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Google Seeks US Ban On iPhones, iPads, Macs

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the ask-big-then-compromise dept.

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theodp writes "Following up on an announcement that it would rid itself of 4,000 employees world-wide and renege on a deal with the State of Illinois, Google's Motorola Mobility unit said it has filed a new patent-infringement case against Apple, which seeks a ban on U.S. imports of devices including the iPhone, iPad and Mac computers. 'Apple's unwillingness to work out a license leaves us little choice but to defend ourselves and our engineers' innovations,' Motorola Mobility said in an e-mailed statement."

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Well... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41034859)

Why not ban the two companies from doing business in the US until they iron out a deal?

Re:Well... (4, Funny)

flyneye (84093) | about 2 years ago | (#41034869)

Wait, the humility phase of Apples timeline is due to start, I wanna watch!

Re:Well... (5, Funny)

durrr (1316311) | about 2 years ago | (#41035491)

Meanwhile, the patent lawsuit shitstorm have been upgraded to hurricane status.

Re:Well... (4, Interesting)

JackieBrown (987087) | about 2 years ago | (#41034957)

It's possible that the goal of this is to force patent reform.

Now we will see how well MAD works when someone stops bluffing

Re:Well... (2, Insightful)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about 2 years ago | (#41035005)

Right...

When Apple does it - evil.

When Google does the same thing it's okay, because Google has only goodness and altruism in its heart.

Re:Well... (5, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | about 2 years ago | (#41035019)

I wouldn't go that far, but Google's personality is one where it doesn't agressively go out to destroy the other party. I forget the exact words Steve Jobs used when talking about destroying Android, but if Google were equal with Apple in that respect, they would have done this LONG ago. Most often, Google is the party being sued, not the party filing suit.

I do not see Google as white hat and Apple as black. I see Google as a marketng company which depends on its own image being briight and shiny. Apple is a product making company and depends on its prodicts image as being bright and shiny. Their motives are quite different.

Re:Well... (5, Insightful)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 2 years ago | (#41035181)

It's simpler than that. Apple was Steve Jobs and he loved suing the competition.

Re:Well... (-1, Troll)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#41035395)

If you do patent lawsuit crap like this, they all are black hats.

Only scumbags pull this kind of Patent lawsuit crap.

Re:Well... (5, Informative)

jbolden (176878) | about 2 years ago | (#41035525)

No there are two issues.

One is a bunch of look and feel patents and functionality patents and mostly Apple is doing the suing.

The other are a bunch of older patents about communication. And there Apple is supposed to be paying 2.5% if it is not under a co-licensing but thinks that's too high because their phones aren't $40... and in that one I have a tough time seeing how Apple is going to win.

Apple picked a fist fight. Motorola/Google had a knife and told Apple to back off. Apple instead charged and now got stabbed

Re:Well... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035045)

No. If I punch you in the face = Evil

You punch me back = Self defense.

Re:Well... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035149)

No. If I punch you in the face = Evil

You punch me back = Self defense.

George Bush punches you in the face = Preemptive strike

Re:Well... (5, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#41035407)

Dick Cheney doesn't play this pussy face punching game...

Birdshot to the face! BOOM!

Re:Well... (1, Insightful)

andydread (758754) | about 2 years ago | (#41035207)

Right...

When Apple does it - evil.

When Google does the same thing it's okay, because Google has only goodness and altruism in its heart.

So someone walks up and punches you in the face and you stand there and take it? really?

Re:Well... (4, Interesting)

guises (2423402) | about 2 years ago | (#41035247)

Now we will see how well MAD works when someone stops bluffing

You can't use future tense here - companies are already suing each other like crazy. Apple / Samsung; Microsoft / Android phone makers; patent trolls / everybody. We know exactly how well MAD works: poorly.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035263)

So, no FRAND crap this time. It is the real deal. Obviously 12billion wouldn't be given for nothing, and they might have more strong patents in their arsenal.

Re:Well... (0)

jbolden (176878) | about 2 years ago | (#41035541)

No there is "FRAND crap". But the FRAND rate was 2.5% which is a lot higher in a $700 phone than on a $40 phone.

Re:Well... (2, Informative)

I_am_Jack (1116205) | about 2 years ago | (#41035357)

I doubt it will force patent reform, as there is quite a bit of money in patent trolling these days, but if Google can use this to get Apple to BTFO in its desire to sue every thing that moves, then Google's performing a badly-needed service.

If only Apple would look at the Wright Brothers as an example of what happens to you when you attempt to restrain competition by enforcing patents [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Well... (1)

Shavano (2541114) | about 2 years ago | (#41035597)

The goal is to force Apple into playing nice with cross-licensing. Apple has been trying to do the same to them.

Re:Well... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035085)

Nothing in the linked article supports the claim in the summary that they "renege[d] on a deal with the State of Illinois". All the article says is that their workforce will drop below 2500 and that consequently they will no longer be eligible for tax breaks. Nowhere does it suggest that they made any deal requiring them to retain a workforce above that level. If there is a link supporting the claim that they reneged on a deal in this matter then can someone provide it?

Do some evil! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41034861)

Well Apple is evil so why can't we be too?

Re:Do some evil! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41034903)

Self defense isn't evil. If someone hits you, you are allowed to hit them back.

Re:Do some evil! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035121)

Not according to Jesus. Matthew 5:38-40.

Oddly, I thought a lot of the US believed in following the Bible quite closely...?

Re:Do some evil! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035137)

Only the bits that allow them to be judgmental of others.

Re:Do some evil! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035403)

Only the bits that allow them to be judgmental of others.

Reminds me of the character named Joseph in Emily Bronte's "Wuthering Heights." He would fling the curses of damnation at everyone else whilst hoarding the Biblical promises for himself.

Re:Do some evil! (-1, Flamebait)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#41035427)

Most of the United states is NOT christian. They are pick and choose christian. I.E. hypocrites.

yay for software patents (3, Insightful)

just another AC (2679463) | about 2 years ago | (#41034871)

here we go again...

when will someone get the balls to hit the destruct button on the broken patent industry. I'm tired of reading about it, yet alone trying to keep abreast of it.

PS haven't RTFA but I am assuming this is another trivial software patent (although with MM there is a chance it is a valid hardware patent)

Re:yay for software patents (2)

Antarius (542615) | about 2 years ago | (#41034919)

The complaint at the U.S. International Trade Commission claims infringement of seven Motorola Mobility patents on features including location reminders, e-mail notification and phone/video players, Motorola Mobility said today.

Reading a 1 page article isn't really that hard...

Re:yay for software patents (1)

John Hasler (414242) | about 2 years ago | (#41035135)

> Reading a 1 page article isn't really that hard...

And it lets you reinforce your prejudices and preconceptions without placing you in danger of actually needing to think.

Re:yay for software patents (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41034925)

here we go again...

when will someone get the balls to hit the destruct button on the broken patent industry. I'm tired of reading about it, yet alone trying to keep abreast of it.

PS haven't RTFA but I am assuming this is another trivial software patent (although with MM there is a chance it is a valid hardware patent)

+1 for patent apocalypse.
Let the american populace be without their shiny i-toys and see how quick those congress assholes fix the system.

Suck it Blue! er, Suck it Apple! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41034881)

How can this be ? (0, Flamebait)

Wovel (964431) | about 2 years ago | (#41034889)

Google is good and would never sue anyone. I guess they are just looking for some more FRAND abuse smackdown.

Google will learn this is the worst 12.5b anyone ever spent.

Re:How can this be ? (1)

peragrin (659227) | about 2 years ago | (#41034911)

that is my thought, the problem with FRAND is this exactly. you license your product to one company who then sells it to another as allowed in the license. That third company then makes billions and you only get millions for your FRAND so you sue not realizing you already allowed it to happen.

Re:How can this be ? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035077)

Look, Motorola/Google is suing apple because they taught apple how to actually communicate over those GSM radio waves (in the sense that they developed it and patented it).

Apple is suing everyone claiming they invented round corners, and patented it.

That either of these is possible ... sucks. BUT one of these sucks a whole lot more than the other, doesn't it ?

Re:How can this be ? (4, Informative)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about 2 years ago | (#41035153)

TFA makes it pretty clear that they're not suing over the radio patents at all... this is over things like location awareness, e-mail push, and embedded video players....

Re:How can this be ? (3, Insightful)

antifoidulus (807088) | about 2 years ago | (#41034937)

Either:
A: they are desperately trying to do anything to help make their purchase of Motorola Mobile not look like the giant steaming turd that it is or
B: they purchased Motorola Mobile solely for this purpose...

Re:How can this be ? (5, Insightful)

Holmwood (899130) | about 2 years ago | (#41035025)

Their purchase of Motorola was indeed primarily for this. They needed to be able to defend Android, and Google itself didn't have sufficient mobile patents to have a decent chance at prevailing in a court against Apple. Google + Moto on the other hand, very much the reverse.

Google's choices were - buy Nokia, RIM, Motorola, or the Nortel patents. Of that lot, Motorola made by far the most strategic sense since they had an enormous trove of on point patents, were affordable, and were already an Android partner. At the time, their losing the Nortel patent auction looked bad, but when they snapped up Motorola shortly thereafter, it all made sense.

Would they have been better off winning Nortel patents for (say) $5bn than spending $13.5+ for Motorola? [I'm counting anticipated restructuring costs in with the purchase price] Maybe. But it's entirely possible that Apple, Microsoft, RIM, etc. would have pushed the bidding on Nortel patents well above $5bn. Also, a lot of the Nortel patents would have been neither applicable nor remotely useful to Google. For a patent defense, Motorola is a much better fit.

Does it suck that companies have to spend billions in this fashion to create a legal defense? Yes. If you're an ardent Apple fan, it sucks that Google gets to attack Apple just because they bought a bunch of patents; if you're an ardent Google fan, it sucks that Apple is attacking Android manufacturers in the first place. For the rest of us, firing engineers and hiring lawyers does not seem a winning plan for engineers or the economy-at-large. Nice for lawyers though.

Re:How can this be ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035075)

A lot of Nortel's IP is on networking. Some of that would certainly be useful for a Google 'cause they also do a tiny bit of networking.

This is not defense... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035157)

... it's offense.

Re:This is not defense... (3, Interesting)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#41035239)

... it's offense.

well, would be if apple hadn't tried to block nexus sales...

Re:How can this be ? (4, Interesting)

elashish14 (1302231) | about 2 years ago | (#41035505)

My memory is fuzzy, and I'm too lazy to research this myself, but my understanding is that part of the deal in the US (and probably other nations) that allowed the acquisition to go through was that Google would not aggressively attack others with the IP that they acquired from the deal.

Is this not the case? And if it is, wouldn't these actions be in violation of that agreement? Could Google face some sort of kickback for breaching this agreement, or possibly even an antitrust case?

Re:How can this be ? (5, Insightful)

Targon (17348) | about 2 years ago | (#41034941)

This is all in response to Apple trying to kill the Android phone market by preventing their devices from being imported, and nothing more. Apple started all this lawsuit garbage, and deserves to be slapped down hard for the MANY cases of THEIR copying of ideas from others.

Re:How can this be ? (1, Insightful)

SilenceBE (1439827) | about 2 years ago | (#41035063)

If I remember correctly the whole Motorola vs Apple ordeal or war predicates that of any other cases regarding patents. I personally think it had a lot to do with the fact that Microsoft threaded Motorola with a lawsuit which ended in Motorola taken a license on those patents. Not long after that Motorola sued Apple.

So I have a bit of sour taste in my mouth when I see people telling that this is a "defensive" stance or "only because Apple has lawsuits". Or maybe Motorola also develops crystal balls that they can predict the future.

I'm of the opinion that cheerleading for Motorola is a bit hypocritical. You are against "software" patents (which I am) or you are not, software patents aren't suddenly good things because it is used against a company that you hate.

Re:How can this be ? (2)

andydread (758754) | about 2 years ago | (#41035283)

If I remember correctly the whole Motorola vs Apple ordeal or war predicates that of any other cases regarding patents. I personally think it had a lot to do with the fact that Microsoft threaded Motorola with a lawsuit which ended in Motorola taken a license on those patents. Not long after that Motorola sued Apple. So I have a bit of sour taste in my mouth when I see people telling that this is a "defensive" stance or "only because Apple has lawsuits". Or maybe Motorola also develops crystal balls that they can predict the future. I'm of the opinion that cheerleading for Motorola is a bit hypocritical. You are against "software" patents (which I am) or you are not, software patents aren't suddenly good things because it is used against a company that you hate.

Hello! Apple was threatening to SUE Motorola over swipe to unlock and others right when Microsoft threaned to sue them over FAT and ActiveSync. Motorolla fired back with actual litigation against the agressors. Please stop spreading misinformation.

Re:How can this be ? (4, Insightful)

jbolden (176878) | about 2 years ago | (#41035591)

I'm of the opinion that cheerleading for Motorola is a bit hypocritical. You are against "software" patents (which I am) or you are not, software patents aren't suddenly good things because it is used against a company that you hate.

There is nothing hypocritical about taking multiple factors into account in your moral judgements. You may generally be opposed to shooting strangers but think that such things are acceptable in war or in defense of your home. I'm normally against locking people in cages, but totally in favor of it when it comes to most murderers.

Life is a series of situations and what is acceptable in some situations is not in others. In this case one of the main reasons people hate Apple is because of their use of software patents. Having a policy where a company that attempts to use software patents finds itself suffering a PR hit and paying out much more heavily than they collect is not a bad outcome.

Best defence (1)

roman_mir (125474) | about 2 years ago | (#41035095)

Best defence is good offence,
and this clearly makes sense.

Patents, copyrights, government protection of all of these things, what can possibly go wrong?

Re:How can this be ? (1)

jimicus (737525) | about 2 years ago | (#41035163)

It's not quite as clear-cut as that. Apple is the most visible aggressor - well, certainly the one reported most on sites like /. - but the entire mobile phone industry is a great big mess of everyone suing everyone else, and has been for a couple of years now.

Re:How can this be ? (3, Insightful)

jbolden (176878) | about 2 years ago | (#41035599)

Yes but prior to Apple's involvement the tradition was a lot of cross licensing agreements. I like Apple, but they started this war.

Re:How can this be ? (4, Insightful)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | about 2 years ago | (#41034943)

Google is good and would never sue anyone. I guess they are just looking for some more FRAND abuse smackdown.

Defensive (or even retaliatory) litigation is not looked at as unkindly as patent trolling (or other common abuses of the patent system)

Google will learn this is the worst 12.5b anyone ever spent.

Uh-huh. Google's a pretty smart company, I recollect the number of slashdot armchair analysts who say they'd regret the price they paid for youtube. I think the MM buy is going to work out just as well for them.

Re:How can this be ? (1)

rgbrenner (317308) | about 2 years ago | (#41035117)

You're bringing up Youtube?! Why?

They paid 1.65 billion for it in 2006, and only in July 2012 (in the earnings call that Page missed) did Google say Youtube was finally profitable. And they refused to say by how much.

So 6 years have passed.. they still haven't earned back their money.

And you're saying: Motorola is going to work out because Youtube worked out? Is that some kind of joke?

Re:How can this be ? (2)

Dodgy G33za (1669772) | about 2 years ago | (#41035279)

It is not all about profit. Youtube is one of the most recognised brands in the world. In this space Earnings Per Share mean much less than market presence.

Re:How can this be ? (1)

rgbrenner (317308) | about 2 years ago | (#41035301)

lol... thanks for that.. needed a laugh for today. If that's the standard, then I guess Google is already successful with Motorola. Good job Google!

Re:How can this be ? (1)

elashish14 (1302231) | about 2 years ago | (#41035581)

Would that logic suggest that MS should have already killed the Xbox and their entire online division?

It can be like this: (5, Insightful)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 2 years ago | (#41034955)

"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Appleâ(TM)s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. Iâ(TM)m going to destroy Android, because itâ(TM)s a stolen product. Iâ(TM)m willing to go thermonuclear war on this."

"I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, thatâ(TM)s all I want."
- Steve Jobs

Looks like Google's taken them up on the offer for war since the new Dictator is carrying out the same stupid plan. Hopefully this mutually assured destruction will get Apple to pull it's head out of it's ass. You don't stay rich giving all your money to lawyers. Would you simply acquiescing to the asshole's irrational demands? I wouldn't either.

Re:It can be like this: (4, Insightful)

John Hasler (414242) | about 2 years ago | (#41035151)

Steve Jobs: ...stop using our ideas in Android...

Patents protect inventions, not ideas. Inventions and ideas are not the same thing.

Re:It can be like this: (2)

Kohath (38547) | about 2 years ago | (#41035325)

Can I interest you in a standardized character set? UTF-8 perhaps? Or Unicode?

Re:It can be like this: (1)

Celarent Darii (1561999) | about 2 years ago | (#41035417)

Slashdot doesn't work with unicode. Even copy/paste is a mess.

I know, for a tech site, this is unpardonable. Even redneck forum software works with utf-8 but the owners of slashdot can't even pony up to pay for professional code... I wonder if any of that ad revenue goes into infrastructure.

Re:How can this be ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41034973)

It is probably a move to get back at apple for suing the #1 hardware manufacturer for Google's operating system and trying to cost Google billions of dollars and potential customers.

Re:How can this be ? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035143)

I dunno, I think it is Apple who will ultimately regret their strategy.

Even if you think Apple have brought a lot to the mobile phone space you have to acknowledge they are depending on an awful lot of other peoples IP. Pre Apple (and still between other companies) IP issues in the mobile space seem to have been handled fairly amicably. Companies competed with their products, not lawsuits. Then Apple walks in, uses everybody else's IP but is incredibly unfriendly with their own.

I think this is a mistake for two reasons.

1) Outside identified FRAND patents all these other companies with years of mobile experience will inevitably have patents on things Apple does in iPhones and IPads.
2) Apple grows it's business by entering and disrupting existing markets. The existing mobile phone companies were perhaps asleep at the wheel in allowing Apple to get a foot in the door. They just viewed them as another competitor and thought they'd continue to do business the old way. No other market will make that mistake now. If Apple try to expand into a new market now then existing players will surely note their litigious nature and preemptively use whatever legal means are available to stop them getting a foot in the door.

Apple went "nuclear" without realizing what that means. You can use them if no one else also has nuclear capability or you can sit on them as a deterrent if other people do. By deploying their weapons Apple has ensured that every other company will feel it necessary to use theirs too (and in future, perhaps first).

Re:How can this be ? (2)

elashish14 (1302231) | about 2 years ago | (#41035559)

I guess they are just looking for some more FRAND abuse smackdown.

Just because these are FRAND patents doesn't mean you don't have to license them. My understanding is that Apple is basically the only manufactuer that doesn't license these patents.

What I don't understand is why Apple expects others to respect patents to shapes and colors while the radio technology in their phones isn't worth their dime.

Wow. OH WOW! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41034907)

If this were to succeed, just imagine the economic impact.

First, the Web 2.0 would collapse. Without Apple devices to participate in all sorts of useless "social media", the entire hipster culture would implode. This means Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, reddit and all of the other big names would be no more. (As a side-effect, there'd also be no further need for Ruby on Rails "developers" and NoSQL "experts" to build these kind of sites.)

If these hipsters aren't wasting time on web sites like those, or on trying to build the "next big startup", then they won't need to be sitting in Starbucks all day. Starbucks and its ilk could very well become the next victims!

Now you've got roving bands of hipsters on the loose, suffering severe withdrawal symptoms due to not having Apple devices in their possession, AND not having had any choco-latte-mochachinos lately. In uncontrolled outbursts, they lash out at their trust fund administrators. Stricken with fear after dealing with numerous crazed hipsters, these administrators flee their jobs, causing the financial sector to collapse into ruin.

The financial sector collapse causes economic ruin across the nation. There is no employment, imports eventually trail off, and people starve to death. Entire communities disappear, and their infrastructure crumbles. The country is destroyed.

Re:Wow. OH WOW! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41034965)

did you go to the *AA school of economics? ;)

This is on par with the MPAAs report that claimed piracy harmed US corn farmers by way of reduced popcorn sales in cinemas.

Re:Wow. OH WOW! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035007)

I hadn't considered that. You know, right up until the last paragraph it all sounded like a good idea.

Re:Wow. OH WOW! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035037)

I'm sorry for whining about something like this as AC, but the word hipster is being greatly over- and mis-used. Please get off that soap box and remove that tack from your chair and quit whining about people who wear skinny jeans and choose to buy expensive brand name things for the status of it. They will always exist and will just take different forms. It's ok, that's just life.

Re:Wow. OH WOW! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035123)

They would all just move to Google+ It's kinda like Facebook, but newer and hipper. You've probably never heard of it, but it's the next big thing. Hey, wanna come check out my roommates band?

Re:Wow. OH WOW! (1)

davidbrit2 (775091) | about 2 years ago | (#41035131)

So it's like Children of the Corn, but with more entitlement.

Re:Wow. OH WOW! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035199)

If this were to succeed, just imagine the economic impact.

I know an old lady who swallowed a fly...

Re:Wow. OH WOW! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035221)

And nothing of value was lost...

Re:Wow. OH WOW! (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#41035261)

there's plenty of other devices besides apples.

web2.0 was coined to mean something else too than what you're thinking of, it's something more like internet^3 we're at now.

Re:Wow. OH WOW! (1)

ebinrock (1877258) | about 2 years ago | (#41035337)

In the words of George Carlin, "Calm down, have some dip."

Sit back and enjoy the show (4, Funny)

tsa (15680) | about 2 years ago | (#41034909)

I have some beer and chips left from the Samsung vs Apple case. But I'll buy a new couch for this one!

Re:Sit back and enjoy the show (1)

Anon8---) (1981904) | about 2 years ago | (#41034993)

Got space for more ? I'll bring some snacks and funny looking hats to cheer these guys on !

Re:Sit back and enjoy the show (1)

someones (2687911) | about 2 years ago | (#41035465)

Count me in!
I will bring some hamburgers!

The specifics sound reasonable, but... (2)

QilessQi (2044624) | about 2 years ago | (#41034921)

...the headline is all that anyone is going to read (here and elsewhere). And it's not good PR for Google.

Re:The specifics sound reasonable, but... (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#41035481)

It's great PR for Google. Nobody likes a bully and they love the underdog fighting back. Especially when it looks like it's happening in the ninth inning.

In other news Apple is banning Android devices (1)

muon-catalyzed (2483394) | about 2 years ago | (#41034923)

So this is just a retaliatory action by Google. Some great court showdown is gonna happen soon, Apple is likely to unite with Microsoft, Adobe, Oracle against their arch enemy Google. So this is gonna be fun to watch.

Re:In other news Apple is banning Android devices (3, Interesting)

Targon (17348) | about 2 years ago | (#41034951)

I can see Microsoft and others going with Google as well in this case, since hurting Apple would help EVERYONE. Apple is like the Chinese government in trying to control all the people within its sphere of control and force them to do things the way it wants. The "you MUST go through the iTunes store and pay us 30 percent" crap should really be investigated by the various government departments for violations of the law.

Re:In other news Apple is banning Android devices (1)

Dr Modesto (1004773) | about 2 years ago | (#41035087)

Apple and Microsoft don't fight. They already have cross licensing deals in place. I've always wondered why Apple didn't take it's cash pile and discount macbooks to put a big dent into PC sales.

Re:In other news Apple is banning Android devices (3, Interesting)

teg (97890) | about 2 years ago | (#41035211)

Apple and Microsoft don't fight. They already have cross licensing deals in place. I've always wondered why Apple didn't take it's cash pile and discount macbooks to put a big dent into PC sales.

Because Apple want to earn money doing so - they keep increasing their market share already, and they want to keep their brand identity - premium products at a premium price, with industry leading design. They don't want to become another Dell.

Re:In other news Apple is banning Android devices (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035115)

I can see Microsoft and others going with Google as well in this case, since hurting Apple would help EVERYONE. Apple is like the Chinese government in trying to control all the people within its sphere of control and force them to do things the way it wants. The "you MUST go through the iTunes store and pay us 30 percent" crap should really be investigated by the various government departments for violations of the law.

But Microsoft want to do the same with their store. Microsoft don't want to defeat Apple, they want to BE Apple. So no, Google is not their natural ally.

Re:In other news Apple is banning Android devices (5, Interesting)

Snowhare (263311) | about 2 years ago | (#41034959)

Yep. This is Google explaining to Apple that they aren't the only one with patents. The monster patent portfolios of all the big players have exist in part to deter other large players from launching patent wars. It is a form of 'Mutually Assured Destruction'. Apple went nuclear starting a couple of years ago. Google (and other large players) are now launching their counter-strikes to demonstrate to Apple why it is a bad idea.

If Apple has any sense (more likely now that Steve Jobs is gone) they will begin quietly trying to wind down the patent wars.

Enough with the patent lawsuit madness! (1)

msobkow (48369) | about 2 years ago | (#41034933)

Isn't it about time that the patent trolls, legitimite patent holders, and the whole litigation industry built up around them were pimp-slapped into realizing that patents are not business models.

Re:Enough with the patent lawsuit madness! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41034945)

Isn't it about time that the patent trolls, legitimite patent holders, and the whole litigation industry built up around them were pimp-slapped into realizing that patents are not business models.

Of course, and the easiest way to accomplish this is to bring in full patent apocalyse.
If Google is granted an import ban on all thing i-apple, see how quick congress will start fixing the system.
The remedy could end up worse than the illness, but hey anything is better than the status quo.

End Software Patents (1)

sqrt(2) (786011) | about 2 years ago | (#41034947)

Just get rid of software patents. Get rid of them entirely. Invalidate all the current ones and stop issuing new software patents. They are essentially patents on math and certain long numbers, which is absurd.

Re:End Software Patents (1)

Vintermann (400722) | about 2 years ago | (#41035029)

There'd still be design patents and "trade dress", which Apple has used to harm Samsung recently. Not to mention that the patents Samsung (and now Motorola) are retaliating with are hardware patents.

Re:End Software Patents (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035257)

Of course Google is expressing a software patent and Apple is expressing a design patent in this case. Should we also throw out the design patents as well?

Renege on a deal with the State of Illinois? (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | about 2 years ago | (#41034975)

I read the linked article. I don't see anywhere in it where it talks about a deal being reneged on. I only saw they they were going to loose some of their tax breaks.

Re:Renege on a deal with the State of Illinois? (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | about 2 years ago | (#41035013)

That tax break was probably the deal. They likely had to negotiate for it, and now they're saying nevermind.

Re:Renege on a deal with the State of Illinois? (1)

John Hasler (414242) | about 2 years ago | (#41035215)

Read the article. There is no "reneging". They've chosen to forgo the tax break, as provided for in the "deal". No company could enter into a contract requiring them to employ 2500 Chicago residents forever.

Pass the popcorn around (4, Interesting)

dell623 (2021586) | about 2 years ago | (#41034979)

"seven Motorola Mobility patents on features including location reminders, e-mail notification and phone/video players" -- doesn't sound very standards essential to me.

Maybe the thought of not being able to buy iPads and iPhones will wake up the U.S. to how badly screwed up the patent system is? Or maybe that thought will stop ITC from treating the case the same way it has treated cases against MotoGoogle.

The gloves are really off, the floodgates are open, the fat is on the fire etc. Although Google inherited cases from Motorola, this is the first time Google has directly sued Apple. Google has been reticent to take on Apple directly but they don't have much choice left now.

Interestingly, probably the sole patent victory for any Android manufacturer has been the ban on push e-mail from iCloud on Apple devices won by MotoGoogle, which still exists: http://www.tuaw.com/2012/04/13/apple-still-blocked-from-using-push-email-in-germany/ [tuaw.com]

It is possible that a similar patent is among those involved here. Maybe the Motorola purchase wasn't as useless as Florian Muller makes it out to be...

Re:Pass the popcorn around (2)

jimicus (737525) | about 2 years ago | (#41035225)

Although Google inherited cases from Motorola, this is the first time Google has directly sued Apple. Google has been reticent to take on Apple directly but they don't have much choice left now.

I suspect Google wanted to take Apple on directly. After all, if Android develops a reputation of being a great smartphone platform provided you don't mind Apple keeping you in court until shortly after the heat death of the universe, it becomes substantially less attractive.

The problem is, as Google previously didn't manufacture any mobile phones - and were I to hazard a guess, probably didn't hold very many patents relevant to the industry - they didn't have grounds to go on the offensive.

Big money, big fun, big girls (1)

ProfessorChaos111 (2676317) | about 2 years ago | (#41035017)

ahh man that was so weird to read, but kinda satisfying to finally see apple get a taste of its own medicine.

Where do you get "renege" from? (5, Informative)

John Hasler (414242) | about 2 years ago | (#41035125)

The article says that if they retain 2500 then they get the tax breaks: if they don't, they don't. They've clearly decided that the extra payroll isn't worth the breaks so they have chosen to give them up. That's the deal. Nothing is being "reneged" on. They are complying with the agreement.

IMHO such deals should not exist, but that's a seperate issue.

this is when (1)

robbie73 (2650527) | about 2 years ago | (#41035183)

the ice cream licks back.

working blue (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 2 years ago | (#41035237)

This reminds me of the line from the film Raging Bull by Martin Scorsese when Robert DeNiro, playing boxer Jake LaMotta, tells a thug, "Why don't I put the two of ya's in the ring together and watch you fuck each other?"

He was referring to a comment repeated that LaMotta's opponent was "pretty" because he hadn't taken hits to the face. LaMotta had responded "Yeah, he's so pretty I don't know whether to fight him or fuck him" and the thug had thought this was funny enough to repeat.

I don't know exactly what this has to do with the story of Apple and Google except it's amusing to see these two giants who ought to be fighting one another with honest competition trying to fuck each other with the same patent laws that are being used to fuck all of us.

Who is evil now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035267)

I love many of the services google provides, but they were no less evil than any other corporation. Now if only people would wake up and realize large public corporations all give in to this behavior. It's how the game is played. Some corporations are more aggressive than others, but they all do it.

Re:Who is evil now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035371)

I love many of the services google provides, but they were no less evil than any other corporation. Now if only people would wake up and realize large public corporations all give in to this behavior. It's how the game is played.

Some corporations are more aggressive than others, but they all do it.

What a load of bullshit. I don't remember Nokia going nuclear on Rim or other smartphone producers before Apple entered the mobile market. Apple is a shit company, from top to bottom. They are shit in the pc space, and they continue their tradition of being shit in the mobile space. If Google manages to bring Apple back to earth it will be a victory for consumers at large (and not only for i-tards).

Re:Who is evil now? (2)

amoeba1911 (978485) | about 2 years ago | (#41035397)

Really?? Google's evil now because they're defending Android? Apple has been nothing but asshole towards all competition, filing countless frivolous lawsuits, finally Google stands up to say "have a taste of your own medicine" and that makes Google evil? Lame.

Google is probably just about as evil as Apple, but not for fighting back.

Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035463)

so i was wondering, when investors hear this news are thinking of tech like a future commodity? Are they buying and selling futures based upon information and not the company itself? It seems to me that when lawsuits became a source of revenue it no longer became about the company and products/services but the future impact of, in this case, an apple ban.

Google is fucked. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41035519)

Apple has been playing hardball. Google's market cap is only like $220B. Apple, a much smaller company, now has a market cap of $600B+, and has $110B in cash. By the time this case gets moving, Apple will be able to buy Google lock, stock and barrel without breaking a sweat, and could conceivably close Google's doors and still weather the antitrust suits that would undoubtedly follow. Google might gain some ground in this battle with this case... they might, but they will lose the war. Whomever has more money wins every single time.

Patent troll? (1)

mbone (558574) | about 2 years ago | (#41035557)

What do you want to bet that Google bought Motorola purely to do this - i.e., that they don't really care about making the hardware, and so are willing to gut Motorola,in order to sue Apple ?

Note that much of the Internet runs on RAND, and RAND terms can always be dropped against your attacker if you get sued. Look for a major countersuit from Apple.

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