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Housewives On Trial In China For Smuggling In iPhones

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the random-headline-generator dept.

China 150

Quillem writes "Last year, Hong Kong residents were finding it hard to get their hands on the latest Apple iGadget even though supply was plentiful. An investigation revealed that most of the iPhones and iPads that made it into HK were being smuggled sans import duties into mainland China—where the devices were yet to be released—by housewives who were paid around USD 6 per smuggled gadget. Earlier this week, 25 of the suspected smugglers went on trial in Shenzhen city."

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Happy Saturday from The Golden Girls! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010155)

Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.

And if you threw a party
Invited everyone you knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.

Re:Happy Saturday from The Golden Girls! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010533)

oh golden girls flaw copypaste troll, never leave us.

Eh? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010225)

How do you smuggle in crap made in your country?

Re:Eh? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010239)

In their vagina's.

Nature's secret stash.

Re:Eh? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010319)

These are Apple phones we're talking about.

They'd be taking 'em up the ass, just like every other Apple customer.

Re:Eh? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010515)

The way your dad looked at it, this watch was your birthright. He'd be damned if any slopes gonna put their greasy yellow hands on his boy's birthright, so he hid it, in the one place he knew he could hide something: his ass. Five long years, he wore this iphone up his ass. Then when he died of dysentery, he gave me the iphone. I hid this uncomfortable piece of glass and aluminium up my ass for two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. And now, little man, I give the iphone to you.

Re:Eh? (2, Funny)

drkim (1559875) | about 2 years ago | (#42010325)

In their vagina's.

Perhaps you mean "iGina's® "
(Be careful, Apple just filed the patent on these: U.S. Pat.# 15198489 "...any indentation, pocket, cave, invagination, hole, inclusion, or concavity, made of any material, or found in any location, on any object, location, person or animal, whether produced by natural process including, but not limited to, erosion, evolution, tectonic movement, and/or by any artificial means, additive or subtractive manufacturing, fabrication, machining...")

Re:Eh? (3, Funny)

JustOK (667959) | about 2 years ago | (#42011025)

with rounded corners

Re:Eh? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42011421)

And only 1 button

Re:Eh? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42011453)

You forgot touch sensitive!

Re:Eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42012155)

Now I can understand the importance of round corners.

Re:Eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010261)

If it is all exported then there is none in your country and it requires smuggling to get it.

Craps? (1)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 2 years ago | (#42010999)

I wonder why so many people are buying the craps in the first place.

I mean, those craps don't come cheap, y'know?

No, I ain't using any Apple devices, my last Apple device was Apple Macintosh.

Re:Eh? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010419)

Hong Kong is a special administrative region. It follows different rules and has more autonomy than other regions, probably to ease the transition from British rule back to Chinese rule.

Re:Eh? (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about 2 years ago | (#42010711)

It's also possibly worth mentioning that Chinese nationals require a visa to visit HK (while many folks who aren't, don't), and that you must clear PRC and HK Customs whenever crossing between the two territories.

Re:Eh? (1)

wisty (1335733) | about 2 years ago | (#42010901)

Taxes, and carrier contracts. It's extremely common for luxury goods to be sold cheaper in Hong Kong than in mainland China. They are also more likely to be authentic.

Re:Eh? (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | about 2 years ago | (#42011875)

This is a very common practice. Not just iPhones, but all kinds of electronics are being smuggled from Hong Kong to China. Regularly I hear about police intercepting a smuggling attempt, usually larger volumes of PCBs, computer chips, hard drives, and other components being smuggled to the mainland.

This has to do with taxes. Electronics, particularly expensive stuff, is smacked with a "luxury tax" of like 20% on sales value (I forgot the exact number), plus of course a VAT. So an electronic device produced in mainland and sold there, has these taxes added to it's price. But when the same device is exported to Hong Kong, the factory doesn't have to pay taxes. So indeed mainland factories produce electronics, export them tax-free to Hong Kong, from where it's smuggled back into the mainland.

iPhones are just a high-profile case (the same is happening for iPads and other wanted electronics), and in that case it's more than just taxes: the device is released in Hong Kong but not on the mainland (Apple controls when and where they're being sold), where it is a status symbol optima forma so people are willing to pay a big premium (think in the tunes of 50-100%) to have one *right now*, because having one well before it's officially being released is even better to impress friends and business relations (or, of course, to use as gift to business relations and government officials). So mainlanders come to Hong Kong, buy a lot of them, and have mules carry them across the border.

Desperate housewives? (1)

hundredrabh (1531761) | about 2 years ago | (#42010273)

for just USD 6? sigh..

What's that I smell? (4, Insightful)

Eyeball97 (816684) | about 2 years ago | (#42010301)

Ah, roast scapegoat...

Talk about clickbait headlines... tfa says it's an $80,000,000 smuggling ring that's been busted...

This isn't some little old ladies smuggling a few iPhones in their suitcase for the price of a meal...

Re:What's that I smell? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010343)

tfa says it's an $80,000,000 smuggling ring

That's a lot! With Apple's markup, that must be hundreds, if not thousands of iPhones!

Re:What's that I smell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010379)

... the price of a meal ...

USD 6 is a lot more than a meal in mainland China.

Re:What's that I smell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010393)

More like 6 meals here in Thailand, probably China too.

Or 1 cheap meal for a farang /

Re:What's that I smell? (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about 2 years ago | (#42010723)

It was more like 10 cheap meals for this farang (who's not afraid of eating something that doesn't look like a hamburger).

Re:What's that I smell? (1)

isorox (205688) | about 2 years ago | (#42011071)

It was more like 10 cheap meals for this farang (who's not afraid of eating something that doesn't look like a hamburger).

McDonald's?

Another Fluff Peice (4, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010317)

Seriously I can't help feeling like Apple propaganda is kind of sad now they are irrelevant. The iPhone is a failure in China and in current news its market share [as everywhere] is dropping YOY [its irrelevant] from 5.8% and by quarter from 6.0 down to 4.2 unlike Android which has gone YOY 46.8% and by quarter 82.8% to 90.1%...Android is outselling Apple 21:1

Re:Another Fluff Peice (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010371)

Aren't the facts rather that yes, Android is on most cheaper smartphones, hence they sell a lot in total, but Apple still has a good grip (and profitability) on the high end market.
I think you can compare Apple to a car manufacturer like BMW. Generally well designed and made, often pointing the way forward, indeed relatively small compared to a mass maker like Toyota yet financially healthy.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (3, Interesting)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010389)

I think you can compare Apple to a car manufacturer like BMW.

Enough with the marketing crap. Android phones at the at an average price of 1293 yuan are about $236 you get an Android Phone that has measurably better hardware than an iPhone for that money and subjectively better software [I would say years ahead]. Maybe you should pick on of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_automobile_manufacturers_of_the_United_States [wikipedia.org]

How much of market represents "old" Android? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010475)

I think you can compare Apple to a car manufacturer like BMW.

Enough with the marketing crap. Android phones at the at an average price of 1293 yuan are about $236 you get an Android Phone that has measurably better hardware than an iPhone for that money and subjectively better software [I would say years ahead].

And how much of the Android market constitutes such devices? There are probably many Android devices that are far closer to what was available in the US years ago. I suspect that these sell for for less than 1293 yuan and are more common.

Re:How much of market represents "old" Android? (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010503)

And how much of the Android market constitutes such devices? There are probably many Android devices that are far closer to what was available in the US years ago. I suspect that these sell for for less than 1293 yuan and are more common.

90.1% that is kind of the point. In the fastest *growing* market in the world. So no not old Androids new Androids. :)

"Old" as in design, like a Nexus One ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010541)

And how much of the Android market constitutes such devices? There are probably many Android devices that are far closer to what was available in the US years ago. I suspect that these sell for for less than 1293 yuan and are more common.

90.1% that is kind of the point. In the fastest *growing* market in the world. So no not old Androids new Androids. :)

You are confusing newly manufactured phones with phones using a "new" design, a modern design. Take the hardware available in the US several years ago. A phone using such a design could be manufactured and sold for far less than 1293 yuan. Something like a Nexus One with Android 2.1 rather than a Nexus 4 running Android 4.2.

Re:"Old" as in design, like a Nexus One ... (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010575)

A phone using such a design could be manufactured and sold for far less than 1293 yuan. Something like a Nexus One with Android 2.1 rather than a Nexus 4 running Android 4.2.

Lenovo P770 which is around 1300 yuan has a 4.5"display with qHD resolution, a 8 mega-pixel rear camera; 12Hhx dual core processor, 1GB of RAM and Android 4.1.1 and a 3300MAh!? camera

Seriously what are you talking about!!

Re:"Old" as in design, like a Nexus One ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010873)

I wasn't aware they made 3300MAh cameras... anywhere... ever. Maybe 3300 mAh in the days of vidicon tubes, with enough accumulated charge and high voltage, but not MAh.

Re:"Old" as in design, like a Nexus One ... (1)

flimflammer (956759) | about 2 years ago | (#42010985)

I sincerely hope you aren't the previous AC in that discussion. Otherwise you're simply using a typo to change the discussion.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010495)

What's with all the android fanboy trolls?

Re:Another Fluff Peice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010607)

They're full of nerdrage because they can't understand that we're talking about phones.

Nobody gives a fuck about your tri-quad core processor.

Does it make fucking calls? Does it not need to be rebooted every other fucking day (Hi, Android!)?

Then it's good to go.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010799)

Speaking of trolls...

Trying to generate a bit of interest in an otherwise abysmally dull story, are we?

Re:Another Fluff Peice (1)

Formalin (1945560) | about 2 years ago | (#42011085)

If people just wanted to make calls, then Nokia would still be top of the heap.

That's obviously not the case.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42011143)

What's a Nokia?

Re:Another Fluff Peice (1)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 2 years ago | (#42011459)

Better how?

Re:Another Fluff Peice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42011997)

I'm actually kinda stunned at how fricking many there were. When all you hear about is "the big three", seeing hundreds of dead ones gives me a bit of pause.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (1)

Lincolnshire Poacher (1205798) | about 2 years ago | (#42011081)

I think you can compare Apple to a car manufacturer like BMW. Generally well designed and made, often pointing the way forward, indeed relatively small compared to a mass maker like Toyota yet financially healthy.

Hmm not sure if that fits. In Europe, BMW out-sells Ford and Toytoa ( individually ) in the mid-sized sedan market and has done so every year since 2006.

BMW is mass market and has shifted from sporting saloons to executive cruisers.

Some people actually rate the Ford Mondeo as a better-handling car than the 3-series.

I've learned this the hard way... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010373)

Don't make your opinion solely upon statistics and facts. You must consider the opinions of others, as well.

Please try to believe me when I say this, but the iPhone is a must-have gadget in China. It is a sign of wealth that you are able to own one. Most are not able to afford the iPhone, hence the high percentage of Android users over there.

Re:I've learned this the hard way... (3, Informative)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010397)

Most are not able to afford the iPhone, hence the high percentage of Android users over there.

What a load of crap The Android phones in question are selling at an average of 1293 yuan that is about $236 and you can get a really good Android phone for that. If Apple have chosen to price themselves out of the market, that is their choice. In the short term it might look great for profits, but as we can see they are irrelevant in China.

Re:I've learned this the hard way... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010435)

Don't make your opinion solely upon statistics and facts.

Statistics without context do not necessarily represent facts. However they are useful for manipulating opinion, given an argument a false authority. For example are all those Android phones modern smartphones, or are some essentially feature phones running Android but lacking in features? Are Apple sales limited by demand or supply, if they quickly sell out and are unavailable then market share is not limited by a lack of consumer interest.

Re:I've learned this the hard way... (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010469)

Statistics without context do not necessarily represent facts.

No they are pretty much facts, These are smartphones in every sense of the word with an average price of 1393 yuan you get a serious phone. Apple are simply not worth the money at 4523 yuan.

"Old" Android designs are more affordable ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010521)

Statistics without context do not necessarily represent facts.

No they are pretty much facts, These are smartphones in every sense of the word with an average price of 1393 yuan you get a serious phone. Apple are simply not worth the money at 4523 yuan.

So you are claiming there are no inexpensive Android phones in China that are comparable to what was sold in the US years ago? That sound quite unbelievable. Even 1300 yuan is too expensive for most Chinese. There are less expensive Android phones. Stats that don't differentiate between "new" Android designs and "old" Android designs do not represent facts. They represent advocacy.

Plus there are pesky little details about a declining market share representing a lack of supply rather than a lack of demand. Again, stats need a context. That is why in stats 101 phrases like "all other things being equal" are constantly used. Unless Android and iPhone have somewhat comparable supply and demand the stats are not truly indicating consumer preference.

All Chinese Android phones are new :) (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010543)

Unless Android and iPhone have somewhat comparable supply and demand the stats are not truly indicating consumer preference.

Ignoring your hilarious and possibly racist argument that Chinese people are stupid and buy old designed phones over the new ones, while at the same time not understanding that 1393 yuan average is the reality...and represents 51% of the phone market...that is what they are paying.

The reality is Android phones are in demand...iPhone not so much, consumers pretty much decide with their money, and that is not going to Apple.

Re:All Chinese Android phones are new :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010579)

Ignoring your hilarious and possibly racist argument that Chinese people are stupid and buy old designed phones over the new ones ...

What is racist or dumb about being able to afford a Nexus One like device but not a Nexus 4 like device?

... while at the same time not understanding that 1393 yuan average is the reality...and represents 51% of the phone market...that is what they are paying.

While the 4th quartile of Android phones may offer comparable functionality it is a bit of an assumption that the 1st quartile does as well. There is a significant price difference between those two quartiles, surely the phones can't be similar. Again, context is necessary.

The reality is Android phones are in demand...iPhone not so much, consumers pretty much decide with their money, and that is not going to Apple.

Nope, you are making assumptions. For example it may be supply, not demand, that gives Android an edge over iPhone, or at least greatly skews that statistics. Statistics do need context. If one device has abundant supply and the other is in limited supply then marketshare may not represent consumer preference.

Re:All Chinese Android phones are new :) (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010603)

Ignoring your hilarious and possibly racist argument that Chinese people are stupid and buy old designed phones over the new ones ...

Because you are implying that the Chinese are so stupid they would buy a "Nexus one" over a "Lenovo P770" FYI Lenovo has now overtaken Nokia to be 9th largest manufacture of phones worldwide.

Again as your posting in two threads "Lenovo P770 which is around 1300 yuan has a 4.5"display with qHD resolution, a 8 mega-pixel rear camera; 12Mhz dual core processor, 1GB of RAM and Android 4.1.1 and a 3300MAh!?"

Only Apple sell old phones to fill out its product line the rest of the market have to update their product lines.

Re:All Chinese Android phones are new :) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010717)

Because you are implying that the Chinese are so stupid they would buy a "Nexus one" over a "Lenovo P770" ...
 

No I am saying that people buy what they can afford. Not all chinese can afford the 1300 yuan devices.

... FYI Lenovo has now overtaken Nokia to be 9th largest manufacture of phones worldwide. Again as your posting in two threads "Lenovo P770 which is around 1300 yuan has a 4.5"display with qHD resolution, a 8 mega-pixel rear camera; 12Mhz dual core processor, 1GB of RAM and Android 4.1.1 and a 3300MAh!?"

As you said, if 1300 is the average then there are phones that are far cheaper. These cheaper phones won't have comparable features.

Re:All Chinese Android phones are new :) (2)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010829)

No I am saying that people buy what they can afford. Not all Chinese can afford the 1300 yuan devices.if 1300 is the average then there are phones that are far cheaper. These cheaper phones won't have comparable features.

A quick look at the best selling Android phones on Amazon china http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.cn%2F [google.com] show the three most popular Android devices to be ZTE U930 at 926 yuan; Huawei Ascend G330C and 966 yuan; and Samsun Gaxaxy III at 3,729 yuan, which is what you would expect for an average of 1300. The under 1000 phones, both come with dual-core processors 4.0 and 4.3 inch IPS creens and Ice cream sandwich...I assume you are familiar with the SIII :)

I find it astonishing that you have tried to refute my posts without one single shed of evidence that backs your fairytale view of china. When the internet makes it so simple to check facts. Please don't continue to shame yourself, and do the modicum of research first.

Re:All Chinese Android phones are new :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42011059)

I find it astonishing that you have tried to refute my posts without one single shed of evidence ...

You refute yourself. Your cherry picked example of a lower cost phone has an inferior processor and screen compared to the current generation you offer. The lower cost phones reflect older designs, as I had indicated.

Plus my various points still stand:

- People may want one thing but can only afford something else.

- Supply of a desired product may be limited.

This supply point is of particular importance. I believe Apple only has one carrier in China. I don't think the iPhone 5 has even launched yet. I believe there are larger regions where you can't get iPhones at all. Again, unless you look at such things then a statistical comparison is a naive thing to do.

Stats 101 - "all other things being equal" assumption, and all other things aren't.

Re:All Chinese Android phones are new :) (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42011111)

I'm sorry perhaps Its a pit complicated for you to understand why I would choose the 3 most popular phones on a list when looking at average. If its too complicated for you I will show you the maths.

The three Phones
=============
http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_ascend_g330-4966.php [gsmarena.com]
http://www.gsmarena.com/zte_grand_x-4597.php [gsmarena.com]
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9300_galaxy_s_iii-4238.php [gsmarena.com]
As you can see these phones are neither old or under specced they are great value for money phones. Android will shine on these phones.

In fact the inclusion of the high priced Samsung galaxy III implies that price in not the only reason for the absolute failure of the iPhone.

Considering the iPhone is both available for Amazon though the link I gave you and unsurprisingly available through the Apple Chine website, pretending that the iPhone is has supply issues is farcical...its simply unwanted.

Again your statements do not represent any facts which is why you cannot link to any supporting information.

Re:All Chinese Android phones are new :) (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | about 2 years ago | (#42011297)

Why do I sense that the modded-down posts that I'm not seeing that you're responding to all read:

"Awk! I'm melting, I'm melting!"

Re:All Chinese Android phones are new :) (1)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 2 years ago | (#42011473)

Right because the best measure if how well the iPhone is doing is by looking at Amazon's website. Last time I checked, Apple has its own stores and sell them through carriers.

Re:All Chinese Android phones are new :) (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42011709)

Right because the best measure if how well the iPhone is doing is by looking at Amazon's website. Last time I checked, Apple has its own stores and sell them through carriers.

LOL the selling figures for the whole of china

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com.hk&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://data.eguan.cn/yidonghulian_147283.html&usg=ALkJrhi2UMQ3zW-yIsGyynI-urAOZLDDkg [googleusercontent.com]

Apple is 4.2% and Android 90.1% nothing to do with Amazon.

Re:All Chinese Android phones are new :) (1)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 2 years ago | (#42011753)

And what does that have to do with how crazy it is to compare Amazon sales in the US to show that The iPhone is not selling well on the US as the original poster tried to?

Re:All Chinese Android phones are new :) (1)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 2 years ago | (#42011467)

iPhone's are not in demand? What reality are you living in? Have you seen Apple's quarterly statements?

Re:All Chinese Android phones are new :) (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42011715)

iPhone's are not in demand? What reality are you living in? Have you seen Apple's quarterly statements?

The reality where Apple have low demand for a massive mobile phone that is localised to the US and UK due to carriers wanting to lock customers into long contracts...and even in those places its outsold by Android, but to answer your questions I do read there financial statements. :)

Re:All Chinese Android phones are new :) (1)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 2 years ago | (#42011741)

So companies are in business to increase market share and not profit?

Profits and Market share exclusive!? (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42012137)

So companies are in business to increase market share and not profit?

Why one without the other :) the two are rarely exclusive. In reality I argue consistently that chasing *short term profits* in a *mature* market is costing Apple now. The evidence of this is everywhere. Apples *only* saving grace is the markets are still growing.

Re:I've learned this the hard way... (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | about 2 years ago | (#42010477)

Yes I would much rather hear a business argument based on emotion and feelings. Not!

Re:I've learned this the hard way... (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about 2 years ago | (#42010437)

Please try to believe me when I say this, but the iPhone is a must-have gadget in China.

I'm trying to believe, but I smell bullshit. My partner's mother is very happy with her S2.

In fact, she couldn't wait to show it off to us when she visited about 6 months ago. (I put away my S3 and got out my old S1 for a while, so as not to show her up.)

As the wife of a PLA officer and Party member in good standing, Ma could absolutely have an iPhone if she wanted one. No need to ask you to believe that, either.

Re:I've learned this the hard way... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010507)

If most are not able to afford it and do not own it then it is not a must have gadget.

Re:I've learned this the hard way... (2)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about 2 years ago | (#42010811)

Please try to believe me when I say this, but the iPhone is a must-have gadget in China.

The hipster phone in China right now is the Galaxy Note/Note2. You see them everywhere.

  iPhones are for old people.

Hard Way how? (1)

Frankie70 (803801) | about 2 years ago | (#42010827)

'Learned this the hard way' meaning what exactly? Did you short Apple iPhones in China and loose a lot of money on it? Or did were you robbed of Multiple iPhones in China because its a must have gadget in China? Or what?

Re:Another Fluff Peice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010399)

And yet Apple sells iPhones as fast as they are put on the shelves in China.

And yet the demand for Apple devices is so unfulfilled that counterfeit stores open selling gray market Apple goods.

And Android devices are put into counterfeit cases and retail packaging to look like Apple devices.

Get back to us when you can offer unit numbers to accompany those market share statistics so that the context may be understood. Well partially understood, for all we know low cost low end feature phones may be using Android now. Unit numbers for high end Android phones would seem necessary.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010455)

And yet Apple sells iPhones as fast as they are put on the shelves in China.

The whole point is not only do they not. To put it in perspective China's smartphone is set to overtake that of the US this year; Smartphone shipments overtook Featurephone shipments for the first time accounting for 51% of 87Million Phones...To put that in perspective Apple only sold 26.9Million worldwide during the same period, and the Android phones they are selling are not basic phones the average price is 1393 yuan that is about $223...you get a lot of Android phone for that money from companies like Huawei [3rd in world selling 16million units this quarter] ZTE[5th in World selling 8Million this quarter] and Lenovo [yes that Lenovo 9th selling 7 Million] this quarter.

Android outsells Apple 21:1 its not even funny

iPhones are supply limited not demand limited (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010625)

And yet Apple sells iPhones as fast as they are put on the shelves in China.

The whole point is not only do they not.

Nope, guess again. Again you assume sales are demand limited rather than supply limited.

iPhone 4S launch in China:

"I've been waiting here since yesterday afternoon, then this morning they say they won't sell," a man in his 20s told Reuters TV. "They broke customers' hearts."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16540681

"Even though Apple has yet to debut the iPhone 5 in mainland China, the phone has ostensibly sold out according to first-hand reports ... Apple is currently working hard to provide the handsets to tech-hungry consumers, as demand has outweighed the supply"

http://www.iphoneinformer.com/4438-iphone-5-already-sold-out-across-china/

"He said all of the stores he has visited in Hong Kong were sold out of the iPhone 5, and described the city as having "iPhone 5 fever.""

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/10/08/iphone-5-fever-sweeps-hong-kong-as-mainland-china-awaits-apples-launch

Re:iPhones are supply limited not demand limited (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010663)

you assume sales are demand limited rather than supply limited.

http://www.apple.com/asia/iphone/buy/#cn [apple.com]

No I don't. I just don't live in the land of unicorns. The link is from the offical Apple site where to buy the iphone in china....Link No1 is Apple Online Store :) The Nexus devices sell out; not so much the iDevices.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | about 2 years ago | (#42010491)

There are KiRF Samsung Galaxy SIII phones as well. So what?

Re:Another Fluff Peice (1)

iamhassi (659463) | about 2 years ago | (#42010473)

Seriously I can't help feeling like Apple propaganda is kind of sad now they are irrelevant. The iPhone is a failure in China and in current news its market share [as everywhere] is dropping YOY [its irrelevant] from 5.8% and by quarter from 6.0 down to 4.2 unlike Android which has gone YOY 46.8% and by quarter 82.8% to 90.1%...Android is outselling Apple 21:1

No, not quite. It's not that the iPhone is a failure in china, it's the fact that the iPhone is not available on the top carriers in china. It would be like if the iphone was only available on tmobile in the US, except theres 5x more people in China than the US. Besides, most sales doesn't mean best: McDonalds is the top selling restaurant in the world, doesn't mean they sell the best food.

Android is like BMW (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010527)

It's not that the iPhone is a failure in china

Its exactly a failure in China, Android is outselling Apple 21:1 however you spin it. These are not people tied into 2 year contacts.

As for you comparing McDonalds to "Android" shame on you. These are on average 1393 yuan phones for that price you get measurably better hardware, and arguably better software. Its more popular because its *better value* not *cheaper* which is why Android share is increased to 90.1% and Apples has dropped to 4.2%. Maybe Apple should lose some of that ridiculous mark-up.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (3, Insightful)

iamhassi (659463) | about 2 years ago | (#42010513)

The iPhone is a failure in China and in current news its market share [as everywhere] is dropping YOY [its irrelevant

A lot of things are failures in China. Google is a failure in China. Facebook is a failure in China. Does this mean google and Facebook are irrelevant too? If you did world wide market share of social media or search engines I bet you'd discover that whatever is popular in China ends up having the most market share because china has almost 5x more people than the US

Re:Another Fluff Peice (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010551)

Google is a failure in China

No Google took the high ground in China, as its computers were hacked and they demanded too much control [User Information] The reality is though the iphone even worldwide is being outsold 5:1 by Android its just just a bigger failure in China being outsold 21:1

Re:Another Fluff Peice (4, Interesting)

wvmarle (1070040) | about 2 years ago | (#42011943)

Come on. Not to defend Apple as such, but how can you call being outsold 1:5 a failure when you have one single model competing with hundreds of other models? When you compare model to model I wouldn't be surprised iPhone is the nr 1 selling phone model at a distance. Samsung is the only one that may rival them, they have some really well selling models. And in the Android world there are new models available almost every single day, while Apple has a new model maybe once a year.

In China it's even more so. When it comes to mobile phones, the US market is highly controlled and restricted, the China market is open. Yes, you heard that correctly: communist China's market is much more open than capitalist US's market. In China, like most of the rest of the world outside the US, you buy a phone, and then you buy a subscription to a network. They don't come bundled. So it's much easier for newcomers to put a model on the market - they don't need to care about having a carrier's blessing. This results in immense competition, pushing down prices.

And because no-one other than Apple can use iOS on their phones, they all opt for the Android option. Many would likely want iOS if it were available. Many would possibly even use Microsoft's offering if it were as cheap and customisable as Android.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (2)

phantomfive (622387) | about 2 years ago | (#42010593)

Android is replacing Symbian, not iPhone. Really, look at the numbers. In China, people wish for an iPhone, but settle for an Android. That could hurt them eventually, but not now.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (2)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010649)

Android is replacing Symbian, not iPhone. Really, look at the numbers. In China, people wish for an iPhone, but settle for an Android. That could hurt them eventually, but not now.

Your absolutely right Apple was never a success in China. Its simply more of failure now. Can we stop the bullshit that people wish for an iPhone, people are choosing Android over Apple worldwide at 5:1, with 70% of sales vs Apples 15%. Apple simply is irrelevant to the smartphone market.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (0)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#42011517)

I'm not sure what it is you're smoking, but can I have some?

It's amusing to see that Apple fans are the ones who are accused of living under the reality distortion field in the face of comments like yours.

Next you're going to tell me Ferrari or Mercedes are irrelevant in the auto world because Ford outsell them "21:1 (or more)"

Re:Another Fluff Peice (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | about 2 years ago | (#42011959)

They will just go for the special Chinese edition of the iPhone. Often a bit smaller than the original, and comes with two extra buttons. For the rest it looks exactly the same, both the case and the screen output. It just behaves more like Android, and the apps don't come from Apple's App Store. For the rest it's the same. It's even branded iPnone.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (1)

PhamNguyen (2695929) | about 2 years ago | (#42010605)

While I agree that Android is the way of the future, because it is a better OS, the purpose of a company is to make money for its shareholders, and Apple's market cap is more than double Google's, so I think they are doing their job fine.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010639)

The purpose of a company is to make money for its shareholders, and Apple's market cap is more than double Google's, so I think they are doing their job fine.

Apples Market Cap has taken a bit of a beating itself on the back of a whole host of bad news. Share Price Down from $700 to 530. Guess those shareholders are a little unhappy. Perhaps they are not doing such a good job :)

Re:Another Fluff Peice (1)

PhamNguyen (2695929) | about 2 years ago | (#42010671)

Yes but their market cap is still more than 2x Google's. Of course shareholders were happier when the price was $700, but that doesn't change the point that companies don't aim to eventually dominate the market, they aim to maximize shareholder value.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010747)

Yes but their market cap is still more than 2x Google's.

Of course shareholders were happier when the price was $700, but that doesn't change the point that companies don't aim to eventually dominate the market, they aim to maximize shareholder value.

I think you need to stop posting, because I don't think you understand. Market Cap[italization] is simply shares outstanding x share value. If the share drops the market Caps drops too. Right now Apple shares are in freefall so is there Market Cap.

If you want to compare the iPhone to Android by pretending that its Apple [A multiple electronics company] vs Google [Controls one Android Phone subsidiary, the OS, An Online Store...and a phone brand] market cap knock yourself out, personally I think its crackers, but like I say Apple shares and therefore its capitalisation is in freefall.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (1)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 2 years ago | (#42011483)

Between Google and Apple, guess which one reported declining revenues and profits.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (2)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 2 years ago | (#42011475)

Apple propaganda is kind of sad now they are irrelevant.

A half trillion dollar global company with consistent double digit annual growth irrelevant? A single company with 17% global smart phone market share (surpassed only by Samsung) irrelevant? A single company with 50% of global tablet market share irrelevant?

From a business standpoint they are certainly relevant. Maybe you mean nobody pays attention to Apple? Is that why every /. story about Microsoft, Google, Android and many other unrelated topics has people posting about Apple? I guess the press never writes about Apple? Oh, wait. They write about them almost daily.

Die hard Apple haters are like Fox News talking about Republicans' 2012 electoral mandate. The disconnect from reality is what is really sad.

Re:Another Fluff Peice (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | about 2 years ago | (#42011899)

They may be a "failure" but having 5% of a market worth 1.3 billion people, is still a huge market. With so little market share they would still be able to sell more phones in China then they would on a 20% market share in the US.

Ching Chong Wing Wong (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010405)

Me rikey iPod very much. ah soo

Re:Ching Chong Wing Wong (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42010485)

Me rikey iPod very much. ah soo

Ignoring the racist slant. iPods [5.3 million this quarter] are simply stopped selling it is one of the reasons that Apple stock is in freefall.

Re:Ching Chong Wing Wong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010553)

Ignoring the racist slant.

I see what you did there.

Re:Ching Chong Wing Wong (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | about 2 years ago | (#42011317)

If you keep saying things like that here, Apple is gonna stop sponsoring (paying for) the apple.slashdot.org sub-domain. If that happens where will the iBots do their astroturfing?

Re:Ching Chong Wing Wong (1)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 2 years ago | (#42011501)

You're right, Apple was so dumb not to see that people would eventually stop buying standalone MP3 players and start buying phones with media player capabilities. If they had been smart, they would have started selling phones five years ago when they saw the iPod market was in decline. If they had done that, they could probably be the worlds most valuable company by now.

Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010549)

Did they steal the iPhones or something? What's the problem?

Does this have something to do with the anti-freedom bullshit known as intellectual property?

Re:Huh? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010589)

No, it has to do with a much older form of economic protectionism: Customs and Tariffs

USD 6? (1)

SpaghettiPattern (609814) | about 2 years ago | (#42010701)

USD 6? How much is that in CHF? Forget even Renminbi. I'm too ignorant to convert anything into my own currency and I demand to be disneyfied!

Remember it's China and Apple we're talking abt... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010981)

If I know anything about Chinese manufacturing, Android being free and open means that few people outside of China will be making a cent. Apple has a hold on the IP of their devices for now, the OS, software, and device support servers (iTunes probably being where most of the money is). Add to this that consumer devices usually end up taking a cost race to the bottom. Who will care when Chinese Android devices are 99% of the market, buggy as heck, probably hacked out of the box, but only cost $10.

I find it Ironic that supporting Android is a bit like supporting Microsoft software, the more successful it becomes, the less chance there is of making a living developing for it. Don't take me wrong, I like, use, and develop free software - but I don't see it paying the bills.
At least with iOS, there's a fair chance if you put out a good program you can make a bit back for it.

Re:Remember it's China and Apple we're talking abt (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#42011015)

Wow I think you have every cliche in there. Lets be honest Android market share is significantly higher everywhere, including the US and Europe and the Gap between them is getting worse. Android developer hirings have been higher than those for iOS for sometime and again that gap is increasing [regardless of what you think in your fantasy job].

Ironically pretending that Android is somehow inferior to iOS its farcical, or that its somehow buggy, is simply wishful thinking because you paid such a massive mark-up for your device, Ironically the "race to the bottom"...or capitalism, is great for consumers and the Chinese are having a smartphone experience better than yours for a fraction of the cost.

FYI Apple makes most of its money overcharging for its electronics, but it does make 30% on all content too, thank goodness its cartel was blocked and the rest of us can enjoy competitive pricing...or as you would say "race to the bottom"

Re:Remember it's China and Apple we're talking abt (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 2 years ago | (#42012019)

You have an impressive 21 anti-Apple posts (so far) on this story alone. That's an amazing obsession for a company you called "irrelevant" in one of those posts.

More reality television (1)

Omniskio (1153619) | about 2 years ago | (#42011241)

"The Real Housewives of Hong Kong"

Occuption (1)

Livius (318358) | about 2 years ago | (#42011693)

Do we really still call them 'housewives' (itself a difficult and noble occupation) when they're professional smugglers?

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