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Apple Removes Gay Cure App From App Store

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the bending-to-pressure dept.

Iphone 917

recoiledsnake writes "Apple has removed the Gay Cure app after the pressure on Apple to remove the app started to snowball, culminating in an online petition initiated by Change.org which collected over 140,000 online signatures from people who wanted the app removed. Searching for the app now yields zero search results and Exodus International President Alan Chambers tweeted the following on Tuesday night. 'It's official, the @ExodusInl App is no longer in the @AppStore. Incredibly disappointing. Watch out, it could happen to you. #freedom' Gay Cure isn't the first app Apple has removed for touting an anti-homosexual philosophy. Apple back in November removed an app called the Manhattan Declaration which advocated the dignity of marriage as the union of one man and one woman." I don't think Apple should have banned it: they should have just packaged it with an app to cure bigotry.

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App to cure Bigotry. (3, Funny)

Sonny Yatsen (603655) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585814)

I don't think Apple should have banned it: they should have just packaged it with an App to cure Bigotry.

Isn't there a 10 day waiting period required for that app?

mixed feelings and abstract hate. (5, Insightful)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585918)

On the one hand, it's offensive and Apple has a previous precedent of banning things it deems controversial. Despite complaints and a few inconsistency it seems like they reasonably adhere to this. Which is good since even if you disagree with the policy, at least you can more or less expect what will happen if you push it. Thus I was surprised when this got approved.

on the other hand, if all it takes is a petition to remove an app then boy is that a bad precedent to set. Consider how the SF library system in the mid 80s bolderized mary popins to remove the uncultured ebonics of the black maid because they deemed it portrayed black women badly. One can go on. but everything pisses some group off. That in fact was the rationale Ray Bradbury gave for writing Farenheight 451. All books offend so burn them all.

And when I think about it, what do I care if there is a gay cure app? I'm not planning on buying it. If you think about it, the urge to ban that app is pretty aligned with the urge to write that app. that is, the writer of the app is probably concerned about what gay people might be doing in bed behind closed doors but he will never encouter that himself. and the people offended by it will never buy that app. yet both want to eliminate things that abstractly bother them

Re:mixed feelings and abstract hate. (3, Insightful)

AndyAndyAndyAndy (967043) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586082)

Pretty much, yeah. The fact that it (was) there didn't matter to me - it wasn't a concern. But now that it's gone, there's a certain measure of "yeah, take that, you bigots," belying the fact that it's just another increment towards "Apple's Internet," which is different from Android's, Comcast's, Etc. "Walled gardens" might mean something after all. I guess you gotta go with the best one... does cleaning up bigotry (bending to the pressure) count in their favor or not?

Re:mixed feelings and abstract hate. (5, Insightful)

johnlcallaway (165670) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586092)

Really ... it's offensive? Funny, I have to put up with all the crap about losing weight and stop smoking and drinking and taking drugs. All of those comments and ads treat me as a second class citizen, as if something is wrong with me. How would you like to turn on the TV and see ads telling you what how awful you are because you smoke or are overweight.

Fortunately, I don't give a frig about what other people think, and live my life the way I want to. Sure, I try to loose weight. But I refuse to stop enjoying a cigar and glass of bourbon now and then, and the even rarer toke.

Maybe people need to stop being so freakin' sensitive. It's OK for others to think one's behavior is unacceptable. How one handles that opinion is a reflection upon their own traits. Those that tried to ban this app just can't face the fact that a lot of people think homosexual sex is disgusting (well .. just the guy kind anyway).

What's next, a ban on an app that says it's OK to stop picking your nose???

What a bunch of whining babies. If you don't like the app, don't install it.

Re:mixed feelings and abstract hate. (4, Insightful)

Kelbear (870538) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586292)

I have to agree. It bothers me to see a "gay cure" app. But not to the point that I think they should have been banned.

It's certainly contentious, but not outright hostile. However wrong their basis may be, it's implied that the creators are putting that app out to help those who they believe to have a problem.

From an abstract perspective, I feel that the appropriate response for this sort of ignorance would be to enlighten, rather than to censor. It's not helpful to simply stifle those that would disagree with me, the ultimate goal is to show them why they should agree. Shutting them up only hardens their hearts making it more difficult for meaningful discussion.

Should they cross the line into hate speech, then I would see legitimate reasons to censor them, but this was not the case.

Re:mixed feelings and abstract hate. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586222)

Exactly I am sure that a pro-gay life style app offends somebody as well but if that got removed people would throw a fit.

Re:mixed feelings and abstract hate. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586264)

Could you provide a citation for the "Bowlderization" of Mary Poppins by the SF library system? My meager efforts to find online references to this incident have failed so far.

Re:mixed feelings and abstract hate. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586266)

Despite complaints and a few inconsistenc[ies] it seems like they reasonably adhere to this.

So... they reasonably adhere to this, except for the times when they don't, which makes it okay?

Re:App to cure Bigotry. (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586056)

Detects and blackholes messages with certain bible citations, also disables the alarm and ringer between 4AM and noon on sundays, also causes random tones to play on the ringer between 10 pm saturday and 4am sunday

gay troll of gamers asside) (0, Offtopic)

Weezul (52464) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586224)

Aww man, I'm envisioning the ultimate troll of gamer culture here :

You first write the most bad ass multiplayer online first person shooter ever. It involves ever so slight roleplaying elements that reward users who play online enough with single player missions that actually carry a compelling plot. Yet, all that plot revolves around a gay man seeking revenge against a homophobic skinhead gang that murdered his lover. All the gay guys are really buff while all the skinheads are strung out skanks. In fact, you end up seducing one or two secretly gay skinheads to further your progress.

You might however claim your initial Teen ESRB by avoiding most sexual themes, gamboling, etc. After the initial T release, you begin adding completely benign online missions that's necessary for further advancment that clarify the character's homosexuality and revenge motive. Again, nothing overtly sexual that might elevate a legitimate rating above Teen, but obviously the shit will hit the fan once all the gamers realize they're playing a gay guy. After that shit settles down, you finally add an explicitly romantic seduction mission, but still suppress all explicit sex. Is innuendo still rated T? I donno, maybe. And lastly you add a "directors cut" online mission that provides your character with training for the phallic looking rail gun BFG, but only extremely good online player can reach, and involves gay sex cut scene.

Epic Win!! :)

Re:gay troll of gamers asside) (1)

havokca (1864454) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586290)

so DNF in chaps on rollerblades?

You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (1, Flamebait)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585816)

I knew a guy once who claimed to be one of those "reformed" gay men. Still acted effeminate, still loved musicals, still had a house with incredible interior design. But I guess because he managed to catch himself every time he looked at another dude's ass and found a wife willing to believe that he loved vagina, he magically had become a heterosexual. But he still went "antiquing," so apparently Jesus had only led him *part* of the way to heterosexuality. Yay!

I suppose I could convince myself I loved dick if I was motivated and deluded enough. But deluding myself still wouldn't make another man's hairy ass any more attractive. And it sure as shit wouldn't make me want to go antiquing. It would just make me a heterosexual in denial.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35585854)

This post is significantly more offensive than the app in question.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (0, Troll)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585890)

Actually the post isn't offensive at all. You simpleminded over-sensitivity is offensive!

The app should have stayed up because it did not denigrate or attack anyone, it just spoke to a point of view. Those too sensitive to allow an opposing viewpoint need to grow up.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (5, Insightful)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586074)

Actually, yes, the post is offensive because it promulgates a stereotype of homosexuality - that it is all about being feminine and obsessing about interior design, or that liking musicals is a sign of being gay. I don't care about the app. If someone isn't comfortable with their sexuality and wants to try and shift it around a bit, that's their business. But re-enforcing stereotypes and caricatures of homosexuality affects actual homosexuals.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586192)

As I indicated to another poster below, I'll be sure and let him know when I see him again that you think he's being a stereotype, and that you disapprove. If you could provide a list of acceptable behaviors for a (former) gay man I could pass that along too, if you like.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (3, Interesting)

DamonHD (794830) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585868)

At least your stereotype manages nearly two whole dimensions...

Rgds

Damon

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35585948)

It's not a stereotype if it's a description of one person who happens to be real (and happens to fit American society's stereotype of gay men AS SEEN ON TV). My take from GP's post is that you are who you are and trying to closet yourself by means of denial is pretty sad and won't entirely work anyway.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (0)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586042)

Calling something a stereotype is not the same as calling something untrue. That's a distinction that's been lost since the advent of political correctness, and a Harrison Bergeron culture where we try to deny all our differences instead of acknowledging them. Every group in this country isn't a blank slate. We have preferences and ideas that set us apart.

But if you want to pretend that any given gay men are just as likely to like sports as musical theater, I'm certainly not stopping you.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (1)

Stenchwarrior (1335051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585874)

Posting to undo my 'overrated' mod. Was going for 'Funny' and slipped....

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35585954)

There was a comedian ( I think it was Jeff Foxworthy ) who came up with bit he called "Either you're gay, or you're married"

His examples include:

"If you can't remember the last time you had sex with a woman, you're either gay, or married."
"If you've ever been antique shopping during a big football game, you're either gay, or married."

Entirely relevant and likely applies here.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (1)

slim (1652) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586190)

"If you've ever been antique shopping during a big football game, you're either gay, or married."

Hmm, I never used to watch football, until I had a girlfriend who insisted upon it.

Way to be ignorant... (2)

acidfast7 (551610) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585962)

I have a house with incredible interior design and sparsely filled with designer furniture. Does that make me gay ... I hope not? I hope not, maybe I should tell me wife. It just means that I have a distinct appreciation for something that you can't comprehend (it has a few pieces by Eames and Jacobson with a few LC2s and LC4s mixed in ... for those interested).

Re:Way to be ignorant... (2)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586102)

I have a house with incredible interior design and sparsely filled with designer furniture. Does that make me gay

Only if you want to have sex with other men.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35585968)

Score 2 *Insightful* - regardless of the intended purpose of the parent, what it does show is that Slashdot is, on average, full of bigoted morons.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (1)

Sonny Yatsen (603655) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586060)

A score 2 "Insightful" means that 1 person thought it was insightful (in the case of a logged in user who starts with a +1 score). How 1 person being a "bigoted moron", as you say, shows that Slashdot, on average, is full of bigoted morons is beyond me.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586122)

And full of commenters who miss the point.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (5, Insightful)

nyctopterus (717502) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586002)

Dude, acting effeminate, loving musicals, having a house with incredible interior design and going antiquing are not being gay. Loving the cock and not the vagina is. So why should the guy change his personality just because he managed to change his sexual preferences? (And just to be clear, I don't think for a second that he did manage that.) You're being bigoted.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (0)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586114)

Next time I see him, I'll let him know that you think he's being a stereotype.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586148)

I don't know why people think sexual preferences can't change over time. Of course they can. It's as if the very concept that a transition from homosexuality to heterosexuality, or back, is considered bigotry.

I imagine it's because of the intense desire to classify sexual orientation as hardwired, genetic... even though it's uncertain that is the case. Now... this app is probably ridiculous, ineffective, and driven by bigotry; I'm not defending it, other than that I hate to see any app banned.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (1)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586010)

"Antiquing"? Is this a "euphemism", or just what it says?

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586044)

>>>Still acted effeminate, still loved musicals, still had a house with incredible interior design... he still went "antiquing,"

I do a lot of that.
Doesn't mean I'm gay.
You need to stop stereotyping what homosexuality means (IMHO) or that being straight means you don't share "effeminate" interests like love of musicals or art.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (1)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586212)

Nope, he stereotypes what gay means. Don't mix (homo)sexuality into this! ;-)

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586068)

"Watch out, it could happen to you."

Homer: He didn't give you gay, did he? Did he?

People are idiots. Homer isn't real, but he is very representative.. anyone who "becomes" gay isn't having anything happen other than them just accepting their preferences.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (1)

havokca (1864454) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586144)

I think that's his point. That if you *are* gay, the act of *becoming* straight is likely a lie. Subjecting people to massive amounts of peer pressure in an attempt to get them to "see the error of their ways" is only likely to result in marriages that are more dysfunctional than the average, and a person who's playing the part, but is likely very unhappy.

Re:You can remove the gay, but not the FABULOUS! (2)

soupforare (542403) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586090)

Still acted effeminate, still loved musicals, still had a house with incredible interior design.

Are you sure he wasn't just English?

Makes sense. (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585842)


Why would Apple want the vast bulk of their customer base cured?

(I jest, big Apple fan here.)

Re:Makes sense. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35585876)

Why would Apple want the vast bulk of their customer base cured?

(I jest, big Apple fan here.)

Exactly! If Apple users started using that app, we'd see Apple sales plummet and then they're stock price!

No sir! As an Apple stockholder, I want more gay people in the World!!!

I think, there should be apps for show tunes appreciation, interior design, and jazz dancing. Gotta increase our user base!!!

Re:Makes sense. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35585998)

"If Apple users started using that app, we'd see Apple sales plummet and then they're stock price! "
That was the hidden punchline of the GPP I think...

Re:Makes sense. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586108)

jazz music isn't gay. but the modern jazz lifestyle has very homo tendancies. besides if apple cured gay people wouldn't that cure the aids epidemic?.....wait that would be a good thing right?

Re:Makes sense. (1)

slim (1652) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586238)

jazz music isn't gay. but the modern jazz lifestyle has very homo tendancies.

Spending all day practising the vibraphone, then in the evening going to a club to play it in front of an audience?

Re:Makes sense. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586180)

and then they're stock price!

OMG, they are stock price?!?!!

Re:Makes sense. (1, Funny)

Woogiemonger (628172) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586048)

Why would Apple want the vast bulk of their customer base cured? (I jest, big Apple fan here.)

While there's plenty you can fairly point out wrong with Apple, there's nothing wrong with being gay. I know it was in good humor, and you might very well have gay friends, but comments like this propagate prejudice. The Slashdot community's certainly got its problems, but we're better than this.

Re:Makes sense. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586202)

As a gay man, I find any suggestion of liking Apple products offensive - if I wanted shiny, overhyped, mass produced crap I'd be straight.

there must me another way (1)

antivoid (751399) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585846)

thanks apple, now how are we gonna cure all the gay people?

Re:there must me another way (1)

Stenchwarrior (1335051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585878)

Jesus will do it, don't worry.

Re:there must me another way (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585888)

Ludovico treatment + John Carpenter film festival = straight

How it worked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35585872)

The app must have removed all apple products from the user ...

What about the Anti-religion app? (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585880)

Or the Anti-Bible app? Was that removed too? If yes then Apple is being consistent, but if not then they are not.

Hypocrisy (3, Insightful)

Patrick May (305709) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585886)

Everyone complains about Apple's tight control over what apps can be installed -- until that power is used to ban an app they disagree with. Sure it's a bigoted, ridiculous app. But just who's phone is it?

Re:Hypocrisy (-1)

chemicaldave (1776600) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585942)

According to the EULA it's theirs.

Re:Hypocrisy (3)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586132)

Please point to the paragraph in the EULA [apple.com] where it says this. Or are you just karma whoring ?

Re:Hypocrisy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586172)

But just who's phone is it?

Yours.

But just whose appstore is it?
Apple's.

I'm sure they could release it on Cydia instead.

Re:Hypocrisy (0)

Guspaz (556486) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586248)

But just who's phone is it?

Unless you paid full price for it, your carrier's. On day one, you paid $299 out of $779 for that phone.

If you lease a car, it isn't yours either, and the repo man can take it back if you don't play by the rules.

Re:Hypocrisy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586272)

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Public Accomodations? (5, Insightful)

SHP (8391) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585900)

So Visa/Mastercard can turn you away if they don't like your politics. Apple can turn you away if they don't like your ideology. What's next? And does this bother anyone besides me? Could it not be argued that things like card payment services and the iPhone platform are public accommodations that should be open to all on a non-discriminatory basis? If not, we risk granting de facto censorship ability to private organizations, relinquishing a substantial part of the freedom gained over the past few hundred years. This concerns me.

And yes, I would feel the same way regardless of the beliefs and ideologies being rejected. Freedom is freedom, regardless of one's beliefs.
 

Re:Public Accomodations? (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586050)

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. And whatever they do Slashdot will be there to bitch about it.

Re:Public Accomodations? (1)

revscat (35618) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586140)

I'm on the fence.

On the one hand, it seems like you are making a slippery slope argument. "If they do this today, then tomorrow it will be worse." Things don't always work out that way, although they certainly do with a fair amount of frequency.

On the other hand, corporations do have the lion's share of power in reflecting and shaping social norms. This makes me uncomfortable as well.

Regardless, I think Apple did the right thing in this specific case. Groups like this one have incredibly harmful affects, indirectly (and sometimes directly) leading to suicide, depression, and various other social problems.

Re:Public Accomodations? (5, Interesting)

johnlcallaway (165670) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586178)

I fully support Apple's right to ban the app. Since I don't approve of their ban (both now and in the past), I don't buy Apple products.

See how that works????

You have the freedom to decide what crap to buy, and the owners of Apple have the freedom to decide what crap they want to sell. Your selfish desire for more freedom is at the cost of taking it away from someone else.

Rename the app.... (5, Interesting)

787style (816008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585902)

In all seriousness, why take this down? The only people who would legitimately download this are people who are uncomfortable with being homosexual (for whatever reason - I wouldn't, but there may be some). Why would you want to deny those people that opportunity? It may not be society or their family that pressures them to want to be heterosexual - it could be individual free will. I can totally get why the word "Cure" would be offensive - that would insinuate that being gay is a disease. Rename the app to something more PC, but I don't think pulling the app is correct.

DISCLAIMER

I have several gay members of my family, have no discontent or ill will toward them - LOVE THEM TO DEATH. Do NOT believe that gay is a disease. My point is simply about choice.

Re:Rename the app.... (1, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586084)

would you support an apple app that said instead of getting vaccinations, just hold the iphone to your forehead for 5 minutes while the app is running?

of course you wouldn't because its not a replacement for vaccinations, in fact its worse

the same thing with a "cure" for homosexuality. there is no cure for homosexuality, nor does there need to be one. the point being, this app is a waste of time, and wastes the time of the closeted homosexual who is ashamed of his identity. he has to get over his shame and come out of the closet. no app will "cure" him, ever

so its not about free speech, the same way what jenny mccarthy does with vaccination is not free speech: its dangerous. in jenny mccarthy's case, it results in kids getting sick and dying because she convinced them not to get vaccinated. in this apple app's instance, it convinces closeted homosexuals who are depressed and distraught as it is, and keeps them buried in the closet, prolonging the period in which something psychologically awful might happen

the point is that homosexuality needs to be accepted, so homosexuals can come out of the closet, for the sake of their psychological well-being. its not about free speech when the free speech in issue is just ignorant intolerance that results in psychological damage, or worse (homophobic attacks, encouraged by the anti-homosexual hate speech of the ignorant)

Re:Rename the app.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586160)

It's not the same thing, you frocking troll. I bet you

Re:Rename the app.... (1)

787style (816008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586184)

Again, as I mentioned - what if the person doesn't have shame?

The vaccination argument holds true to a point. We are discussing a psychological change tho,not a physical one. There is considerably less harm with this app, then say...an app with instructions on making Colloidal water. Colloidal water can physically turn you blue. Forever. Will that app be banned?

Re:Rename the app.... (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586270)

would you support an apple app that said instead of getting vaccinations, just hold the iphone to your forehead for 5 minutes while the app is running?

of course you wouldn't because its not a replacement for vaccinations, in fact its worse

The app didn't pretend to cure homosexuality, it provided information about the organization that pretends they can.

Re:Rename the app.... (2)

Grizzley9 (1407005) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586284)

the point being, this app is a waste of time

That could easily be said for over 100k apps currently in the app store. That's not a reason to remove them.

Re:Rename the app.... (3, Insightful)

BetterSense (1398915) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586154)

I agree. I guess I just don't see what's so offensive about this. It's not like they forced anyone to use this app. What harm could this app possibly cause anyone? I agree that it seems a bit strange to me, but anyone who would purchase this app can be assumed to be interested in using it. If nobody wants it, and there really are no gay people that are interested in using this kind of thing, then nobody will buy it. It's just not a problem to be fixed. If there ARE people out there who are interested in a "Gay Cure" app, then why wouldn't you want them to have access to it? If you oppose this app you are basically saying "All people with gay tendencies should stay gay, they should be gay and they should like it, because if they did otherwise would crush my worldviews/conflict with the ax I have to grind". I thought that the open minded and undiscriminatory attidude would be to let people be free to explore their sexuality on their own. That IS the goal of the "sexual freedom/equality" crowd, right? Or is their agenda something else (blanket pro-gaydom)?

I just don't understand the mentality of "I am offended that Apple would provide the community at large the opportunity to purchase something that nobody could possibly be interested in because I will not allow the possibility that there might be someone interested in this sort of thing. On top of that, I will actively work to get this app removed so that nobody is able to use it". If you ask me the greater bigots are not the creators of the app, it's the 140,000 who went out of their way to have it removed just because it offended their own delicate sensibilities.

Re:Rename the app.... (2)

the_raptor (652941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586204)

Because you are not allowed to publically question the orthodoxy about sexuality. ie that it is entirely genetic, due to fundamental differences in brain anatomy, and people do not go from straight to gay or vice versa (they might be bi, but society isn't as accepting of that as it is straight homosexuality).

When you actually go and look at the science to support this there is about as much as for political preference being genetic. If you dare to point out that the idea that if it is due to differences in brain anatomy that this means straight male and female brains must differ in fundamental ways get prepared to be lynched.

P.S. For bonus points question the science behind gender reassignment surgery.
P.P.S. This kind of stuff is why I believe there are no dangerous ideologies, just dangerous people.

Re:Rename the app.... (1)

Grizzley9 (1407005) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586252)

The fact that you feel the need to put a large DISCLAIMER at the end of your post is revealing about how ridiculous PC culture is today.

DISCLAIMER
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Private company, these are the breaks (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35585910)

I may not like Apple, but this is the game you play when a single private entity controls a distribution channel.

Granted, I really don't like the app or it's message either. So this is kind of a win/win from my perspective.

Makes me angry I haven't left my church yet. (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35585922)

Seriously.

"Gay Cure"? WTF? "Gay Cure"? WTF? "GAY CURE"? WTF?

"[...]no longer in the @AppStore. Incredibly disappointing.[...]"

WTF??????

I am an atheist. But because of this I'll turn ANTI-THEIST now...

here i go...

CHRISTIANITY IS SUPERIOR TO ALL OTHER RELIGIONS

EVOLUTION IS A DEGENERATE SCIENCE

SIEG HEIL JESUS

there you go, christians... curing gays was worth it, right?

Re:Makes me angry I haven't left my church yet. (1)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586250)

Pot meet kettle. . .

Could YOU be any more intolerant?

Depends on how you look at it (1)

broknstrngz (1616893) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585934)

They didn't remove it from the App Store. They just put it back in the closet.

Slippery Slope (0)

ElementOfDestruction (2024308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585950)

Surely 140,000 seems like a small number relative to the total number of users. For example, it takes 3-10% of the Voting Population's signatures for a petition to even be added to a general election in my state. Given the millions upon millions of iOS users, 140k is an extremely small number to force change. Hate speech is horrendous, but it's still speech. This should not be a victory except for a very small percentage of those who don't value free speech.

Everyone is Bigoted... (-1, Flamebait)

SirAstral (1349985) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585978)

and the people crying "Bigot" the loudest, are only the loudest bigots!

Re:Everyone is Bigoted... (1)

valnar (914809) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586220)

Yep...

The only definition of bigotry is where you draw the dotted line. For some, it's at homosexuality. For others, bestiality or polygamy. Maybe all, maybe none.

I get tired of the Left labeling everyone who disagrees with them as bigots. They are just as bigoted!

Re:Everyone is Bigoted... (1)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586278)

As the leader of the Bigot Anti-Defamation League I take offense at something in your post. I'm not sure what exactly, but I'm sure there is something there that offends me and i want to pre-emptively register my outrage.

It's only right. (5, Funny)

LoyalOpposition (168041) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585986)

I'm EXTREMELY glad they removed that app. I'm sure I speak for all open-minded, freedom-loving people when I say that I don't want anyone exposed to that kind of material.

~Loyal

Re:It's only right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586076)

I'm EXTREMELY glad they removed that app. I'm sure I speak for all open-minded, freedom-loving people when I say that I don't want anyone exposed to that kind of material.

~Loyal

Are you being ironic, deliberately?

Re:It's only right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586134)

I fail to understand how "freedom-loving people" would be "EXTREMELY glad" that an application got banned.

I guess it is only freedom loving if they think the same way as you.

Re:It's only right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586210)

You don't speak for all open minded, freedom loving people.
This only cuts down on freedom by censorship. As has been stated many times in this thread, if people don't want to be exposed to this app, they won't download/pay for it. If they do, then they will. That is choice and freedom.
That's the thing with freedom. It's not nice and fluffy. It's actually full of irritation, trouble and compromise (as everyone is free, not just you). You'll be exposed to lots of things you don't want to be exposed to by the very nature of being liberated. The idea of freedom is that it's supposed to breed a mentality that is robust enough to deal with this, and winnow away the stuff that "Really Matters (TM)" from the chaff that is just irritating.
However, what seems to be happening is that a vocal minority seem to think that yelling loudly about being offended should trump someone else's freedoms. And if enough groups do that, then everything becomes deemed offensive, thus disallowed, leaving nobody free.
I have to say, I'm not of a mind that lauds that app (several gay friends), but I don't see that it should be censored because a group of people would prefer not to see it. If you don't want to see it, don't look for it. Don't install it. Don't use it.

Re:It's only right. (1)

havokca (1864454) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586214)

Let's be clear - I think the app was stupid and offensive.

I'm EXTREMELY glad they removed that app. I'm sure I speak for all open-minded, freedom-loving people when I say that I don't want anyone exposed to that kind of material.

~Loyal

... but you do realize you're making those statements in reference to an act of censorship, right?

Re:It's only right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586288)

Is it open-minded to shut out things to which you don't agree? Seems like an oxymoron. Here's what is being touted...

"I and all people who think like me are open-minded, NOW GET THAT APP THAT SAYS THINGS WE DON'T AGREE WITH OUT OF THE APP STORE...NOW!!!"

yes, open-minded indeed...

- md.mace@yahoo.com (can't seem to log in and I don't need to be anonymous)

Wrong decision...and fuck the app store anyway (4, Insightful)

aaaaaaargh! (1150173) | more than 3 years ago | (#35585992)

I'm a developer and I'm selling programs for Mac OS, but as long as Apple decides which app to include in the app store and which not I won't buy or use an iPhone and won't develop for iOS. It's as simple as that. There should be no restrictions about which app someone can legally run on their computer, phone, or any other device they have bought, and Apple has set a bad precedent with the app store model.

Before people complain that company X can sell on their own store whatever they want: Sure they can. If others can legally open another app store for the same device, that should be fine. But locking devices/only allowing whitelisted apps should definitely be illegal, and I hope that future legislation will make it illegal (but doubt it will happen).

Re:Wrong decision...and fuck the app store anyway (2)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586030)

Oh boo hoo. What a lame excuse. You can't buy strippers or a rub and tug in the mall or the grocery story. do you should produce whole salers boycot Kroger cause the restrict what they are allowed to put on the shelves?

This is awesome (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586004)

I love everything about the story and I hope stuff like this keeps happening, again and again. It was stupid for Apple to be selling the app, and stupid for them to stop. Every step along the process was lose/lose for Apple except for all the money they may have made through the sales (which to them is the whole point, of course, but I don't know whether or not this was a for-pay app).

The very idea of third-party app censorship stinks to high heaven and I hope everyone involved in it (especially the ones like Apple with tons of crazy arbitrary senseless rules about what is allowed) is repeatedly exposed to embarrassment and anger from both sides of every "controversial" issue. I hope gays hate Apple for this, I hope rights-advocates hate Apple for this, I hope homophobes hate Apple for this, and I hope developers hate Apple for this. Fuck you, Apple. The Walled Garden Sucks. It's not just that the Apple App Store happens to suck, it's that it is a bad idea right down to its very core. Having a third party in charge of what people see, is fucking lame, un-American, and a shitload of other adjectives that I'll leave out since I my sentences already have enough of a run-on problem.

Descent into idiocracy (1, Flamebait)

Nexus7 (2919) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586012)

The modus operandi of the nut-jobs is becoming very effective. They create a "gay cure" app. Thousands of sane people get indignant, sign petitions, etc. and get it taken down. So now a portion of indignation, enthusiasm to participate in causes, proclivity to donate to causes - such as say 'stop bullying of gay school kids' - has been used up in protesting an app. The app is much cheaper to produce than say, an anti-gay-marriage ballot initiative.

By the time the nut-jobs get around to ballot initiatives on gay marriage (yes, I know California's already had one), on teaching creationism in public schools, abolishing minimum wage, etc., the sane people are too jaded from fighting all these little battles, or they're too preoccupied with defending attacks on one thing to pay attention to something else, such as say, net neutrality.

you have a choice (3, Insightful)

Twillerror (536681) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586014)

Write the app for android and distribute it via your site. I'm guessing this wouldn't get removed from marketplace.

Apple has the right to remove anything. If you don't like it don't support them by buying their products, otherwise deal with it. The app store is like a cable channel. If comedy central doesn't want to run your ad no matter how you pay them they don't have to.

Keep writing letters saying you want to be able to install your own apps via websites, but other than that Apple can do what they want. I just buy Android even if it isn't quite as nice, because lets be honest...of the 100,000s of app only about 1,000 are worth anything. ie. like my banks native app...and although I had to wait 6 months I got it on the Android. Angry brids has been on the android for a long time now...what are these magical apps that you can't get on Android or at least some kind of a clone.

Democracy == Tyranny of the Majority (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586016)

Subject says it all. What about all the people that feel disgusted by their homosexual thoughts and truly wish to be 'cured'? I guess the homosexuals have made the decisions for them.

You hear that? You are gay, it doesn't matter that you don't want to be gay, the gays won't even let you try to turn hetero...

App Request: Would Someone Make A (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586036)

Anti-Slashdot App.

Thanks.

Yours In Tripoli,
Kilgore T.

once we get back to .5 billion, we'll be cured? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586078)

some whacky freakish 'math', still in use. rulers, hitting, clergy. more rulers. no wonder it's hard to cipher both letters & numbers in the same day? not to mention the images; on which we must focus?

aren't gays particularly articulate with #'s? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586226)

although that sounds like labeling, yes, as is the entire portion of the population (billions) who need/care to be. some of us (*m/f/*) develop the need for counting stuff very early in life. the rest would never understand how/why that occurs.

Why should Apple remove legal apps? (1)

mschaffer (97223) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586096)

I really don't care about the specific app. I just want to know why Apple should remove apps just because they are offensive. I can understand if an app were to be removed because it is illegal (and only removed from those areas where it is illegal). I cannot understand why Apple should remove apps just because they are offensive.

Censorship is wrong, whatever the reason. Apple harms all developers and users by doing this.

Iphone users snowballing? (1)

steak (145650) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586098)

Never! nyuk-nyuk-nyuk.

also how could an iphone app cure the gay and why couldn't the company have made an app that cures cancer?

Re:Iphone users snowballing? (1)

broknstrngz (1616893) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586146)

Never! nyuk-nyuk-nyuk.

also how could an iphone app cure the gay and why couldn't the company have made an app that cures cancer?

Because there's no market for that. There are no people who are afraid of people with cancer. Not to mention that you can't really start a conversation with "son, your mom and I decided that you don't have cancer anymore. Here's this app, install it on your phone and you're cured".

Shut up with the "bigotry" nonsense! (2, Interesting)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586118)

I don't think Apple should have banned it: they should have just packaged it with an App to cure Bigotry.

Well thank you, Taco, for calling everybody who doesn't approve of homosexuality a bigot. Have you, or any of the other homosexuality-supporters, ever considered that there are more than two sides to this? You don't have to fully 100% approve or disaprove of homosexuality, and as a Catholic I take offense when being labled as one of them.

The Catholic Church knows that there's a difference between homosexual attraction and homosexual acts, something that many people on "both" sides often forget. Homosexual attraction, like any other kind of sexual preference, is influenced by a variety of factors; most important of all of those factors is conditioning (like, allowing/encouraging yourself to think homosexual thoughts, or hanging around with homosexuals, for example). Some people can't help that they have homosexual attractions and I completely understand that, as does the Catholic Church believe it or not. The difference though with the Catholic opinion is that we believe that people who experience severe homosexual attraction are called to chastity. And no, that's not "supressing your desires" like most anti-Catholic people make it sound like. Self-control is never a bad thing, last I checked.

The Catholic Church doesn't approve of homosexuality, but not for the reasons that many think. Many pro-LGBT people with misunderstandings of the Catholic religion (such as lumping it together with all of the other Christian faiths [wikimedia.org] ) think that it's just "forbidden" and "sinful" and an "abomination" for little reason, while the real reason why it's sinful to the Church is that it denies the life-giving aspect of sexuality entirely. For more information, read any of the many books or articles out there summarizing Pope John Paul II's Theology of the Body; the Catholic Church's opinion on sexuality is a lot more reasonable than many people make it sound like.

Yes, I've heard there's a "g-spot" "in there" (cough), and I know that animals engage in homosexual behaviors. Animals do lots of things that aren't socially acceptable (killing, flinging poo, not wearing clothing... I could go on for pages). The mere existence of all of these doesn't change the fact that I'm allowed to have an opinion about sticking reproductive organs into germ-infested digestive tracts for little reason besides pleasure. There are "bigots" out there like WBC, but please don't label the Catholic Church (whether or not you were) as one of them. I hope I've made sense explaining the Catholic position...

Score! (1)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586152)

Now all gays who want to switch to being straight must use Android!
(no, they don't need to download any apps. Owning an Android phone alone will make them manly enough.)

(also, if that app worked, wouldn't it be a threat to bulk of Apple user base?)

too bad (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35586186)

Too bad Apple didn't have the huevos to keep the app. There is more than one opinion to everything. They could group it right in with "gay rights" apps.

Poor Alan Chambers (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586196)

The Gay Mafia has silenced him and deprived him of his #freedom.

The gall of these assholes makes me sick. Not content with being evil, he smugly portrays his evil as morally superior and himself as a persecuted victim.

Drake Equation (1)

PvtVoid (1252388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586258)

Who would possibly be the market for this app? Consider the fraction of the population which is gay, say around 10%:

- Of these, what fraction is not in some level of denial? (guess 20%)
- Of these, what fraction think they can be "cured" (guess 1%)?
- Of those, how many would actually believe that they could be cured by an Iphone app? (guess 1%)
- Of those, how many would actually be willing to risk being discovered by their friends/spouse with such an app on their phone? (guess 10%)

That gives two people in 10^7 who would download the app, or about 60 in the U.S. and 1200 in the world. Why is anyone even bothering to worry about it?

Volumes (1)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 3 years ago | (#35586262)

While I am on the fence about the app being taken down (I think 'curing homosexuality' is silly at best and dangerous at worst, and I also believe that everyone has a right to free speech which in my non-lawyer opinion this covers) I wonder how much it was actually downloaded? Is this thing worth the fury it unleashed? Or did it do a Streisand effect for the group's visibility? Did we cause this organization a favor by getting the app pulled?
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