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Apple: 75% of Our World Wide Power Needs Now Come From Renewable Power Sources

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the it-keeps-on-going dept.

Earth 262

skade88 writes "Apple now owns and runs enough renewable energy power plants that 75% of their world wide power needs come from renewable sources such as wind, solar, geothermal and hydro. From the Apple Blog Post: 'Our investments are paying off. We've already achieved 100 percent renewable energy at all of our data centers, at our facilities in Austin, Elk Grove, Cork, and Munich, and at our Infinite Loop campus in Cupertino. And for all of Apple's corporate facilities worldwide, we're at 75 percent, and we expect that number to grow as the amount of renewable energy available to us increases. We won't stop working until we achieve 100 percent throughout Apple.'"

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And by Renewable Power Sources (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245075)

We mean human souls... Muahahahaha

Re:And by Renewable Power Sources (2)

hackula (2596247) | about 2 years ago | (#43245213)

hmm.. how can we spin this one... Apple Computers: Soul Powered

Re:And by Renewable Power Sources (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245777)

I can dig it! /Soul powered

Re:And by Renewable Power Sources (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245287)

(And by human souls, we mean sweaty human souls.)

Re:And by Renewable Power Sources (3, Funny)

erroneus (253617) | about 2 years ago | (#43245339)

I was thinking along similar lines:

"Is child labor considered renewable energy?"

I appreciate the energy conscious choices being made. I appreciate the leadership value in it. There are lots of ways they can clean up their image and in my opinion, they aren't addressing the more serious concerns. All they are doing is better ensuring that when people come charging their offices with torches and pitchforks in hand, they will be able to stay in their buildings for a bit longer.

Re:And by Renewable Power Sources (4, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 2 years ago | (#43245363)

"Is child labor considered renewable energy?"

Clean, safe, and too cheap to meter.

Re:And by Renewable Power Sources (4, Insightful)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 years ago | (#43245643)

There are lots of ways they can clean up their image and in my opinion, they aren't addressing the more serious concerns.

Opposing child labour and sweatshops, and being green are pretty serious concerns in my book. All of them certainly far more serious than how much they are in tune with the demands of the OSS community.

Re:And by Renewable Power Sources (3, Insightful)

Dishevel (1105119) | about 2 years ago | (#43245977)

You do realize that in the countries where child labor is practiced that the children NEED the work.
I understand that it means that the country itself is in a bad way and that country needs to serve its people better.
I also get that the thought of child labor to us is repugnant. What we need to keep in mind though is that if we could immediately stop all child labor tomorrow ...
Many people would die as a result.

Re:And by Renewable Power Sources (1)

Massacrifice (249974) | about 2 years ago | (#43246059)

Isn't that what "LIVE FREE OR DIE" is about? We keep them as oversea slaves to fullfil our material desires, trampling our own principles of human integrity. A though choice, yes, but possibly one that would pay off in the long term.

Re:And by Renewable Power Sources (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43246063)

Obviously it doesn't seem to be too repugnant to you as you are rationalizing it. Way to fail there. Good job.

Re:And by Renewable Power Sources (4, Insightful)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 years ago | (#43246115)

You do realize that in the countries where child labor is practiced that the children NEED the work.

It's a subtle point that Apple is aware of. Whilst of course they can't change the fortunes of a nation, on those occasions when they have found a subcontractor that has broken the rules, and employed underage workers, it's a condition of remaining a subcontractor that they continue to pay the family the wage even though the child is no longer working PLUS finance the child to go to school.

It's a good move. It's a disincentive for a subcontractor to risk it, as well as making sure that Apple's intervention doesn't make life worse for the kid or his/her family.

Re:And by Renewable Power Sources (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 2 years ago | (#43246075)

You miss the fact that they both are supposed to have the same ideological underpinnings. Their 'concerns' are just negligible marketing expense to make you feel better about the shiny jails they sell.

Re:And by Renewable Power Sources (4, Insightful)

Goaway (82658) | about 2 years ago | (#43245717)

"More serious concerns", like your previously addressed child labor?

News flash: Apple is pretty much the only tech company that is actually addressing that concern. Apple actually investigates their manufacturers and drop them if they use child labor. Other tech companies by and large don't.

Re:And by Renewable Power Sources (-1, Troll)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 2 years ago | (#43246037)

Now, now, apple fanboi, don't get your panties in a bunch. The real question is: Did apple concern themselves with child labour BEFORE it started to tarnish their shiny image?

Re:And by Renewable Power Sources (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245915)

Fuck Apple.

Re:And by Renewable Power Sources- But really.. (1, Interesting)

pablo_max (626328) | about 2 years ago | (#43246117)

Really though, what do they mean? I did not see where they define what they consider renewable.
After all, coal and oil are also renewable, given enough time.

What about... (-1, Troll)

SGDarkKnight (253157) | about 2 years ago | (#43245083)

the child slave labour you have china enforce whenever you release a new product, until your production demands are met? Let me know when you stop doing that shit.

Re:What about... (2, Funny)

raburton (1281780) | about 2 years ago | (#43245095)


Re:What about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245281)

he was only off by five minutes, cut him a break!

Re:What about... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245149)

That's what they mean by "renewable energy source".

Re:What about... (4, Funny)

OakDragon (885217) | about 2 years ago | (#43245679)

"Twenty percent comes from the energy generated by the white-hot hatred of Slashdot users!"

Re:What about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245193)

What about the power used to run their stores? Those malls certainly don't use renewable energy. And what about the brain cells in their 'geniuses'? Surely they are consumed by the customers? Brains are not renewable. I am living proof.

Re:What about... (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 2 years ago | (#43245385)

Brains are not renewable. I am living proof.

They are if you spend a little more time exposed to the sun.

Re:What about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245413)

Perhaps the stores are part of the 25% that doesn't use renewable energy. Just a wild guess

Re:What about... (1)

jeffmeden (135043) | about 2 years ago | (#43245911)

The other thing is that "using" renewable energy is possible on the normal grid by purchasing renewable energy through the utility. As long as you know the store's consumption, you pay the utility that delivers it for the rate they have to purchase/generate it at. This is the same way "competitive" energy markets in the US work, the electricity enters the grid from a mix of where the customers want it. Just because you didn't get the electrons that were pushed by a windmill doesn't mean you aren't using a renewable resource.

Re:What about... (3, Insightful)

Goaway (82658) | about 2 years ago | (#43245729)

You mean the child slave labour that Apple actually works hard to not use, unlike every other tech company?

My HOSTS file generates enough power for my house (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245089)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.



That was amazing. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948073 [slashdot.org]


My, God! It's beatiful. Keep it up, you glorious bastard. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41835161 [slashdot.org]


Let us bask in its glory. A true modern The Wasteland. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948579 [slashdot.org]


put your baby IN ME -- I just read this whole thing. Fuck mod points, WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY MONEY?!!! - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40950023 [slashdot.org]


Oh shit, Time Cube Guy's into computers now... - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946259 [slashdot.org]


He's done more to discredit the use of HOSTS files than anyone in the "do it right and set up a firewall" crowd ever could. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]


Can I have some of what you're on? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40947587 [slashdot.org]


this obnoxious fucknuts [apk] has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954565 [slashdot.org]


oh come on.. this is hilarious. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40955479 [slashdot.org]


I agree I am intrigued by these host files how do I sign up for your newsletter? - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40961339 [slashdot.org]


Gimme the program that generates this epic message. I'll buy 5 of your product if you do... - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40954251 [slashdot.org]


As mentioned by another AC up there, the troll in question is actually a pretty well-executed mashup of APK's style - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]


It's actually a very clever parody of APK - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40944229 [slashdot.org]


Please keep us updated on your AI research, you seem quite good at it. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40944603 [slashdot.org]


$20,000 to anyone providing proof of Alexander Peter Kowalski's death. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958289 [slashdot.org]


Obviously, it must be Alexander Peter Kowalski. He's miffed at all these imposters... - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958429 [slashdot.org]


And here I was thinking I was having a bad experience with a Dr. Bronner's bottle. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952247 [slashdot.org]


Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954673 [slashdot.org]


I think it's the Internet, about to become sentient. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40956187 [slashdot.org]


Does anyone know if OpenGL has been ported to Windows yet? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042199&cid=40956781 [slashdot.org]


golfclap - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40900827 [slashdot.org]


The Truth! wants to be Known! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897389 [slashdot.org]


DNS cube? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897493 [slashdot.org]


KUDOS valiant AC. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897777 [slashdot.org]


Polyploid lovechild of APK, MyCleanPC, and Time Cube --> fail counter integer overflow --> maximum win! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40899171 [slashdot.org]


You made my day, thanks! - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029589&cid=40896469 [slashdot.org]


Wow. The perfect mix of trolls. Timecube, mycleanpc, gnaa, apk... this is great! - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3027333&cid=40893381 [slashdot.org]


truer words were never spoken as /. trolls are struck speechless by it, lol! - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042765&cid=41041795 [slashdot.org]


It's APK himself trying to maintain the illusion that he's still relevant. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967209 [slashdot.org]


Mod this up. The back and forth multi posting between APK and this "anti-APK" certainly does look like APK talking to himself. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40969175 [slashdot.org]


APK himself would be at the top of a sensible person's ban list. He's been spamming and trolling Slashdot for years. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967137 [slashdot.org]


You got that right. I think. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3044971&cid=40972239 [slashdot.org]


Michael Kristopeit, is that you? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3045075&cid=40972377 [slashdot.org]


ROFL! :) (Now the sick bastard will follow me again) - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41429251 [slashdot.org]


I miss Dr Bob. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432027 [slashdot.org]


Not sure if actually crazy, or just pretending to be crazy. Awesome troll either way. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432951 [slashdot.org]


Awesome! Hat off to you, sir! - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41509273 [slashdot.org]


That isn't a parody of Time-cube, it is an effort to counter-troll a prolific poster named APK, who seems like a troll himself, although is way too easy to troll into wasting massive amounts of time on BS not far from the exaggerations above - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41514107 [slashdot.org]


I am intrigued and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3164403&cid=41555345 [slashdot.org]


1. You philistine, that is Art . Kudos to you, valiant troll on your glorious FP - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832599 [slashdot.org]


What? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832673 [slashdot.org]


I don't know if it is poorly-thought-out, but it is demented because it is at the same time an APK parody. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832905 [slashdot.org]


It is in fact an extremely well thought out and brilliantly executed APK parody, combined with a Time Cube parody, and with a sprinkling of the MyCleanPC spam. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41841251 [slashdot.org]


er... many people have disproved your points about hosts files with well reasoned, factual arguments. You just chose not to listen and made it into some kind of bizarre crusade. And I'm not the timecube guy, just someone else who finds you intensely obnoxious and likes winding you up to waste your time. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41843313 [slashdot.org]


performance art - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847089 [slashdot.org]


it's apk, theres no reason to care. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847097 [slashdot.org]


Seems more like an apk parody. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847661 [slashdot.org]


That's great but what about the risk of subluxations? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847101 [slashdot.org]


Oh, come on. Just stand back and look at it. It's almost art, in a Jackson Pollock sort of way. - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41868923 [slashdot.org]


Read carefully. This is a satirical post, that combines the last several years of forum trolling, rolled into one FUNNY rant! - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41864711 [slashdot.org]


I can has summary? - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41861327 [slashdot.org]


I'd have a lot more sympathy if you would log in as APK again instead of AC. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41868133 [slashdot.org]


If [apk] made an account, it would be permanently posting at -1, and he'd only be able to post with it twice a day. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41869409 [slashdot.org]


DAFUQ I just look at? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869085 [slashdot.org]


Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869353 [slashdot.org]


We all know it's you, apk. Stop pretending to antagonize yourself. - http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229179&cid=41869305 [slashdot.org]


Do you know about the shocking connection between APK and arsenic? No? Well, your innocence is about to be destroyed. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3472971&cid=42939965 [slashdot.org]


Send bug reports to 903 east division street, syracuse, ny 13208 - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3483339&cid=42972783 [slashdot.org]


Now you've made me all nostalgic for USENET. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42981977 [slashdot.org]


Google APK Hosts File Manager. He's written a fucking application to manage your hosts file. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42984521 [slashdot.org]


In case you are not aware, the post is a satire of a fellow known as APK. The grammar used is modeled after APK's as you can see here [thorschrock.com] . Or, you can just look around a bit and see some of his posts on here about the wonders of host files. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42983119 [slashdot.org]


You are surely of God of Trolls, whomever you are. I have had stupid arguments with and bitten the troll apk many times. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486901&cid=42989683 [slashdot.org]


"What kind of meds cure schizophrenic drunk rambling?" -> "Whatever APK isn't taking" - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028403 [slashdot.org] http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028425 [slashdot.org]


I'm confused, is apk trolling himself now? - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43029495 [slashdot.org]


Excellent mashup. A++. Would troll again. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3503531&cid=43037445 [slashdot.org]


Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43048291 [slashdot.org]


Best. Troll. Ever. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43044811 [slashdot.org]


I like monkeys. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43051505 [slashdot.org]


This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43052263 [slashdot.org]


lul wut? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3510265&cid=43057839 [slashdot.org]


I admire this guy's persistence. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063797 [slashdot.org]


It's a big remix of several different crackpots from Slashdot and elsewhere, plus a liberal sprinkling of famous Slashdot trolls and old memes. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063881 [slashdot.org]


Tabloid newspapers have speculated for years that APK is a prominent supporter of Monsanto. Too bad we didn't believe them sooner! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063893 [slashdot.org]


Here's a hint, check out stories like this one [slashdot.org] , where over 200 of the 247 posts are rated zero or -1 because they are either from two stupid trolls arguing endless, or quite likely one troll arguing with himself for attention. The amount of off-topic posts almost outnumber on topic ones by 4 to 1. Posts like the above are popular for trolling APK, since if you say his name three times, he appears, and will almost endlessly feed trolls. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43064383 [slashdot.org]


I love this copypasta so much. It never fails to make me smile. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3512099&cid=43069271 [slashdot.org]


^ Champion Mod parent up. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3513659&cid=43067371 [slashdot.org]


I appreciate the time cube reference, and how you tied it into the story. Well done. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3521721&cid=43094565 [slashdot.org]


The day you are silenced is the day freedom dies on Slashdot. God bless. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522191&cid=43097221 [slashdot.org]


AHahahahah thanks for that, cut-n-pasted.... Ownage! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522219&cid=43097215 [slashdot.org]


Don't hate the player, hate the game. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3526293&cid=43110679 [slashdot.org]


If you're familiar with APK, the post itself is a pretty damn funny parody. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115215 [slashdot.org]


">implying it's not apk posting it" --> "I'd seriously doubt he's capable of that level of self-deprecation..." - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115337 [slashdot.org] http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115363 [slashdot.org]


No, the other posts are linked in a parody of APK's tendency to quote himself, numbnuts. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43116855 [slashdot.org]


The thirteenth link is broken. Please fix it. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115361 [slashdot.org]


Just ban any post with "apk", "host file", or "hosts file", as that would take care of the original apk too. The original has been shitposting Slashdot much longer & more intensively than the parody guy. Or ban all Tor exit nodes, as they both use Tor to circumvent IP bans. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216431 [slashdot.org]


Sadly this is closer to on-topic than an actual APK post is. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216225 [slashdot.org]


YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MEN. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43236143 [slashdot.org]


I've butted heads with APK myself, and yeah, the guy's got issues - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569173&cid=43236987 [slashdot.org]


Can I be in your quote list? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569443&cid=43237531 [slashdot.org]


Clearly you are not an Intertubes engineer, otherwise the parent post would be more meaningful to you. Why don't YOU take your meds? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569425&cid=43238177 [slashdot.org]


+2 for style! The bolding, italicizing, and font changes are all spot-on - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43238479 [slashdot.org]


Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243509 [slashdot.org]


APK is not really a schizophrenic fired former Windows administrator with multiple personality disorder and TimeCube/Art Bell refugee. He's a fictional character like and put forward by the same person as Goatse Guy, GNAA trolls, Dr. Bob and so forth. His purpose is to test the /. CAPTCA algorithm, which is a useful purpose. If you're perturbed by having to scroll past his screeds just set your minimum point level to 1, as his posts are pretty automatically downmodded right away. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243145 [slashdot.org]


Anyone else think that sounds like Ron Paul? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43242417 [slashdot.org]



Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.

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* :)

Ac trolls' "BIG FAIL" (quoted): Eat your words!

P.S.=> That's what makes me LAUGH harder than ANYTHING ELSE on this forums (full of "FUD" spreading trolls) - When you hit trolls with facts & truths they CANNOT disprove validly on computing tech based grounds, this is the result - Applying unjustifiable downmods to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts & facts/truths they extoll!

Hahaha... lol , man: Happens nearly every single time I post such lists (proving how ineffectual these trolls are), only showing how solid my posts of that nature are...

That's the kind of martial arts I practice.

Who cares (0)

For a Free Internet (1594621) | about 2 years ago | (#43245099)

Save the whales, Apple is a buttfart company, not a comopotore company. A great source of potassium.

Does that include their manufacturing plants? (3, Insightful)

SirGarlon (845873) | about 2 years ago | (#43245105)

Does that include the Asian suppliers' and subcontractors' plants that actually manufacture all of Apple's products?

I didn't think so.

So perhaps Apple should not too their own horn [xkcd.com] very loudly on this.

Re:Does that include their manufacturing plants? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245143)

A very good point. Let us remember how far we have to go while celebrating how far we have come.

Re:Does that include their manufacturing plants? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245153)

Why the fuck would Apple include other companies?

Re:Does that include their manufacturing plants? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245227)

So you think it's OK for Apple to say they are a green company using renewable energy as long as they don't include anything that is connected with making apple products. It's clear that apple will try and add marketing fluff about being green when promoting their products and how by buying their stuff you are helping the environment, yet they will conveniently forget to mention that this does not extend to the actual manufacturing of their stuff.

Re:Does that include their manufacturing plants? (2)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 years ago | (#43245799)

What part of "And for all of Apple's corporate facilities worldwide, we're at 75 percent, and we expect that number to grow as the amount of renewable energy available to us increases. We won't stop working until we achieve 100 percent throughout Apple." did you not understand?

Re:Does that include their manufacturing plants? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245845)

Don't forget: The companies that make Apple products also make products for its competitors. Apple doesn't own the factories.

Re:Does that include their manufacturing plants? (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 2 years ago | (#43245409)

Why the fuck would Apple include other companies?

Because if they don't they can claim a zero carbon footprint just by hiring someone else to turn on the light switches.

(first goyim joke goes straight to Hell).

Re:Does that include their manufacturing plants? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245199)

Most power comes from coal.
Charcoal comes from trees (i.e. a renewable resource) and burns about the same.

Re:Does that include their manufacturing plants? (1)

smg5266 (2440940) | about 2 years ago | (#43245229)

I know this is true in minecraft, real life too though?

Re:Does that include their manufacturing plants? (0, Flamebait)

coinreturn (617535) | about 2 years ago | (#43245371)

Leave it to the haters to spin this as a negative. Get a life.

Re:Does that include their manufacturing plants? (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#43245577)

No one did that. The act of moving to more renewable power is laudable. The act of lying about it is reprehensible.

Re:Does that include their manufacturing plants? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245667)

How are they lying about it? Are they *saying* that the ENTIRE supply chain -- from the mining the materials for the capacitors to delivery into the customer's hands -- as well as the systems and Apple owns directly are at 75%. No they are not saying that. Anyone with half a brain (or at least two functioning brain cells) knows that Apple is talking about those elements Apple 100% directly controls: Apple's facilities, Apple stores, Apple networks services centers, etc.

Re:Does that include their manufacturing plants? (-1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 years ago | (#43245681)

What's a lie in the statement:

"And for all of Appleâ(TM)s corporate facilities worldwide, weâ(TM)re at 75 percent, and we expect that number to grow as the amount of renewable energy available to us increases. We wonâ(TM)t stop working until we achieve 100 percent throughout Apple."

Note there's a difference between Apple lying, and you being too stupid to understand simple English.

Re:Does that include their manufacturing plants? (4, Insightful)

coinreturn (617535) | about 2 years ago | (#43246041)

No one did that. The act of moving to more renewable power is laudable. The act of lying about it is reprehensible.

Actually just about everyone in this thread did that, and they lauded nothing. Typical of the haters who hate no matter what. There was no lie. Their power is from renewable. They are not claiming that everything in their supply chain (including the mining of rare earth metals) is from renewables.

Re:Does that include their manufacturing plants? (0)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | about 2 years ago | (#43245601)

It's not really spin, he does have a point. The manufacturing is done by outside contractors, that's where the slave labor allegations come in.

Re:Does that include their manufacturing plants? (5, Informative)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 years ago | (#43245775)

The slave labour allegations are bullshit. Ref: The lies of Mike Daisey.

Of course ANY company subcontracting manufacture to China and various other Asian countries is in danger of the subcontracting companies using child labour or sweatshops. And the majority of consumer electronics are manufactured there.

However Apple does more than any of the other companies to ensure this doesn't happen with the companies that they subcontract to.

The continued repeating of these allegations as if Apple were choosing to use child labour is the lowest form of filthy lie, from the dregs of the slashdot membership. To use a serious issue like child labour in order to further their shilling for Android or OSS is the lowest of the low.

Re:Does that include their manufacturing plants? (5, Informative)

JayWilmont (1035066) | about 2 years ago | (#43245671)

Don't blame Apple for the submitter's terrible headline. What Apple actually claims is on their website, and they have a clear breakdown of what they view their footprint to be is here:
http://www.apple.com/environment/our-footprint/ [apple.com]

(Broken down b/c nobody actually RTFA)
61% Manufacturing
5% Transportation
30% Product Use
2% Recycling
2% Facilities

So... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245107)

Green Apple then?

What about manufacturing? (1, Insightful)

chazchaz101 (871891) | about 2 years ago | (#43245133)

It seems a bit deceptive for a company selling physical goods to put out a headline like this while apparently ignoring the energy used to actually manufacture their products.

Re:What about manufacturing? (2)

gbkersey (649921) | about 2 years ago | (#43245169)

It's just a marketing.

Re:What about manufacturing? (1)

longk (2637033) | about 2 years ago | (#43245241)

Did they indeed ignore it? I was assuming manufacturing is part of their power needs. Do you have a link showing it's excluded?

Re:What about manufacturing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245279)

I'm assuming that counts as some other company... they're a design company. Most of their stuff is made by others. It's like how Google is an advertising company.

Re:What about manufacturing? (4, Informative)

_xeno_ (155264) | about 2 years ago | (#43245285)

Did they indeed ignore it? I was assuming manufacturing is part of their power needs. Do you have a link showing it's excluded?

Sure: the one from the article [apple.com] .

And for all of Appleâ(TM)s corporate facilities worldwide, weâ(TM)re at 75 percent

The 75% figure doesn't include manufacturing, or Apple stores, or energy costs used shipping iDevices from China. It only refers to "corporate facilities," whatever that means.

It's fairly clear that it doesn't include manufacturing - which is contracted out anyway, remember, so it's not like Apple owns any factories - and it doesn't include retail. And since we're only talking buildings, it clearly doesn't cover energy spent shipping from China, let alone to Apple stores.

Re:What about manufacturing? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245651)

"Corporate facilities" means the 20 some odd buildings in Cupertino (and the surrounding areas) that makes up Apple (excluding retail), as well as the the satellite facilities in Austin, Paris, and Vancouver (and smaller ones elsewhere). It also includes the data centers.

Re:What about manufacturing? (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 years ago | (#43245939)

The 75% figure doesn't include manufacturing, or Apple stores

It doesn't include most manufacturing, because that is mostly third party companies. But why would you say it doesn't include Apple Stores? Of course it does.

Re:What about manufacturing? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245351)

The link is in the summary. Apple is clearly referring only to "data centers" and "corporate facilities" as those are the only two terms used in the entire article.

The only time manufacturing is mentioned is in the sentence "When you download a song from iTunes, buy a book from the iBookstore, or install an app from the Mac App Store, there’s no physical media to manufacture, package, and transport."

If they were including the energy used in making all those iProds in their 75% figure, they would have made that point extremely obvious.

But you already knew this.

Re:What about manufacturing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245301)

I was wondering how the haters would spin this news to make Apple look bad. Well done sir, well done. Your hatred has served you well.

Re:What about manufacturing? (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 years ago | (#43245831)

Headline: "Powering our facilities with clean, renewable energy."

Strapline: "Weâ(TM)ve dramatically reduced the environmental impact of our corporate facilities and the data centers that provide online services to our customers. And we continue to invest in ways to achieve 100 percent renewable energy and lessen our carbon footprint even more."

Where's the deception? Corporate facilities and data centers. Not "factories of sub-contractors".

Point of fact (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245137)

Oil IS renewable, but takes a long time. Solar power is not renewable. Once the sun has spent its fuel there can be no more.

Re:Point of fact (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245201)

By that logic, eventually the Earth will be a dead rock, and the oil will be spent.

Re:Point of fact (5, Informative)

imikem (767509) | about 2 years ago | (#43245231)

Hopefully you're trying to be funny, and failing. All energy in this solar system except the, relatively speaking, small amounts that derive from sources such as nuclear fission of heavy elements in planetary cores, comes from the sun. If one decides that solar energy is not "renewable" based on the stellar lifetime, then fossil fuel cannot be regarded as "renewable" either, as it is stored solar energy.

Re:Point of fact (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245303)

How long does it take to charge those solar batteries?

Re:Point of fact (2)

gmclapp (2834681) | about 2 years ago | (#43245997)

In all fairness it is not more correct to say that oil is stored solar energy than it is to say the energy from the sun or other stars is a product of stored chemical or nuclear energy. It would be more correct to say that there is a set amount of energy and matter in this universe and that it is in constant transition in an attempt to reach a "more stable" state.

crappy summary is crappy (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245139)

"Our goal is to power every facility at Apple entirely with energy from renewable sources"

considering the truly humongous amount of energy going into the building of laptops (the ones built in coal-powered China) that's not really the difficult or most rewarding bit though, is it

* grumbles about misleading headline *

Poorly worded title (1, Insightful)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 2 years ago | (#43245155)

The title could be read to say that Apple is claiming 75% of all power comes from renewable sources. Why not use the shorter title of

75% of Apple's Power Comes From Renewable Sources

Instead? Or even

Apple Says 75% Of Their Power Comes From Renewable Sources

which would also be more clear.

Re:Poorly worded title (2)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 2 years ago | (#43245255)

It also says "needs." But the needs don't come from energy sources - the needs come from all the servers, etc, they're running. -1 Pedantic.

Re:Poorly worded title (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245613)

Oh contraire! By hook or by crook it is worded perfectly. If it was clear it would not be as effective in garnering support from low information individuals.

All you need is title that sounds green and people will fall for it.

Rah rah green agenda and... sigh

Now it all makes sense... (4, Funny)

BillCable (1464383) | about 2 years ago | (#43245163)

That's why Apple products are so expensive!

PS: I wonder how renewable the energy burned to drive the truck that deliver products to their retail stores is.

Re:Now it all makes sense... (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 2 years ago | (#43245683)

The same amount it took to deliver Dell's products to retail stores, I suppose. But we are only going to criticize Apple for things that are out of their control. Unless Dell is using some sort of green energy shipper that I am not aware.

Re:Now it all makes sense... (0)

BillCable (1464383) | about 2 years ago | (#43246073)

Well, I was commenting on how ridiculous it is for Apple to claim 75% of their power needs are met with renewable sources, not holding them to a different standard then Dell or any other corporation.

I do, however, take issue with your suggestion that these costs are outside Apple's control. Apple chooses the companies who transport their products to their retail stores. I presume they choose to pay for gas-guzzling tractor trailers. They could opt instead to use plug-in electric vehicles. And they could choose only to deal with transportation companies who power up their vehicles at charge stations that get their electricity from renewables. It would certainly be outrageously more expensive and far less efficient, but it is fully within their control. So in fact I was criticizing something over which Apple is 100% responsible.

Manufacturing and shipping costs (0, Offtopic)

maroberts (15852) | about 2 years ago | (#43245179)

One wonders what percentage would result if these were factored into their equations?

I notice it also doesn't appear to cover Apple shops....

Re:Manufacturing and shipping costs (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 2 years ago | (#43245945)

These places are not under Apple's control unless they buy the facilities outright then convert them. Dell and HP have the same problem too if they were to convert to green energy. Dell and HP don't own Foxconn that manufacturers their goods. They don't own stores like BestBuy that sell their wares.

Let's hear from the Republican side: (1)

fredrated (639554) | about 2 years ago | (#43245203)

"When did Apple become Communist?"

Re:Let's hear from the Republican side: (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 2 years ago | (#43245297)

I hear they've yet to deny that they've stopped beating their wife, too.

Re:Let's hear from the Republican side: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245479)

1. You don't know anything about Republicans or what it means to be one. So you're disqualified from this topic right there.
2. Apple is anything but communist.

Re: Let's hear from the Republican side: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245663)

After the moron Romneybot found its binders full of women. (Carefully sealed and kept fresh by using lucite)

I don't really consider... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245217)

I don't really consider forced female child labor a Renewable Power Sources<sic>.
I have a soul which is why I don't own any of Apple's iThingies; just sayin'

Re: I don't really consider... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245725)

Right, that's why you would buy Samsung. Now with even more child labour and more denied cancer deaths, right ? You are a moron of epic proportions if you think child labour is an Apple specific problem and/or all other manufacturers are holy. Quite the opposite. Foxconn conditions within the Apple section are bad, but still among the best in china. The wages in Shanghai(china) are far above those in Taiwan.

Generating or just using? (2)

drdrgivemethenews (1525877) | about 2 years ago | (#43245239)

Renewable power bought from a utility company is a zero-sum game--only one party gets to use it, and everyone else gets stuck with whatever's left. So until they are actually generating all that power themselves, the claim is just chest thumping. No real benefit to the environment.

Re:Generating or just using? (2)

rmdingler (1955220) | about 2 years ago | (#43245283)

Is it your argument, that regardless of the number of electricity users who demand renewable sources, there is a finite amount to be delivered? Does consumer demand not factor into this equation at all?

Re:Generating or just using? (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 2 years ago | (#43245289)

It's not like the electricity company hooks you directly up to your own wind turbine anyway. I mean, presumably they can account it for it all and show that yes, 25% of our watts are paid for by customers who've been sold their power as "green" and yes, we've generated 25% of our watts in that way, but that's probably about it, isn't it?

Re:Generating or just using? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43246013)

Also apple is using natural gas (another utility, for their 'bloom' generators) to cover peak usage.

The load usage is solar. Now I am by far no expert in the use of solar. But what happens at night? Do they have a huge bank of batteries? They are probably doing something like net metering. As with that amount of wattage they are probably not keeping it laying around. With that much power I am sure they are getting some sort of break from the power company. They probably generate enough to put a good dent in their bill... I'm sure the power company likes this arrangement. Your own customer is buying their own hardware and selling it back into the grid (you do not have to build more plants). You can slurp up the extra and resell it to your local customers.

'Green' I guess you could call it that. But only in the sense they clear cut a bunch of trees to put in a forest of solar panels.

A good business arrangement is what I would call it. Green not so much. Green would be the *power* company builds the solar array and everyone uses it. This is company finds local power source lacking and builds their own. Companies have been doing this since they figured out how to turn motors (be it water, air, or electricity).

Fuck Apple (-1, Troll)

AndyKron (937105) | about 2 years ago | (#43245353)

Fuck Apple

Re:Fuck Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245547)

How is the hating life, is it as glamorous as it seems? The misery and anger, does it fuel you?

Re: Fuck Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245749)

Stupid troll.

Sorry that was an insult for the nice trolls. You are just a brain dead idiot. Immune to zombies. (No brain there to eat)

missing ending (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245357)

... "and all you suckers are paying for it!"

Marketting (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 2 years ago | (#43245391)

And for all of Apple's corporate facilities worldwide, we're at 75 percent

So their office buildings? What about the factories where all their products are made? You know... where probobly 99.9% of the power they use is consumed?

My fireplace is now powered by 100% renewable resources! I challenge the rest of the world to meet my same goals!

Re:Marketting (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 2 years ago | (#43245711)

I suppose Dell has the same problem except Dell's offices are not powered by green energy. But it's not Dell's fault that they haven't bothered to change something within their control. Instead, let's criticize Apple for doing what they can.

Re:Marketting (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 2 years ago | (#43246011)

Maybe Dell's marketing budget isn't as large?

Re:Marketting (2)

Grizzley9 (1407005) | about 2 years ago | (#43246079)

And for all of Apple's corporate facilities worldwide, we're at 75 percent

So their office buildings? What about the factories where all their products are made? You know... where probobly 99.9% of the power they use is consumed?

My fireplace is now powered by 100% renewable resources! I challenge the rest of the world to meet my same goals!

If you care to actually read up http://www.apple.com/environment/our-footprint/ [apple.com]

Human power is a renewable resource (1)

Cyfun (667564) | about 2 years ago | (#43245537)

They forgot to mention that their Foxconn plants are powered by thousands of Chinese children in giant hamster wheels.

So much hatred (2)

jmhobrien (2750125) | about 2 years ago | (#43245539)

Why so much Apple hate here? Yes, they have shitloads of cash. Yes, they make the most of a capitalist system. I couldn't care less if Apple went bankrupt tomorrow. I'm just asking, WHY SO MUCH HATRED? This company actually invests in renewable energy - how many other fortune 200 companies are doing this? It seems like this is just more of the same old attitude - "It's a money making entity! Kill it!"

Re:So much hatred (-1, Troll)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#43245669)

Why so much Apple hate here?

Their actions, past and present.

Yes, they make the most of a capitalist system.

Well, you got it in one. So why are you asking?

I couldn't care less if Apple went bankrupt tomorrow.

So why are you commenting? I call bullshit.

I'm just asking, WHY SO MUCH HATRED?

Yes, and we saw that at the beginning of your comment.

This company actually invests in renewable energy - how many other fortune 200 companies are doing this?

Fortune 200? Hahahaha. HahaHAHAhHAHAHA. Anyway, here's a serious answer to your question [epa.gov] . The HAHA is because Fortune 500 is completely arbitrary, and Fortune 200 is an arbitrary partitioning of that. Nice try, though.

It seems like this is just more of the same old attitude - "It's a money making entity! Kill it!"

Uh no. It's evil, kill it. Apple not only sees themselves as guardians of morality but they also see your devices as their devices and see it as their right to stifle dissent transmitted through them. They are in general deceptive scum of an even higher order than Microsoft, simply far less successful. My favorite example remains the B&W G3 Rev.1 UDMA data corruption failure, which Apple wanted you to spend money to solve — quite a bit, in fact, due to the Apple Tax. But holding iPhones wrong is fairly precious, as was Apple's initial reaction to reports of cracking cubes — they at first denied that it was even possible. The arrogance of selling 68k macs for a jillion dollars to pay for the R&D on the Powermacs, which ended up being a costly dead-end for many of their users. The hypocrisy of actions like this one. Closing functioning assembly plants in the US only to reopen others later, with a real cost to workers. None of this really causes it to differ from other Fortune 500 companies, but Apple is first and foremost about style and image. Complaining that people have personal reactions to a company which sells products on a personal basis is beyond irrational.

Re:So much hatred (2)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 years ago | (#43246019)

Apple not only sees themselves as guardians of morality

Ironic, given that this post shows you yourself to have that self image.

Re:So much hatred (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 2 years ago | (#43245975)

I'm guessing it's a question of whether the side effects justify the cause. WHY is apple investing in green energy? Is it just so they can put out marketing spin like this to make themselves look good? Someone who does something for the right reasons doesn't need to go around tooting their own horn, nor would they spin it.

Also consider whether this supposedly 'good' behaviour is consistent with their other behaviours of stripping freedom, price gouging, stealing, patent trolling, etc...

You know sometimes, the truly psychopathic do 'good' things to cover up who they really are. Switching to renewable for 1.5% of their overall environmental impact costs nothing in terms of the 'feel goodies' they get from the 'greenies' who can't read between the lines.

Re:So much hatred (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43246113)

Slashdotters have been infected for about 6 years now with some weird vocal Google lifestyle. As soon as the iPhone came out, Apple was put up on high like the underdog had finally won. Slashdotters rejoiced that Apple was finally ahead of Microsoft in a big way. David had beat Goliath.
A year later when the first Android phone came out, it caused a great schism.
I think it's really sad that people from both sides of the issue couldn't be more objective.
But ultimately, I think that this has been a clash of culture that until now has been reasonably aligned...

Open source is Freedom of software, not necessarily free software. This has been beat into the first generation of Slashdotters. However, Google has come in and consistently pushed their own solutions to be "Free with an asterix" Google dependency. Many people find google's commitment to free software noble, but they are slowly tying themselves to Google's interests. There is a great distinction between GNU and Google for instance on the way software is produced.
People who find themselves immersed in google's technologies start to have their own self protection response when Google's interests are challenged.
"How can Google be bad? They give me so much. I can't imagine doing my daily work without Google."

This is NOT the same as the traditional Open source culture. Open source culture teaches you to be self reliant, independent and if you don't like the way code behaves change it. Giveback to society, but don't wait for society to fix your problems. Does google give you the ability to do this for ANY of their products and services?

Enter Apple. Apple is a for profit commercial company. You pay up front for what you want. You vote with your dollars. There's no sleaze, no slime. The restrictions are clear, the capabilities are clear. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Yet they are also an open source contributor and have long been one of the center points for FreeBSD development. ( Consider the irony that Apple's Webkit is now the basis for almost all web browsers )
They are NOT the doting father... they are not the place to go to for freeloading. They are quite clear of what they do and don't do. If you want something, look around a vendor may have a solution that fits what you want, or write your own software and give back to the community.
Not the same model as open source, but I argue, a compatible one that is in the best interest of consumer freedom.

The Google crowd doesn't like this. They'd rather wait for what "entitled" freebie they should get, and they get annoyed that Apple never gives it to them.
So when Android came out, and Apple "disagreed" with how it was designed ( I say this simply to try and avoid a rant of who is right and wrong here... go with me on this) , suddenly Apple is the ultimate bad guy. To the Google crowd, Apple is threatening to take away your lifestyle. Only it's not your lifestyle. It's not what Slashdot was founded on. It's GOOGLE's Life style.

New tags (1, Interesting)

arielCo (995647) | about 2 years ago | (#43245549)

It's already clear that they conveniently left out all manufacturing/storage facilities, as if subcontracting made them not responsible. And of course, they don't use conflict minerals, their workers work 8-hour shifts in comfy offices ... you get the idea.

Now I need a new tag for this PR BS.

Re:New tags (4, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 2 years ago | (#43245795)

It's already clear that they conveniently left out all manufacturing/storage facilities, as if subcontracting made them not responsible. And of course, they don't use conflict minerals, their workers work 8-hour shifts in comfy offices ... you get the idea.

They left it out because those places are beyond their control. I suppose Apple could go to another contract manufacturer, maybe one that Dell or HP uses. Oh wait, it's the same one. There are not a lot of choices when it comes to this kind of manufacturing. Finding one that is green is not likely.

Suppose you want to go green. You can do all you can use renewable energy at your home. What about your work place? Is your company green? What about the facilities they rent? What about they supermarket you use, the dry cleaners, etc? Do you have kids and is their school green? Is your car/bus/subway green? Unless you own 100% of every aspect of your life that uses energy, you have to accept that some places will use fossil fuels as energy.

Apple is converting the facilities that they control as much as they can. You can criticize them for things out of their control or you can applaud them for doing what they can.

You're all missing the big picture... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245615)

Apple will soon claim to have invented renewable iEnergy, obtain patents, and then sue others who power anything with solar, wind power, geothermal, hydroelectric, etc! The world will soon end up going entirely back to fossil fuels, all thanks to Apple!

I will savor the delicious irony when this happens. Mmmm... carbony.

Remember EPEAT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245941)

This is obviously nothing but marketing BS. Apple is trying to do the least it can. It tried to quit EPEAT but had to rejoin as large customers were slipping away... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18837492 [bbc.co.uk]

That shows their true colors, and it's not green.

*Outsourced manufacturing not included (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#43245961)

I'm sure one of the biggest parts of the Apple energy footprint is manufacturing, which is all outsourced to 3rd parties.

Renewable does not mean clean (4, Interesting)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | about 2 years ago | (#43245993)

Much like the term 'All-Natural', Renewable doesn't mean much.

The term causes the mind to think of things like 'Solar, Wind, Water, Geothermal', but the reality is that Renewable also means: "BioDiesel, Wood, Ethanol, Methane"

My point is, that there are many polluting, but renewable sources. I don't mean to imply that making sure our energy supply is sustainable is a bad thing, not at all, but just a reminder to keep an eye out for the marketing angle companies use when they use the term 'Renewable'.

People hear 'clean, green, healthy, responsible' when a company says they are renewable, but the honest truth is that a company could be powered by 100% Renewable Sources by burning pine trees in a 100 year old 30% efficiency furnace.

A previous company of mine recently converted their entire energy supply to renewable sources, generation was performed on site. The source was sawdust from the local saw mills. (However, it was actually a good move, because their system was actually a new high efficiency process they wanted to showcase, and by purchasing from the local sawmills, they helped support the community in a very direct fashion)

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