Steve Jobs Health Worries Escalate 520
PolygamousRanchKid writes with this sad snippet from the San Francisco Chronicle: "We all know that Steve Jobs is sick. What's not known is how sick he is, and that's worrying investors of Apple (NASDAQ: AAPL) this morning, as well as everyone else. Jobs did have pancreatic cancer a few years ago, but he had a transplant and was able to come back to work. Last time, he gave some kind of time frame for returning to work. This time, he did not. Supposedly the National Enquirer is set to run pictures of Jobs with him looking frail and gaunt. Jobs was spotted leaving the Stanford Cancer Center in Palo Alto, California, according to RadarOnline.com."
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who cares? let the man live his own life
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Re:Private Lives (Score:5, Funny)
Except Mark Zuckerberg
He deserves to have every facet of his life known and subjected to Liking or DisLiking.
How is that hypocritical! (Score:3)
I can't find his personal Facebook page. You can't "friend" him. He has a "public figure" page where someone posts news snippets and you can "like" it. Hypocrite.
How is that hypocritical? It's not like he's forcing every single human to be on Facebook. Everyone has the right to not have a Facebook page, including him.
Now it might be bad advertising to not use your own product, but the truth is that people use Facebook because they want to, because they want to share all these details that you are so aghas
Re:Private Lives (Score:4, Insightful)
The way Facebook is designed (and, for that matter, its popularity) means you can't. Or at least, probably shouldn't.
The main reason why is the photo sharing feature. On facebook or not, there's a good change that quite a few photos of you have been made public (yes, including that embarrassing one from last year when you had a bit too much to drink), tagged your name against it and it's there for all to see. There have been instances of people losing their jobs because of photos on facebook - well, you could (at least in theory) lose your job because of a photo of you someone else put up even though you've never used the damn site.
About the only thing you can do to try and prevent this is to sign up, make sure any photos of you are tagged and associated with your login then either remove those tags yourself or set your privacy settings so photos including you aren't public. Until the next time Facebook change their privacy defaults - which they'll do all they like because the users aren't the customers.
It's the electronic equivalent of graffiti on the bridge over the main road into town saying "kiwimate is a tosser!" except it comes with photographic evidence and it's much more likely to get distributed to anyone around the world than a bridge is.
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You present the Apple Hater meme, not reality. (Score:4, Insightful)
Because unlike with other CxOs Steve Jobs has purposely built a cult of personality around him that will seriously affect the stock.
That's bullshit. He's already left, the stock took a small dive but is higher than ever now. Most people at this point (except for Apple Haters) are pretty much assuming Jobs is not really coming back.
The fact is that Apple as entire markets that they drive, Jobs leaving will not affect the momentum of the company for many, many years to come - if ever. Rather that building "a cult of personality" Jobs built an approach to thinking about consumer electronics, and he's shared that with everyone at Apple - as much as anyone could share it.
You know who would have more impact leaving/being ill than Jobs right now? Ives. Because even with Jobs gone Ives will present a consistency of products such that at first glance you will not even realize Jobs was not involved.
Between momentum and a stable of people with considerable design and product skills, Apple will do just fine without Jobs.
The reason why Apple Haters are so insistent that Jobs will be back, is that they will have no-one to attribute success to without Jobs there, will have to actually admit Apple might have built a few products people like to use because they are well designed. To an Apple Hater this is the end times.
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Typical fanboy reaction - label anyone not slotting neatly into your worshipful little reality as a "hater", and deride it as a "meme".
GP got it exactly right. Steve hasn't resigned his post, he's taken an indefinite leave of absence. If he had quit, and Apple had appointed a successor, Apple would have had a bump in their share price, and gone on their way. He didn't. When the shareholders asked for a succession plan (i.e. whose going to run the show if Steve leaves?) they got nothing.
What Apple is doing n
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People who call other people fascists usually can be ignored. If you don't know what 'fascist' means your opinion is probably not based on anything but gut feeling.
Re:You present the Apple Hater meme, not reality. (Score:5, Insightful)
I understand what the word means. I used it precisely because of it's meaning.
I'm referring to the Job's role in maintaining the Apple cult. The view that there's one way to do it - Apple's way and no other. It is a totalitarian ideology. It permits no criticism and the cult members leap in to defend the cult against all opposing points of view.
That's a fascist world view.
As someone with a degree in Philosophy who has studied Politicial Science, I know perfectly well what the word 'fascist' means.
I like the way you try to define opposing views as not worthy of comment rather than thinking about them. Good little cult member.
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You said: "The reason why Apple Haters are so insistent that Jobs will be back, is that they will have no-one to attribute success to without Jobs there, will have to actually admit Apple might have built a few products people like to use because they are well designed"
I was saying that you're wrong. I'm an Apple hater but I DO NOT HATE THE PRODUCTS. I said "Apple's products, on the other hand, are top notch"
You claim that Apple haters don't want to admit that Apple produce good products. I'm saying this
Re:who cares (Score:4, Informative)
You know, "self-declared" means that he has declared himself a god. As far I know he has not done so.
-dZ.
Re:who cares (Score:5, Insightful)
who cares?
The shareholders of his publicly-traded personality cult care.
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I sold my shares at $19. And have forgotten how to breathe.
*sigh*
He's probably dying (Score:5, Interesting)
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you can't cheat death.
Sure you can -- just like you can cheat the Mob. Long term, the results are about the same, too.
Re:He's probably dying (Score:5, Insightful)
Can't we just leave him alone? I mean, when he bashes on Google openly, let the press and everyone else fire full power. It's fair game.
But now? Doesn't he deserve some privacy or even just some respect? Not because of what he's done, be because of what he is living right now.
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The guy is a fascist asshole. I personally wouldn't wish cancer on anyone - even a fascist asshole - but the fact remains that he's a jerk. Being ill doesn't make him angelic and above criticism or (god forbid) mere comment - as is the case here. Job's health is news for nerds because he is the leader of a cult that has a lot of influence in the IT world. If he dies, the effects on the Apple cult will be profound. Mentioning any of this isn't evil, bad, perverted or whatever, it's just news.
Unless you feel better than everyone else by posting that sanctimonious crap.
You'r a fucking tool. You know jack $hit about the man. Perhaps you got shot down more than once for a job? I don't know, nor do I care. Yet, throwing around fascist like it's a punchline only leads me to conclude you're a fucking tool.
Netcraft confirms it: Steve Jobs is dying. (Score:5, Funny)
Doctors of Medicinal Wizardry at Netcraft Sanitoriums have determined that Steve Jobs is dying. His slow lapse into death is due to a lack of Ego, which he has depleted to run Apple Enterprises. It was considered giving him a shot of Humility (which has has no natural reserve of) as an experimental treatment, but past review of his life has determined that this would be of no effect. Apple fanbois are quietly assembling at Cupertino to prepare for the inevitable deathwatch.
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He had a pancreatic endocrine neoplasm (median survival of 7 years), which is much better than pancreatic adenocarcinoma (2% 5-year survival).
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up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a, select, start...
Re:He's probably dying (Score:5, Informative)
My understanding was that Job's form of pancreatic cancer is not the almost-guaranteed-to-be-fatal kind that Patrick Swayze had.
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And possibly wasted a liver someone else could have used for a lot longer.
It's a shame to see someone obsessed over who gets the liver while ignoring two things. You can always find someone more deserving of a particular organ. Such judgments are highly subjective. I, for example, was more deserving of that liver even though I had no use for it. I don't think it fair of Mr. Jobs that we have people, with no right, obligation, or clue in the matter, to second-guess how an organ is used.
Second, the issue of who gets the liver is nothing compared to the problem of people dying. W
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We can just look at the expiration dates on peoples' birth certificates!
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I don't see how that has any bearing on how long he will be able to make use of this liver.
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I stated that fact above. How do they sort medical necessity and likelihood of survival though. I would think long term outcome would be the highest priority. I would also though believe that organs should be flown via private flights, not patients. To ensure the patient with the best outcome/most need can get it.
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Re:He's probably dying (Score:4, Insightful)
I highly doubt his money helped him get a liver any faster.
It probably kept him alive long enough to reach the top of the list, though.
And anyone saying he hasn't done anything useful since they buttoned it up is not paying attention.
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You have to be able to get to the hospital in X hours, by having access to a private plane that was that many more hospitals he could sign up for their organ lists. This is a relatively benign thing a rich person can do to get a better shot at an organ.
As another example of rich folks getting organs in slightly shady ways I present Mickey Mantle.
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He had a liver transplant. He admitted that, it is not uncommon for a person to need one due to pancreatic cancer. See that is the thing about cancer it spreads.
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Leave Steve Jobs Alone (Score:2, Insightful)
Leave him alone!
-Android Fanboy
Re:Leave Steve Jobs Alone (Score:5, Insightful)
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There's a difference between speculation from a respectful standpoint and tabloids plastering bullshit everywhere to make a point. There is also a disturbing number of internet denizens who honestly think it is funny to make fun of someone dying or try and trivialize it because they don't like iPods or think that it's edgy or something.
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Tabloids wouldn't have to speculate if he disclosed his condition.
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Why else would a trashy celebrity news site follow him around?
Slashdot?
Re:Leave Steve Jobs Alone (Score:4, Interesting)
Haven't you heard? (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe he's just a guy with cancer who doesn't want to spend his last days dying in the public eye while they discuss how to best profit from his passing?
You forfeit your privacy rights when you sign that "rich AND famous" contract.
And a part of your human rights goes down the drain when you turn yourself into a brand.
You don't get to be in the spotlight and not take in some heat from the lights.
Think about it. Would Woz, in a similar situation, be facing the same privacy problems as Jobs? How about Paul Allen?
That is why I keep my wishes simple. I just want to be rich. Someone else can be famous. E.g. the getaway driver.
He can have all the fame in the world as long as I'm free to keep and use the money. In fact...
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He's stepped aside. His health is no longer the concern of the shareholders.
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Cancer survival is highly uncertain. Some people beat the averages by many years. Investors already know that Jobs probably is not going to be personally micromanaging Apple for many years longer. Those who think that is critical in the near term have already sold their stock. The value of the additional knowledge given to investors who hope to "time the market" in order to maximally profit from Jobs's death or permanent retirement (or more optimistically, his return to full-time management status) hardly j
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Of course not.
Then again, I can't think of an executive who is as important to his company as Steve Jobs is to Apple. They tried the "running without him" thing. What happened? Apple nearly went bankrupt, while Jobs went and bought a hardware company named Pixar for $10 million, turned it into an animation studio and sold it for $7.6 billion. Apple realized its mistake and brought him back, and is now one of the biggest companies in the world.
That's... a big turn around. To be quite honest, I don't
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Leave him alone!
-Android Fanboy
I'm trying to figure out if you meant that to be multilayered humor or not...
Seriously don't care... (Score:4, Insightful)
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Not to mention he wasn't the genius behind Apple. Steve Wozniak was. In fact in numerous interviews about all Steve Jobs had a hand in in actually designing the original Apple computers was insisting that the power supply be a certain color for aesthetics. The real work was done by a man whom half the nation probably has no idea exists.
Woz is the genius behind the original Apple products from decades past, and Jobs is the genius behind the consumer electronics and publishing juggernaut that Apple is today.
Engineers and designers are the real geniuses (Score:3)
Not to mention he wasn't the genius behind Apple. Steve Wozniak was. In fact in numerous interviews about all Steve Jobs had a hand in in actually designing the original Apple computers was insisting that the power supply be a certain color for aesthetics. The real work was done by a man whom half the nation probably has no idea exists.
Woz is the genius behind the original Apple products from decades past, and Jobs is the genius behind the consumer electronics and publishing juggernaut that Apple is today.
Not really. The real geniuses are the engineers and the designers. The difference between the Apple II days and now is that decades ago the engineers and designers were far more visible or well known. The Apple II and Woz being at one extreme, however the original Mac had the designers/engineers names molded into the interior of the case. Jobs, then and now, stands on the shoulders of the engineers and designers.
Best wishes for Jobs. Hopefully he just has to slow down and relax.
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Re:Seriously don't care... (Score:5, Insightful)
Woz was the technical genius who put the parts together to make the new product simple enough to be useful to millions.
Jobs is the one who ensured millions understood why it was useful.
History is littered with people who thought you could be Apple by skimping on either of those talents.
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Microsoft didn't "bail out Apple." Microsoft was being sued by Apple for getting caught stealing QuickTime code in Video For Windows. As part of a settlement deal, Microsoft was required to buy non-voting stock in Apple and ship Office for Mac for a number of years.
That some people spin it as a benevolent act on Microsoft's part is an interesting twist of the truth considering it was Apple who had Microsoft by the balls.
Re:Seriously don't care... (Score:4, Informative)
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The real work was done by a man whom half the nation probably has no idea exists.
It's worse than that. The real work was done by a man whom most will know best for appearing on Dancing with the Stars and dating Kathy Griffin.
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The Woz seems to be doing alright:
http://www.woz.org/ [woz.org]
He was one of my personal heroes in the ol' GS days.
-Stor
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Apple is one of the few tech companies that are NOT overpriced. Given their revenue and profits, the market value for Apple is just on par with any industrial company. Geeeez.
Wall street not worried (Score:2)
Apple is one of the few tech companies that are NOT overpriced. Given their revenue and profits, the market value for Apple is just on par with any industrial company. Geeeez.
True but perception and fear can cause a bit of short term volatility.
Contrary to what the summary claims investors are not generally worried, AAPLE was down only 1.3% today. They realize that Steve has picked and trained a very strong management team, a team that proved itself during his previous absence.
Best wishes for Jobs. Hopefully he just has to slow down and relax.
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The two are tied more closely than you think. Info on Jobs' health is necessary for Apple shareholders. Unlike just about every other company out there, Apple does not pay dividends. All that profit Apple makes? The shareholders see none of it. Zero. Zilch. The en
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So, let's assume you are in a key engineering role at your publicly traded company. Does the press and the public then have a "right" to any private data about you they wish to get their hands on? After all, you're a critical person at the company, doesn't the public have a _right to know_ whether or not you have the clap? If you have to take an extended absence, it could cause a tremendous disruption in the company's ability to do business!
If you are buying or selling apple stock based on "how Steve is
Karma be damned... (Score:2)
The smart market knows he is the messiah
He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy!
TLDR: (Score:4, Funny)
Long story short, Satan has come to collect his part of the agreement.
Posted anon, cause apple fanbois gave up their sense of humor in exchange for shiny things.
Apple needs to stand on it's own feet (Score:2)
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Yes, that Apple has moved into a market where complete "generations" of devices move in 6 to 12 month cycles. Without the proper vision you can own the market today, and be a has been in 2 to 3 years.
Steve Jobs has had the knack of being able to put the X on the spot for what people will want to pay money for next year. He has pretty much hit the nail on the head 10 times in 10 years. He is the face of Apple. He may not have stared in the "I am a Mac" commercials. But as far as investors are concerned, he i
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Also I think I could name the CEO of most major tech companies. Jobs is definitely the most iconic, but there are plenty of other iconic people in the field.
If Jobs does pass or is forced to retire (and I hope he doesn't), it will be an interesting opportunity for Apple. Jobs runs the company with an iron fist. His style is "my way or the highway". On one hand he's been in the captain'
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He "polarizes" neckbeards and contrarians who are rooting to see the top dog fail.
I doubt you could find too many people outside of your insular little community of slashdotters who could be arsed to have much of an opinion of "Steve Jobs, the guy." They may say, "I love the stuff that company puts out," or "I don't see the big deal about this iPhone whatsit," but there's not a lot of "polarization" when it comes to Steve. The strong negatives seem localized to FOSS zealots (speaking of religion...) and c
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Lets take stock of the situation (Score:2)
Good point, some investors will dump stock the moment he dies. Buy then, and sell in the next year or two, when his actual influence filters out of the company and apple reverts to being just another mega-corp.
If you were really the gambling sort of vulture, you might even short some stock now and hope he is unhealthy as he looks.
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So short it now. Or buy puts.
Make money both ways.
A pic here (Score:5, Informative)
http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4d5c75d8cadcbbc41b160000/steve-jobs-sick.jpg [businessinsider.com]
There's also a sensationalist headline over here:
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/02/17/steve-jobs-may-have-just-six-weeks-to-live-receiving-treatment/ [thenextweb.com]
The Daily Mail spoke to Dr Jerome Spunberg, a certified Oncologist, who said: âoeMr Jobs is most likely getting outpatient chemotherapy at Stanford because the cancer has recurred.â
Another consultant, Dr. Gabe Mirkin, a physician with over fourty years experience, said: âoeHe is terminal. What you are seeing is extreme muscle wasting from calorie depravation, most likely caused by cancer. He has no muscle left in his buttocks, which is the last place to go. He definitely appears to be in the terminal stages of his life from these photos. I would be surprised if he weighed more than 130lb.â
The National Enquirer, who initially reported the news today (to be published tomorrow), talked to critical-care physician Dr. Samuel Jacobson, who said, âoeJudging from the photos, he is close to terminal. I would say he has six weeks.â That said, given the reliability of The National Enquirer, waiting for further news before jumping to conclusions is advised.
Weâ(TM)ve done a little digging into Dr. Samuel Jacobson. Jacobson appears to be a Florida based pulmonologist (breathing doctor) â" not Oncologist. Which would naturally make you wonder just how qualified he is to diagnose someone via a photo, especially outside of his speciality.
Why is the media following the National Enquirer? (Score:3, Insightful)
The National Enquirer talks about running photos of Steve, and the entire news media gets a hard on and starts running stories on this. Has the media degraded so far that we are now counting the National Enquirer as a reliable news source?
The only people who are escalating the health worries here are the media itself to push for circulation. It's not news, it's bullshit. Thanks for contributing to the bullshit, Timothy.
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Don't forget that it was The National Enquirer who broke the story on the Edwards baby and affair. They've established some cred on investigative journalism over the last several years.
I'm not saying they're right here, I'm just saying it's foolish to discount them out of hand.
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You mean more stuff that was private and had no business on the news?
Oh noes he likes to nail broads! This was a problem for him and his wife, not the public at large.
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The thing about those Enquirer photos is they're from 6 months ago.
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Why this matters (Score:5, Interesting)
This item has only been up a few minutes, and already a lot of people are asking why this matters, why they should care. Here's why:
If you use a Mac, you should care about this.
Steve Jobs is unquestionably the driving force behind Apple. His return to Apple as the iCEO, followed by the introduction of new streamlined iMacs, the iPod, ... all demonstrated that Steve had returned to make Apple's mark on the industry. How many of the general population - not to mention us IT geeks - have an iPod? I look around my office and see high level executives using iPads. Steve made these a success. The same technology in a different package - maybe even the same package but a different salesman - wouldn't be as popular.
Pundits, fans, and teh haters all pay attention when Steve makes a new announcement of any new Apple product. That's the presence Steve brings to the game. He's like a tiny god. Love him or hate him, you can't deny he understands the market, and how to drive new products to get at that "I want it" mentality.
But unfortunately, Steve's success is a double-edged sword. He's the driving force behind Apple. He's also the driving force behind Apple. There was no succession planning here. His second in command isn't well known. He's not the face of Apple. I wonder who will follow him.
I wish Steve the best, and if he's able to return as CEO, I think that would be great. But if he doesn't ... look for Apple's stock to plummet. Even if the new guy has all kinds of bright ideas, I don't think he'll have the same presence as Steve, and won't be able to garner the same attention for the company. Apple has lots of new items in the pipeline, I'm sure, so the new guy's leadership won't truly be tested/visible for another 12 to 18 months. In that time, he needs to make his own mark, or Apple will quickly find itself on the sidelines trying to catch up to the rest of the market - rather than leading the market.
That's what has investors worried. And that is why you should care about this item.
Disclaimer: I am not an Apple fan, but I work in IT.
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IF they next CEO gives Jonathan Ive the freedom and respect Steve does, they may be fine.
But yeah, it's a real concern for shareholders.
Re:Why this matters (Score:4, Insightful)
Most likely the one who steps up will fail exactly because he's not Steve Jobs, no matter what he does. What Apple has done is to overcome the catch 22 of users and content because Jobs has a following of rabid fans and loyal developers big enough to kick start any market. It's like setting off a nuke, you need critical mass or you get a fizzle.
Jobs has the customers go "yeah" then the developers go "yeah" then the tech press goes "yeah" and the cheers runs in circles. The next guy will have the customers go "ummmmmm" then the developers go "ummmmmm" then the tech press goes "ummmmmmm" and the doubt runs in circles. Apple can spiral down just as quick as they've spiraled up.
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No, but maybe your next one never exists in the first place because the company went out of business.
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So you might have to buy a computer that isn't incredibly overpriced?
That's not much consolation if you need to run Mac software on it.
Consider the Source (Score:5, Insightful)
When the pictures come from The National Enquirer, you really need to consider the source. Also, the doctor making this prognosis was doing so based on the pictures. Didn't we all jump on the idiot in Congress a few years ago for diagnosing that woman in Florida using a short video clip?
Let's take this to a conspiracy level and say people are putting out this news to get the stock price to drop a bit so they can snap it up and wait for the retraction of the article and the stock goes back up, they make a pretty penny.
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If the pictures someone posted above are the ones the Enquirer are basing the article off of, he sure as hell doesn't look good. I certainly wouldn't say 6 weeks to terminal, even if I were an oncologist with expertise in the field. They aren't basing the speculation off the pictures, they're basing it off pictures from a couple months ago compared to pictures now. Suddenly dropping 40-50 lbs over the course of a few weeks wreaks havoc on your body just by itself, and that is what the pictures appear to s
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The Enquirer makes plenty of money paying freelance photographers for pictures of random celebrities and then selling them to the average American. I have significant doubts that they would engage in a risky, easily detected, and highly illegal stock manipulation scheme to make an extra buck on the side.
The doctor isn't even an oncologist (Score:2)
I wish I could find a source for where I read this, but the doctor looking at the pictures isn't even an oncologist, he's in sports medicine! There's the NE for you.
Poor Apple Stockholders! Waa. Waa. Waa. (Score:2)
Poor Apple Stockholders. Steve Jobs is sick and all they worry about is pictures of their control-freak "sell the sizzle" CEO not looking well in the National Enquirer when he has pancreatic cancer. Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing that happens when you have a celebrity CEO.
Personally, I am surprised this hasn't happened until now. I guess they don't have Michael Jackson to write about anymore and have to branch out.
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Are we sure it is Steve Jobs in the photos? (Score:5, Interesting)
The guys over at jalopnik aren't so sure, unless he's traded in his Mercedes SL55 AMG for a 10+ year old Honda Civic...
http://jalopnik.com/#!5763321/cmon-does-the-national-enquirer-really-think-steve-jobs-owns-a-honda [jalopnik.com]
Apple's next CEO: Timothy Cook (Score:3)
Apple's #2 manager is Timothy Cook, Apple's chief operating officer. He's a cost control and outsourcing guy. He came from Compaq, where he turned them from a manufacturer into a distributor of products made offshore. That's what he did at Apple, too - closed all the Apple factories and outsourced manufacturing to FoxConn. He's good at managing low-cost outsourced manufacturing. He's running Apple now, and will probably succeed Jobs.
Apple will survive. Cook will hire some low-cost design firm in Beijing to do the next products. There's good design coming out of Beijing now. Check out PER design group's [per-id.com] work. FoxConn in Shenzen already does the manufacturing. All Apple US has to do is manage the deals with other parties. Cupertino will probably be downsized to a marketing and IP rights organization.
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I won't accept that I'm not immortal until after I die.
In the meantime. It's fun being immortal!
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There's a difference between being trendy, and creating the trend.
And it's not even a little bit subtle.
Re:I hate Apple (Score:4, Informative)
I am still bothered by the way he pretended to invent multitasking instead of just admitting that he was catching up to Android,
Where did he ever say that? When he introduced multitasking for the iPhone he said that Apple was "late to the party [osnews.com]".
Seriously I really think Apple-haters like to make things like this up or seem unable to separate marketing-speeak from reality.
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He never "pretended to invent multitasking." Holy shit is there a flood of anonymous anti-Apple trolls in this article, even more than usual.
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Android has had proxy support since the first release. You set it under the access point.
Now, what's pretty important in a business phone is that your VPN doesn't randomly reset to an unencrypted connection, which, sadly, it does on iPhone.
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They've had their crazy stories, but the National Enquirer has broken several stories that the mainstream media figured out later... Just a few:
- Bristol Palin's pregnancy
- John Edwards' affair
- Jesse Jackson fathering a child out of wedlock
- The first anthrax attack
- Found the murderer of Ennis Cosby
- Lewinsky scandal
- Finding pictures of OJ Simpson wearing the shoes he denied owning in court
- Rush Limbaugh/Oxycontin scandal
Need I go on?
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Are you seriously saying that it'll be great when a man dies because you prefer a slightly different type of gadget?