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Apple Blocks Lawrence Lessig's Comment On iOS 7 Wi-Fi Glitch

timothy posted 1 year,2 days | from the greater-good dept.

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destinyland writes "A glitch in iOS7 has cost "a significant number" of Apple users their Wi-Fi access, according to ZDNet. But they also report that Apple is now censoring posts in their "Apple Support Communities" forums where users suggest possible responses to their loss of WiFi capabilities (including exercising their product warranty en masse). "We understand the desire to share experiences in your topic, 'Re: wifi greyed out after update to ios7,'" read one warning sent to Lawrence Lessig, "but because these posts are not allowed on our forums, we have removed it." Lessig — who co-founded Creative Commons (and was a board member of the Free Software Foundation) has been documenting the ongoing "comments slaughter" on his Twitter feed, drawing attention to what he says is the Borg-like behavior of Apple as a corporation. Lessig "is now part of an angry mob in Apple's forums who upgraded to iOS 7 and lost Wi-Fi connectivity," ZDNet notes, adding that as of this morning their reporter has been unable to obtain an official response from Apple."

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Another day, another anti-Apple story (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45269705)

Don't you Slashdorks get bored of this?

Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45269733)

You must be new here; most of the time the news slams Microsoft and praises Apple.

IOS7 iz da SUK (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45269953)

IOS7 == Win8 == UNITY == BARF

Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45269959)

You haven't been here in a few years, have you?

Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (0)

iamhassi (659463) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270099)

You must be new here, /. has been anti apple since Android came out years ago

Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270213)

Portions of the Slashdot community have been anti-Apple since the "hacker proof" sealed box Macintosh came out in 1984.

Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270471)

I like Apple. What I can't stand is their users. Every system have design flaws, Apples have plenty of them but for some reason the RDF is too strong.

Seriously, just look at their USB power adapter. Who the fuck designs a switched regulator and places the switch diode on another PCB than the transformer? Also, folding back the low voltage part over the buffer capacitor doesn't seem like the brightest thing to do.

Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (1)

jythie (914043) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270537)

All depends on your bias. The community, including the editors, are diverse enough that the techie culture wars play out in what stories get run and what spins are put on them by OPs.

Though at the moment, hating Microsoft is passe, while all the cool kids hate Apple.

Re:Another day, another anti-Apple story (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45269761)

Fortunately I can't read it, becuase my iPhone lost wi-fi access.

Re:Another day, another anti-Apple story (5, Informative)

Antipater (2053064) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269763)

I don't care about Apple one way or the other. But stories like this keep me informed that I should continue hitting "Not Now" when my iPad bugs me to upgrade to iOS7, and that matters to me. So no, not bored.

Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (1)

iamhassi (659463) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270117)

Over-react much? I have iOS 7 on an iPad, no problems with wifi. Also run a 15,000 member apple community and haven't heard any wifi complaints. I think this "angry mob" is just a angry man. Apple has no reason to censor anything, there's lots of complaints on the forums already

Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (5, Interesting)

smooth wombat (796938) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270385)

Apple has no reason to censor anything,

If Apple has no reason to censor, then why are the comments disappearing from the forum? If people are legitimately experiencing wi-fi connection issues, shouldn't others be aware of it and Apple take the appropriate action?

Or is Apple following the path of Nikon which refused to acknowledge the oil-on-the-censor issue on some non-insignificant portion of their D600 camera, then less than a year later released the D610 which miraculously doesn't have the issue but which is the exact same camera? Is that possibly why Apple just pushed out the 7.3 update?

However, if people are having issue with wi-fi, how are they supposed to get the update since updating requires a wi-fi connection?

Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270581)

If Apple has no reason to censor, then why are the comments disappearing from the forum? If people are legitimately experiencing wi-fi connection issues, shouldn't others be aware of it and Apple take the appropriate action?

Exactly. As you just said, Apple has no reason to censor posts in their forums, and thus they aren't. Clearly, in the hysteria that quite reasonably surrounds any Apple product release, these people must have simply forgotten that they never made such blasphemous and hurtful posts against Apple, and are clearly just mistaken about ever having posted anything at all.

Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (1)

Kremmy (793693) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270395)

You're not going to hear those complaints because they don't have WiFi.

Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270513)

".. Also run a 15,000 member apple community."

sure you do.

Re:Another day, another anti-Apple story (1)

Cimexus (1355033) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270461)

I wouldn't worry too much - the chances of this affecting you are minimal. I've upgraded 6 different devices to iOS 7 over the last month (I waited until the 7.0.2 fix for the lock screen/security issues though) and haven't had any problems...this is the first I've heard of any WiFi complaints (and I read quite a lot of Apple stories).

Re:Another day, another anti-Apple story (1)

Andrio (2580551) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270329)

No one invited you here, Mr. Cook.

Re:Another day, another anti-Apple story (1, Interesting)

wjcofkc (964165) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270501)

Personally, I as someone who overall likes Apple as a company, doesn't own anything but a Mac, but has had the chance to use their mobile products and do like them, I will first say I believe that the Slashdot crowd generally gives Apple a fair shake. Granted, this is not always flattering, but it is typically correct non-the-less.

Second, Apple stories garner among the highest number of comments and therefore user interaction and ad views. Based on this it is clear that the Slashdot crowd likes discussing Apple related stories, which works out well for Slashdot since it (presumanbly) generates ad revenue. That is what is known as a 'win win'.

Hmm (2, Insightful)

war4peace (1628283) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269727)

Walled garden is walled.
What did you expect?

(EVE Online oblig: Damage Control II works in PvP!!11one)

Re:Hmm (0)

h3st (945000) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269821)

and he knows it:

I upgraded my iPhone (“what, you have an iPhone” — ok, you win, sin #1)

Re:Hmm (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270091)

For him, it ought to be sin #1 through infinity. It's almost as bad as if RMS switched to Windows or something.

Re:Hmm (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45269981)

I remember when, i think it was osx.4ish, some macs wouldn't join a wpa network unless the key was a certain side or subselection of letter-numbers. something wierd like that.

apply pretended it wasn't true, removed all the comments in thier forums asking how to fix it or if a patch was coming.

that went on for like a year. they never acknowleged a problem.

Re:Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270029)

Apple Support Forums have been 'groomed' for many years before iOS.

Re:Hmm (1)

Dunbal (464142) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270139)

Now lights out.

Pretty common support forums policies (4, Interesting)

Sockatume (732728) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269745)

Apple is really strict about not letting people give out certain kinds of technical advice or speculation on their support forums, on the not-unreasonable basis that things posted there have Apple's tacit approval. When I hung out on Nokia's support boards it was similar.

Re:Pretty common support forums policies (4, Insightful)

Sockatume (732728) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269765)

...on the other hand, the Warranty information page would seem to be exactly the sort of thing Apple should not be deleting.

Re:Pretty common support forums policies (4, Interesting)

crmarvin42 (652893) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269973)

Are you sure that is what they were objecting to? Honest question, BTW.

I've been having wifi issues since upgrading to iOS7, but only intermitently. I could not connect to wifi at all for the first 2 days, but now it connects most of the time. About once a week I have to power the phone off and on to get wifi working again. I saw a thread on the discussion pages during my first 2 day outage (maybe the same one, maybe not) that was telling everyone your wifi chip had physically been damaged by the update and to go to the Applestore for a new phone. Presumably my wifi chip hasn't been physically damaged because it works the vast majority of the time, and if they are telling everyone something that is demonstrably false (in Apple's opinion anyway), the I could see why Apple might intervene.

Re:Pretty common support forums policies (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270097)

I could not connect to wifi at all for the first 2 days, but now it connects most of the time.

The vacuum tubes Apple uses for their wifi radios are known to take a while to warm up. You should have fewer (or no) problems from now on.

.

Re:Pretty common support forums policies (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270533)

Are you sure that is what they were objecting to? Honest question, BTW.

No. That is the thing with that kind of censored forums.
Apple could remove the post and claim that it was removed because it broke their forum rules against racism and child pornography. Without the original comment left intact there is no way for anyone else to know if the comment just contained legal advice for scammed users.

Re:Pretty common support forums policies (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270555)

This. What did Lessig actually say in his post? If it was part of a thread saying that the software update had physically damaged the hardware, I can see why Apple would delete a thread full of erroneous advice or outright misinformation.

It looks like he reposted another user's comment that encouraged users to take their phones back to their place of purchase and demand a new iPhone in exchange. It also looks like most people with this wifi glitch are suffering from incomplete installations of iOS7 that can be remedied simply by backing up the iPhone, restoring the iPhone software from a clean image (i.e. "factory reset"), and then restoring the backup data to the phone. My guess is that Apple would rather people do the latter, which actually solves a software issue, than the former, which is wasteful not only in terms of iPhone hardware but time, since it's faster to restore phone than return it to a store and deal with clerks.

Re:Pretty common support forums policies (3, Insightful)

Sarten-X (1102295) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270031)

User error? Use the warranty!

Software bug? Use the warranty!

Scratched display? Use the warranty!

Just don't like it any more? Use the warranty!

If you have any problem whatsoever, use the warranty! Now you have two problems.

Honestly, I just can't get worked up about this justified censorship. Until Apple releases some kind of official solution (which might very well be "send it in for repair"), giving out wrong solutions just increases the amount of trouble involved. Having managed a help desk before, I've seen how often we had to waste time undoing users' community-given fixes for problems, like adding RAM to remove a virus (thanks, Geek Squad!). By resorting to the warranty's options, Apple's operational cost rises, and the user still doesn't have wi-fi on their phone.

Re: Pretty common support forums policies (1)

iamhassi (659463) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270149)

Agreed. Mod parent up

Re:Pretty common support forums policies (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270281)

So instead people will take to google and insert whatever random wifi fix comes along rather than peer support that apple could at least moderate... brilliant.

Re:Pretty common support forums policies (4, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270403)

By resorting to the warranty's options, Apple's operational cost rises, and the user still doesn't have wi-fi on their phone.

If I'd spent the best part of $1,000 on a phone and the wi-fi stopped wroking, the last thing I'd care about is the manufacturer's operational costs.

Perhaps if enough people send their phones back, they might not release an operating system that breaks peoples' phones next time.

Re:Pretty common support forums policies (1, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270545)

punish the vendor so that the vendor hurts.

pain is a GREAT motivator.

its a valid way to 'fix' a problem. if that's what it takes to get apple to improve their quality, so be it.

Re:Pretty common support forums policies (0)

kommakazi (610098) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270527)

This. Mod parent up.

Re:Pretty common support forums policies (2)

jythie (914043) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270583)

From what I gather it was not the Warranty page, but information about how local laws could be used for a refund. While it is something consumers should know (unless it is a shady use of the law, I do not know the details), I can not blame Apple for not wanting to spread such information in their own forum.

Re:Pretty common support forums policies (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270065)

Much like Tienanmen Square, Apple keeps a tight ship.

Re:Pretty common support forums policies (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270515)

users posting on a support forum are NOT speaking for apple!

censorship is censorship, that's all there is to be said about this.

Well the thing is (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45269759)

The first post has been removed by Apple

How is that Lawrence Lessig uses IOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45269769)

Inquiring minds want to know.

Re:How is that Lawrence Lessig uses IOS? (5, Funny)

i kan reed (749298) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269837)

Like most people, he uses it via touch screen.

Re:How is that Lawrence Lessig uses IOS? (1)

jalopezp (2622345) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270093)

Today he revealed he had been using Keynote for presentations. It feels to me like he is pandering do a different public now.

My Update Didn't Cause Me Troubles (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45269773)

I just upgraded my iPhone 4S from iOS 6 to 7, and I haven't experienced any issues with my WLAN connections. I am sure that this whole posting is about the comment censorship, but this doesn't highlight which Apple products are supposedly being disrupted.

Wow, censorship! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45269777)

Kind of like coming around here and commenting anything at all that reflects poorly on the chocolate Jesus or the extremist socialist Democrat party.

Feh.

Apple forums are a wholesome place (5, Funny)

QuietLagoon (813062) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269787)

The Apple forums are not the place to criticize Apple or its products.

.
I, for one, applaud Apple's efforts to keep the Apple support forums all singing praises for Apple and its products. When I visit those forums, I do not want to see critique of Apple and its products. I want my visit to be positive and cheerful.

I am so happy that Apple is providing such a wholesome environment for me to visit and discuss Apple's products.

Re:Apple forums are a wholesome place (1)

war4peace (1628283) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269857)

^Funny

Re:Apple forums are a wholesome place (0)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269865)

What colour is the Kool-Aid?

Re:Apple forums are a wholesome place (4, Funny)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269891)

It used to be grey. Now it's all sorts of bright happy colours.

Re:Apple forums are a wholesome place (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269979)

Here is the history of Apple, inc. in colours: beige, fruit colours, white, silver/black/grey, neon colours.

Re:Apple forums are a wholesome place (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45269949)

"I, for one, applaud Apple's efforts to keep the Apple support forums all singing praises for Apple and its products. When I visit those forums, I do not want to see critique of Apple and its products. I want my visit to be positive and cheerful."

You are, in other words, Apple's prime demographic: a flaming homosexual who looks to Apple forums not for information per se, but as an opportunity to symbolically suck the dicks of other men.

Re:Apple forums are a wholesome place (1)

jalopezp (2622345) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270183)

Don't know if being homophobic or going along with the joke.

Re:Apple forums are a wholesome place (1)

jythie (914043) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270607)

I am guessing the former. It does not really go along with the joke very well.

Re: Apple forums are a wholesome place (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270199)

And you are Android's prime market: a racist homophobe that hates everyone that is different from you. Congrats!

Re:Apple forums are a wholesome place (1)

Chris Katko (2923353) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270111)

I was going to write a cheerful praise of Apple on their forums... but I just upgraded and it was greyed out.

How about iWork? (1)

FellowConspirator (882908) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269829)

It's funny that they'd censor the iOS7 forums given the nasty language bandied about in the iWork forums about the evisceration of the office suite. I suppose that they don't care about iWork (it certainly shows).

Re: How about iWork? (1, Insightful)

iamhassi (659463) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270229)

That's why I find this whole story suspicious, because there's plenty of bashing of apple products going on on the forums. Why they would censor complaints of only this issue seems strange and highly unlikely

Pardon me, but... (1, Troll)

aaaaaaargh! (1150173) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269873)

If you buy an iPhone, you have already given up most of your freedoms (regarding your phone), so what's the point bitching about it afterwards.

Please mod this "+1 Insightful Troll" -- oh wait, this category doesn't exist. :O

Re:Pardon me, but... (5, Informative)

smooth wombat (796938) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270041)

Have to agree. We're deploying iPhones to replace Blackberries and the number of hoops I had to jump through just to create Appled ID accounts for corporate use was mindnumbing. Not to mention the constant pestering with every update.

Yes, Enable Location Services. No, don't use iCloud. No, I don't want to answer security questions. I told you this when I set up the phone the first time, and every time I've updated. Why do you keep asking me?

Not to mention the joke with ID accounts themselves. You set one up then, when you go to load your first app, you're told you have to review/update your information so you can sign into iTunes! WTF?! I don't want to sign into iTunes. I want to install a free, non-Apple app.

There is no way I can recommend an iPhone to anyone. Sure, they look cool and work (mostly), but the nagging and Big Brother nonsense just doesn't make them worth the effort.

Re:Pardon me, but... (2)

Krojack (575051) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270177)

There is no way I can recommend an iPhone to anyone. Sure, they look cool and work (mostly), but the nagging and Big Brother nonsense just doesn't make them worth the effort.

Exactly why I won't ever buy another one or recommend them. You hand over lots of $$, they hand you a device and say, "Have fun with 'our' device and remember, you can only do what we allow you do with it. If we don't approve of it then you can't do it."

In other words, you never own the device. Apple isn't big brother, Apple is mommy and daddy that have your, er I mean their device locked down.

You must be unregulated. That's rare any more. (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270283)

We're deploying iPhones to replace Blackberries

We looked into this, but couldn't find a way to officially issue iPhones without running afoul of HIPAA/HITECH, GLB, SOX, and FDA regs on security and privacy.

The stock iPhone and Android offerings aren't much better than Blackberries without BES. In the USA, you can't store privileged information on some random other company's servers unless you have a contract with the hosting company that transfers your legal responsibilities, and no telco (or Google, or Apple) is going to take on our legal obligations given the extremely harsh penalties for failure. With a BES server that's no big deal, since you have your own mail storage, etc.

We can issue androids with tuned software that don't let the end-users screw up, but if users want iPhones they have to buy their own and sign a document that says they take personal responsibility for managing any legally privileged information that they can access through their position with the company.

Everybody's happy now. The people who want the company to do the right thing legally, the Apple junkies who have their shiny, the users who have company androids, it's all good. The Apple users grumble about cost but they understand they could have had free androids so the grumbling's just for show.

Re:Pardon me, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270419)

Somehow I don't believe you. Anyone who's ever had to administer a BES server will feverishly tap on an iphone all day in desperate hope that they'll never have to hear the word "blackberry" again. The day iOS supported activesync was the day that BB started to fall.

You could also, you know, actually investigate the enterprise features in iOS7 http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/it/management.html
The enterprise management API is open and there are already several management solutions available from different vendors.

Re:Pardon me, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270459)

At this point is it Blackberries or Dingleberries?

Re:Pardon me, but... (1)

kommakazi (610098) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270561)

Yes just ignore the security questions, then when you lose access to the AppleID it's naturally Apple's fault you didn't set up those questions.

Re:Pardon me, but... (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270579)

I dislike android (its a POS given how big google is and how 'powerful' that company claims to be, genius-wise) but I refuse to buy an iphone since it will probably annoy me even more.

I wish we had a 3rd choice. today, its either android or iphone and both of them fall way short of what I think a pocket computer SHOULD be.

Re:Pardon me, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270193)

This is absolutely true, and even more for Lessig. I'm sorry, man, you got what you paid for.

Re:Pardon me, but... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270239)

How is Android is better? Oh, you can customize the lock screen. Wow. You can do that all the zippity-doo-dah-day.... and call that work. Meanwhile, Goople is busy harvesting your personal data.

Re:Pardon me, but... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270313)

The problem is that the alternative is Android, which is arguably worse.

About a year ago I changed from an iPhone 3 to a Galaxy Nexus. The iPhone 3 did everything I wanted it to, including storing Contacts. The Nexus would not allow me to save Contacts on the phone without signing in to a Google Account. I didn't then, and still don't, understand why a phone that had 8Gb of internal storage wouldn't allow me to store contacts on it. After spending a few hours trying to work around this restriction (including starting to setup my own "cloud"), I went back to an iPhone 4.

As much as I dislike the hoops I have to jump through to use an Apple device, they suck (and I distrust them) less than Google.

This comment has been deleted. (5, Funny)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269879)

ZDNet notes, adding that as of this morning their reporter has been unable to obtain an official response from Apple.

Maybe their wi-fi doesn't work.

I wonder if a DFU restore might fix... (3, Informative)

mlts (1038732) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269917)

I've read about glitches when one does an update, so I wonder if the Wi-Fi problem would go away if someone backed up their device (would have to be dumped to a computer with iTunes), did an erase all, then followed it up by a DFU restore. This method pretty much ensures that all data stored on the device is erased. Then the device can be restored, apps/music reinstalled, and things back to normal.

This also stems from a general IT lesson I learned. If possible, when it comes to OS upgrading time with major number versions [1], one is best off rebuilding a server from scratch than updating it, due to cruft left behind from the previous OS, and other inconsistencies which might cause issues later on. Sometimes this isn't possible, other times, it is easily done.

[1]: The cautious exception are RPM based Linux distros which are really just stacks of filesets snapshotted and regression tested at a certain point in time. Those, I can just increment the version number, run yum upgrade, and be done with it, since it is more of a large update than a major version upgrade. Even with these, it doesn't hurt to install from scratch since it seems that RPM databases tend to get corrupted over time.

Re:I wonder if a DFU restore might fix... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270095)

There's very little on the glitch; an article anyone?

captcha: civil

Freedom of the press (4, Insightful)

Crashmarik (635988) | 1 year,2 days | (#45269971)

Applies to the guy who owns the press.

Apples behavior is pretty much expected, I doubt few if any companies would ever let people use their resources to organize action against them. It seems Lessig is going a little over the top in his reaction to this. It can hardly come as a shock to him.

Re:Freedom of the press (1)

n1ywb (555767) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270307)

A predictable outcome does not necessarily lessen the importance of the effort. You can see this kind of thing coming from a mile away but I'm still glad Lessig is doing it.

Dear Mr Lessing, (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45269985)

are you seriously braindead to buy Apple products with your world view AND think it will work differently?

I remember the days... (1, Insightful)

MikeDataLink (536925) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270005)

When every story on slashdot was "Microsoft sucks" and every comment was "If only Apple could get enough momentum to crush Microsoft."

Oh how the times have changed... different companies, same bitches. You people are never happy. LOL.

I, for one, welcome my new Apple Overlords.

Those Imaginary Days (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270191)

When every story on slashdot was "Microsoft sucks" and every comment was "If only Apple could get enough momentum to crush Microsoft."

What days you are referring to? Microsoft still produces second quality software to the competition, but is a monopoly. Something they still are in the Legacy Desktop Software. Everybody was aware that Apple were/is going nowhere. There model simply does not allow it. They bundle their OS with commodity hardware and double the price...make lots of money, "crush"(sic) not so much.

Most here have lamented the dull duopoly(I still do). Which hasn't changed. The fact that Apple is now an electronics company is proof of the fact.

Re:Those Imaginary Days (2)

Xest (935314) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270565)

"What days you are referring to? Microsoft still produces second quality software to the competition, but is a monopoly."

Do they really though? The security arguments over Windows have been pretty much dead since Windows 7, and stability arguments dead going back to Windows 2000.

Their office suite is still better than anything else, and their database server is at the higher end of the offerings available. Their dev tools are excellent.

There is some shit they produce but Microsoft software is much better than it used to be, especially Windows itself. Windows Server is even a feasible option for hosting public internet facing servers now.

Microsoft is far, far from perfect and their attempts in the tablet and phone world have been laughable, but much of their software is still at least as good, if not better than the competition.

So when you say their software is second rate compared to the competition what competition are you referring to? are you implying all their software is second rate? If so then who provides, say, a better office suite? I know Bing isn't really as great as Google and so forth either but I don't think Microsoft is universally worse. The vast majority of the flack they used to get was about their OS being unstable and insecure, and it was, but now it's not so something has certainly changed, even if they still have a lot to do.

Re:I remember the days... (1)

Dunbal (464142) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270205)

Oh how the times have changed... different companies, same bitches. You people are never happy. LOL.

Because although companies may change, the humans that run them are exactly the same. Call me when human nature changes.

Re:I remember the days... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270559)

I don't remember those days at all. Slashdot was always more focused on Linux and BSD. Because back then, your options were Windows 98, Mac OS 7, or *nix.

Yes, Apple deletes posts from their forums (2)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270043)

Especially if you write that everyone should return their phones.

Use another forum to get your word out Lessig. You know how this game is played.

Re:Yes, Apple deletes posts from their forums (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270171)

Especially if you write that everyone should return their phones.

Use another forum to get your word out Lessig. You know how this game is played.

But if he did that, he would have one less thing to bitch about on his own blog, thus losing out on precious, tasty clickbait. Come on, YesIAmAScript. You know how this game is played.

Re:Yes, Apple deletes posts from their forums (2)

sqlrob (173498) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270287)

If only some major tech site would get the word out. Any you can suggest?

Who cares if the WiFi doesn't work? (-1, Flamebait)

BenSchuarmer (922752) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270047)

all that matters is that I look cool when I hold it.

Cool is elsewhere (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270089)

all that matters is that I look cool when I hold it.

I think Samsung took all the cool. Although the wind of coolness is definitely with LG right now.

Re:Cool is elsewhere (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270295)

I think Samsung took all the cool. Although the wind of coolness is definitely with LG right now.

Samsung cool? Just don't look too close. Starting with a CEO who is a convicted criminal (yes, he was pardoned because he was _so_ important for his country), multiple convictions for price fixing, getting confidential information about competitors from their lawyers, threatened with a multi-billion fine for anti-competitive behaviour in the EU, they are absolutely cool.

And when they have nobody to copy, they create really cool products like their "gear" watch.

Re:Cool is elsewhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270441)

It's called gear because it's a nontrivial part of the process of being transformed into a tool..

Jobs would never have let that out the door... (-1)

Fallen Kell (165468) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270113)

I'm pretty serious with that statement. Steve Jobs would have never let that update out without testing it on every device model. He also would have probably quashed the problems within a couple days by releasing an official statement with an official "fix" to at least rollback the device to an older version (i.e. would have removed the version control checks from the updater). And then the majority of the angry mob would have calmed down since they have a working phone again, and given them time to fix the real problem in the new version.

Re:Jobs would never have let that out the door... (1)

Doug Otto (2821601) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270197)

I've been in the Apple developer program since it started. "Rolling back to an older version" has never been supported so I believe the notion that "Steve would've done it that way" is a bit far fetched.

Re:Jobs would never have let that out the door... (2)

Fredde87 (946371) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270211)

Last time I checked it is still possible to downgrade to iOS 6... They have not blacklisted those upgrades yet so if you download the ipsw file you should be able to downgrade it until a fix is available...

The Fix is Simple (1)

segedunum (883035) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270167)

Buy a new iPhone........

after lightning bold I quit (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270173)

I wanted to like apple, but after 3 broken cables, not being able to use better cables from Belkin but not apple licensed, I give up. iOS7 made my hotspot useless and 80 percent not being able to connect to it, battery life went to charging three times daily. No thanks.

gF1rst (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270195)

So much anger and action (1)

future assassin (639396) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270241)

at broken shiny things I wodner if they would do the same against NSA supplied iphones.

my 2 cents for Lessig (4, Funny)

mugurel (1424497) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270271)

Check with Apple if you're holding your iPhone correctly.

Problem not unique to Apple... (1)

zarmanto (884704) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270279)

Disclosure: I am an Apple fan -- but I absolutely will not defend the practice of purging negative comments from community forums. I think censorship is probably the single most frustrating experience anyone can have in a forum, warranted or not. I speak from experience: I've been censored recently as well -- in an entirely different forum, and for reasons which seemed entirely unreasonable to me. Ironically, I had made the egregious error of trying to help.

In responding to a thread about a bug, I described one software development methodology (scrum, if that matters) to a crowd of discontent gamers in the Steam forum. I then painstakingly crafted a reasoned explanation for why that process necessitates that this particular bug in an older game (Half-Life: Opposing Force, which had been recently ported to both Linux and Mac) simply won't be fixed anytime soon, because the Steam developers are almost certainly entirely wrapped up in the development of Half Life 3. I then went on to speculate (and I suspect this is where I went wrong) that as soon as we see a fix to that bug, we should all be on the lookout for the impending release of HL3. A short time later, that entire thread had suddenly vanished from the Steam forum, with no explanation.

And the problem crops up elsewhere as well; forum admins are frequently overzealous, especially when they see something that they view as a potential slight to their corporate overlords. It's a very unfortunate trend, and as I see it, the only way to avoid being unreasonably censored is to post your comments elsewhere, where -- hopefully -- unbiased management will leave your commentary on controversial matters intact. (Slashdot might qualify as such a haven... I know I haven't been censored here. Yet.)

You think Larry would know better! (1)

madhi19 (1972884) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270359)

Come on Mr Lessig with your pedigree I would have peg you as an Android user likely somebody running a custom rom at least.

But Android is forked and fragmented! (1)

erroneus (253617) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270421)

At times like this, I am reminded that the alternative to fragmentation and forking and all manner of inconsistencies is monoculture. When monoculture works, it works nicely and that's all that most people have in mind when they strive for it. But the other side of that coin? What affects one, generally affects them all.

iOS7 and wifi (1)

Cordus Mortain (3004429) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270517)

I've noticed my iPhone switches to 3G when I'm at home, which it never used to do. If I'm in the same room as the AP then it rarely does it, but otherwise it's a bit hit and miss. Thankfully I get a reasonable 3G signal where I live, and I have a pretty good data plan so I've not seen a huge impact. But I am looking forward to Apple fixing this.

Violation of Policy (1)

meerling (1487879) | 1 year,2 days | (#45270535)

Posters are not allowed to attempt to compromise the lingering Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field, Apple is perfect, and perceived issues are figments of your imagination. Please remit all your money to Apple and thank us for the privilege to partake in our excellence. Thank you. :p

Apple has time to delete posts but not answer them (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#45270605)

I find it annoying apple has time to delete posts like this but almost never actually help people in their support forums. When I bought a new Mac Mini last year, there was a known issue with their shitty HDMI adapter included with the device and Ivy Bridge chip in the unit. Apple did eventually fix it, but their support people denied it's existence while the forms were full of complaints. If they guy would have said "it's a problem and we're working on it" I would have been a happy guy. Instead, I got some bullshit about reinstalling OS X on a brand new computer I had for 2 hours.

I've had wifi problems with Apple TV on and off for years and apple never fixes it. It's no shock their weird in kernel DHCP would freak out right? Apple probably did some new speed hack in iOS 7 and broke that too.

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