty users, I can imagine that they will win back some users with these bigger phones.

Regarding the technical changes. I like the idea of a pressure-level sensitive sensor. I can imagine that a curved screen will look very posh (nothing wrong with that, in fact since a number of years I like buying things that are nicely designed, even if at a premium), but it's to my mind not really a true value add. I do expect that a curved screen will look much more natural on an eventual iWatch.

That sums it up pretty nicely. Outside of Slashdot nobody gives a rats ass about this holy war against the Anti Christ (aka. Apple). People buy what they like and a lot of them like phones with large displays.

Re:These would likely win customers back (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389775)

I currently live in Asia (1.5 years in Singapore and now in Hong Kong) and I've seen Android (mainly Samsung) phones getting more and more popular over that period. This is very obvious when observing people in the metro.

From discussions, it is mainly the large screen size that draws many people to these Samsung devices. Leaving out the tiring arguments of fanboys of each camp, non-technical people liked the iphones just fine, sometimes preferring the way it works, but mainly they prefer a bigger screen.

Myself, I prefer a compact phone - I have an iPhone 4S and would love it with 5S guts. But it is obvious that Apple should have been selling bigger phones since a good time already. So, considering that the brand still has goodwill amongst non slashdotty users, I can imagine that they will win back some users with these bigger phones.

Regarding the technical changes. I like the idea of a pressure-level sensitive sensor. I can imagine that a curved screen will look very posh (nothing wrong with that, in fact since a number of years I like buying things that are nicely designed, even if at a premium), but it's to my mind not really a true value add. I do expect that a curved screen will look much more natural on an eventual iWatch.

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Re:These would likely win customers back (1)

MidnightBrewer (97195) | about a year ago | (#45389893)

The majority of the large-screen demographic in Asia is women, not men. They want a single device and have bags to carry them in regardless of size. Men are more likely to have a smaller smartphone and a tablet to go with it.

Re:These would likely win customers back (1)

Camembert (2891457) | about a year ago | (#45390267)

From my direct observation, plenty of men have bigger size phones as well here in Hong Kong.

Re:These would likely win customers back (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year ago | (#45390157)

Pressure sensitive touch screens won't be very useful on a mobile device. When you are holding the phone in one hand you have fairly limited ability to vary the pressure you touch with. There are not many applications where it could have much practical purpose.

Anonymous coward? (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about a year ago | (#45389591)

An Apple insider who asked not to be identified because the information is classifiedâ¦

In other words, an unverifiable rumour from an unverifiable source. It appeared first on MacRumors, where it has some justification to appear because it is about rumours. It does not fit under "news for nerds", because it isn't news.

Re:Anonymous coward? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389697)

I suppose we are invited to assume that Bloomberg has verified the source's identity, it being a news agency and all that.

There's a subtle semantic difference between "asked not to be identified" and "anonymous", by the way.

Re:Anonymous coward? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389747)

Fortunately for Bloomberg, the source had his Ralphs Value Club Card

Samsung patent (1)

stenvar (2789879) | about a year ago | (#45389667)

Apple has chosen as its trademark a small, flat, long, and narrow rectangle with rounded corners. And Apple made a big deal over this. Apple made their bed, let them sleep in it.

Samsung ended up with the rounded smooth shapes. Samsung should patent the look and feel of phones with curved screens. They could file separate patents for different curvatures.

Re:Samsung patent (1)

jo_ham (604554) | about a year ago | (#45389947)

Apple has chosen as its trademark a small, flat, long, and narrow rectangle with rounded corners. And Apple made a big deal over this. Apple made their bed, let them sleep in it.

Samsung ended up with the rounded smooth shapes. Samsung should patent the look and feel of phones with curved screens. They could file separate patents for different curvatures.

Err... they do?

Samsung has design patents on its own phones too.

You don't think design patents are unique to Apple do you?

Re:Samsung patent (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about a year ago | (#45390243)

Samsung ended up with the rounded smooth shapes. Samsung should patent the look and feel of phones with curved screens. They could file separate patents for different curvatures.

They not only should, but they have. Samsung has design patents for their Galaxy phones (I haven't looked for others). Design patents that consist of a list of design details, including corners that are rounded in a certain way.

Such a pathetic copy of Samsung (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45389759)

Apple, do you even innovate?

Apple Developing != Apple Selling (2)

MidnightBrewer (97195) | about a year ago | (#45389899)

Apple develops many things that never go to market. Inside sources usually give up this information for a chance at being important.

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