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iPhone 4 Rumors Rumble

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the i'd-rather-a-tablet dept.

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padraic_93 writes "Information has become available which reveals development is underway for the new iPhone 4, as well as suggestions of features and Apple's plans for the phone. A report on PinchMedia, which made repeated use of the term 'iPhone 4,' was cited on the website MacRumors, though the website admitted that such reports can often be forged. The report also made allusions to a 'Corporate Event' planned for June 28th — July 2nd 2010, which have been taken as referring to the next WWDC." A related rumor holds that Apple has ordered 40-45 million 5-megapixel cameras, which might hint at new functionality.

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Who Cares? (1, Insightful)

ChrisMP1 (1130781) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543440)

Not to be rude, but really, who cares? Must we have a story every time Steve Jobs sneezes? Yeah, that's what technology companies do — they release new versions.

Re:Who Cares? (4, Insightful)

magnusrex1280 (1075361) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543498)

Really? You're bitching that someone posted tech rumors and/or news to a tech website? I guess I'm not really surprised; Slashdotters always have to cry about something, even when all that's occurred is someone posting an article about the next iPhone, which is, believe it or not, a piece of technology. Next thing you know, people are going to start posting recipes to cooking websites!

Re:Who Cares? (2, Informative)

gregarican (694358) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543518)

Actually to be more correct it would be posting a rumor of a new recipe. Say, posting hushed rumblings of a new idea for Upside Down Flint Rubble Bubble Cake...

Re:Who Cares? (3, Funny)

realisticradical (969181) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544088)

Upside Down Flint Rubble Bubble Cake

1/2 cup sugar

1/2 cup dark brown sugar

1/4lb (8tbl) butter

4 cups (18oz) unbleached all purpose flour

1/2 cup milk

2tbl Flint

1.5 tsp baking powder

2 eggs

Preheat oven to 350.

Cream butter and sugar. Stir in eggs. Add half of the flour, mix. Add half of the milk, mix. Add the other half of the flour, then the other half of the milk. Fold in the flint and pour into your favorite upside down cake pan. Blow bubbles into the mixture with a straw. Bake for 45 min or until a toothpick inserted into the cake comes out clean. Let cool upside down for at least one hour before removing from the mold.

Bing! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30546340)

Flint (or flintstone) is a hard, sedimentary cryptocrystalline form of the mineral quartz,[1][2] categorized as a variety of chert. It occurs chiefly as nodules and masses in sedimentary rocks, such as chalks and limestones.[3][4] Inside the nodule, flint is usually dark grey, black, green, white, or brown in color, and often has a glassy or waxy appearance. A thin layer on the outside of the nodules is usually different in color, typically white, and rough in texture. From a petrological point of view, "flint" refers specifically to the form of chert which occurs in chalk or marly limestone. Similarly, "common chert" (sometimes referred to simply as "chert") occurs in limestone.

The exact mode of formation of flint is not yet clear but it is thought that it occurs as a result of chemical changes in compressed sedimentary rock formations, during the process of diagenesis. One hypothesis is that a gelatinous material fills cavities in the sediment, such as holes bored by crustaceans or molluscs and that this becomes silicified. This theory certainly explains the complex shapes of flint nodules that are found. The source of dissolved silica in the porous media could arise from the spicules of silicious sponges.[3]. Certain types of flint, such as that from the south coast of England, contains trapped fossilised marine flora. Pieces of coral and vegetation have been found preserved like Amber inside the flint. Thin slices of the stone often reveal this effect.

Puzzling giant flint formations known as paramoudra and flint circles are found around Europe but especially in Norfolk, England on the beaches at Beeston Bump[5] and West Runton.[6]

Re:Who Cares? (2, Interesting)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30546262)

The point being, we get front page news about mere rumour items for the Iphone (even when the news is trivial anyway - what's that you say? Apple might be planning an Iphone 4 after their 3rd Iphone? My, I was thinking they'd come out with the 5th version first - how shocking!), whilst actual full product releases from other phone companies, despite having much higher market share (e.g., Nokia at 40%; LG, Samsung, Motorola, and RIM are also ahead).

the next iPhone, which is, believe it or not, a piece of technology

Right now, it's not a piece of technology, it's a rumour. Products such as the Nokia 5800 however, are, believe it or not, pieces of technology.

Next thing you know, people are going to start posting recipes to cooking websites!

If this was a cooking website, it would be like being full of rumours about what you might be able to make with apples, whilst completely ignoring actual receipes involving any other kind of fruit.

Re:Who Cares? (1)

tyrione (134248) | more than 4 years ago | (#30546794)

You want to jizz all over the screen about HTC or Droiiiiid just head on over to Gizmodo, a bastion of undulation.

It's obligatory... (1, Informative)

denzacar (181829) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543524)

Part of The Apple Product Cycle. [misterbg.org]

Slashdot is one of those "Mac Internet forums" described therein. Or do you think that it is a coincidence that Slashdot's sections are:

* Main
        * Apple
        * AskSlashdot
        * Book Reviews
        * Developers
        * Games
        * Hardware
        * IT
        * Idle
        * Index
        * Interviews
        * Linux
        * Mobile
        * Politics
        * Science
        * Technology
        * YRO

Linux? HA!
Linux is a topic here only to attract more M$ haters.
When was the last time we had a story about Linus or RMS sneezing? See what I mean? Exactly!

Re:It's obligatory... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543778)

When was the last time we had a story about Linus or RMS sneezing? See what I mean? Exactly!

Well, if RMS sneezed into The Beard, who would know? Also, Linus is clearly a geek and lives in his moms basement. How would he even get a virus? Linus would be more likely to masturbate and nobody wants to read about that..

OTOH gentlemen, lets have rule 34 on Linus please!

Re:It's obligatory... (4, Informative)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543790)

Early 2000s, they're sprinkled here and there.
Although 1998 was a bumper year, a ton of Linus stories.
Linus has a kid [slashdot.org]
Linus talking about grandpa [slashdot.org]
Linus on Git [slashdot.org]
Linus Sightings [slashdot.org]
Linus moves to Moscow, Linus moves to Oregon, Linus on 2.4, Linus on 2.6, Linus a Fermilab, Linus shows up in * magazine, Linus suffers Ego-bump, * interviews Linus.

Same with RMS. RMS turns 50, RMS interviewed by *, etc

Slashdot is also user driven. If you don't write the fodder stories, they can't ever get approved. (I'm not saying which way it is either way).

Re:It's obligatory... (2, Insightful)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30546276)

So the answer to the question is: 10 years ago. That basically supports his point.

Anyway, I could understand a bias towards Linux, because Slashdot was traditionally a place for supporting Linux and open source in general. Today though it's an Apple forum. Kind of ironic given that this was once a place to support open systems...

Re:It's obligatory... (1)

tyrione (134248) | more than 4 years ago | (#30546816)

So the answer to the question is: 10 years ago. That basically supports his point.

Anyway, I could understand a bias towards Linux, because Slashdot was traditionally a place for supporting Linux and open source in general. Today though it's an Apple forum. Kind of ironic given that this was once a place to support open systems...

The solution to the scenario is for companies to come out with some hot s*** technology running Linux that actually millions want and will change the way computing is done. No, Google and Android with Java hacking on top of a linux kernel is not hot s***.

Re:It's obligatory... (5, Insightful)

samkass (174571) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543846)

When was the last time we had a story about Linus or RMS sneezing?

You've got to be joking. We heard how RMS thinks MySQL's mixed closed/open source is better than a pure GPL license. We got an article about how Linus should win the Nobel Peace Prize. Just do some searches for Stallman or Linus on Slashdot and you'll get the same drivel you do for jobs.

Personally, I think rumors about the latest and greatest tech gadgets are Slashdot's bread and butter, and the Apple haters are just infuriated the iPhone remains so popular.

Re:It's obligatory... (3, Insightful)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 4 years ago | (#30545834)

>?Apple haters are just infuriated the iPhone remains so popular.

I own a macbook and an iphone and I'm sick of the rumormill. No shit, Apple is updating a successful product? This doesnt need to be on slashdot or anywhere but applerumors.com.

What bugs me is that I dont hear about the new version of WinMo or even that much about Android here. Just iphone. Id love to see a well maintained mobile subsection of slashdot instead of this nonsense. But I suspect enough slashdot readers are more interested in flamewars and self-identifying with products to make these 'articles' popular. I guess I need to goto Ars to actually read about technology without the kiddie angle and poseurs.

Re:It's obligatory... (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30546292)

Apple haters are just infuriated the iPhone remains so popular.

Except it isn't. And we're not haters - we're just one of the 95%+ of the market that use another brand of phone. They do exist, but you wouldn't know it if you only read Slashdot.

Indeed, your mistaken belief of the Iphone's market share demonstrates the problem: you seriously believe that it's one of the most popular phones, because that's all you hear about on Slashdot.

Re:It's obligatory... (1)

slimjim8094 (941042) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543956)

Yet people like you are the people who complain about every Linux point release (not saying it's you, just people like you)

Re:It's obligatory... (2, Funny)

Bertie (87778) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544220)

Why, it's almost like they're in alphabetical order or something.

Re:It's obligatory... (2, Funny)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544650)

When was the last time we had a story about Linus or RMS sneezing? See what I mean?

That's because Linus and RMS are both a little bit wack while Steve Jobs...oh, wait a minute...never mind...

Re:Who Cares? (4, Funny)

Enleth (947766) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543580)

1. Click on the "Sections" header on the left.
2. Click on the very first radio button in the list of topics that appears.
3. Scroll down and click "Save".
4. ???
5. Profit!

Re:Who Cares? (1)

Azureflare (645778) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543814)

I'm not sure what site you're using, but I don't have a "Sections" header on the left (yes I know about the expandable left bar). I think the steps you are referring to are for an older version of slashdot.

The only way I can get to it is by going to Help & Account -> Classic Index -> Sections as the AC below mentioned.

Re:Who Cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543690)

Yeah Sure. Not that I haven't seen a dozen or so articles recently on Droid, Android, Apple's app policies, blah blah. I think it is news that someone has seen something like an iPhone 4 available in the wild. People, this isn't two years ago when everyone and their dog was talking about the iPhone...now we have Android, Palm, Apple to share the hype!

Re:Who Cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543710)

Not to be rude, but really, get over it. The iPhone is popular and people want to know even the flimsiest of rumors. I can't say I blame them considering the state of the competition. As others have pointed out, you could stop your trolling and tweak your Slashdot user prefs., then your dilemma would be solved.

Re:Who Cares? (0, Flamebait)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30546316)

The iPhone is popular

The factual market figures show that Nokia, LG, Samsung, Motorola and RIM are at least as popular. So I'm afraid you need to "get over it".

And tweaking prefs doesn't help with the Iphone Slashvertisements that creep into the mobile section too.

Re:Who Cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543726)

Steve Jobs sneezed? HOLY FUCKING SHIT, STOP THE PRESSES!

Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

Re:Who Cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543852)

I've been visiting this site for quite some time (since 2001 I think). No I don't have an account; no I'm not a Linux / Unix user; no I don't hate MS... here come there "yes's"... yes I've seen rumors about ATI / Nvidia at the height of PC gaming and read comments such as "Jesus f**king Christ, another ATI / Nvidia rumor"; yes I think it's funny that Slashdot uses a borg'd version of Bill Gates; yes I think people like ChrisMP1 bitch bitch bitch...

I'd like to be the first if you haven't been "formally" introduced yet...

Welcome to the World Wide Web ChrisMP1!!! (that '1' in his name is a mistaken '!')

Re:Who Cares? (4, Insightful)

DaveGod (703167) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543856)

To be fair the iPhone is an extremely significant piece of technology, both as a consumer handset and driving forward technological change. True, the new phone probably won't include much in the way of technological breakthrough - or even true innovation, but it will set the standard of the entire mobile phone industry by putting the tech in the hands of the mass market.

Anyway, if you're the kind of person who reads /. it's kind of expected that when a friend imparts that they intend to buy a 3GS, you should be able to respond "looking like a new one isn't being announced until June, then there's some lead time so yeah no point waiting around for the next one".

Re:Who Cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30544058)

This is Slashdot, news for nerds. Yes, we must have a story every time the iphone gets an update. Get over it.

Re:Who Cares? (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30546402)

Yes, news for nerds. Not rumours for Apple fans...

21 million (4, Interesting)

tom17 (659054) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543444)

Maybe they are only making ~21 million phones like they did with the current generation (according to the article).

What about the other 20 million cameras you ask? Well surely one facing the user as well as the rear camera, so that you can video call - functionality still lacking from the current lineup.

Tom...

Re:21 million (4, Interesting)

Sebilrazen (870600) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543488)

Good points, however...

It could also point to allowing the iPhone on another carrier in the US, if they opened it up to Verizon?

Re:21 million (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543556)

Or cameras for the iPod touch?

Re:21 million (2, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543974)

Not to mention global sales.

Re:21 million (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543584)

I sure-as-hell don't want a 5 Megapixel HD closeup of your face during a videocall :-)

Re:21 million (1)

owlnation (858981) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544654)

I sure-as-hell don't want a 5 Megapixel HD closeup of your face during a videocall :-)

Of the average /.er's face, admittedly no, no thanks... however, as always with new technology, just think of the porn possibilities!!!

Re:21 million (1)

SoupIsGoodFood_42 (521389) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543620)

I'm not sure Apple would bother with that functionality until it can do it reliably for most people. Is bandwidth and coverage good enough to support such video streams at the moment? I'm guessing it's also taxing on the hardware and battery.

Would be nice, but I wouldn't expect to see it just yet.

Re:21 million (0, Flamebait)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543738)

That is a good enough reason, maybe they should also ship an iphone without call making capabilities because bandwidth and coverage isn't good enough for that either. Most are not on AT&T's network, why hold back features just because of one mobile provider's inability to keep up to on their network? I can't contest your points about hardware and battery unless the device was made bigger.

Re:21 million (1)

Grizzley9 (1407005) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543862)

If they cut the main functionality of OrbLive's live tv streaming, which had been working great for many months but removed yesterday because of Apple, you can be sure they won't allow two way video calling. They haven't even allowed skype over 3G even though ATT says their ready. What about tethering, etc.

Re:21 million (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543780)

They need to add a camera to the iPod Touch and all their laptops come with cameras... If they are using them in multiple products(iPod, iPhone, Macbook), then this may be a small shipment.

Re:21 million (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30544038)

Or maybe they're just putting the cameras into another device. For example, the iPod. Especially the iPod Touch is curiously missing camera functionality which is even available on the low-end Nano nowadays.

Re:21 million (1)

Failed Physicist (1411173) | more than 4 years ago | (#30545068)

Talking about this - anyone know of a good current/next-gen phone with such a forward facing camera? I was looking for an open internet tablet/smartphone, which I planned to use solely with wifi (no plan with a carrier at all). Having a camera so I can videochat in google voice (or any other videoconferencing program) would be a definite plus but I haven't seen one in any android or maemo phone...

I might have missed the memo.... (-1, Troll)

8127972 (73495) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543446)

..But when did /. become an Apple rumor site?

Slashdot Protip (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543506)

Help & Account -> Classic Index -> Sections, mark the radio button below the red circle on the Apple line, no more Apple stories.

As much as you might hate Apple, it's still a technology company and Slashdot has an entire SECTION devoted to it. If you don't like it, don't have it on your index.

Stop whinging.

Re:Slashdot Protip (0, Flamebait)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544000)

Dude, seriously, get a fucking life. There is a huge gradient between love and hate and because you are an Apple fanboi, it doesn't mean that everyone, who aren't interested in every single fart of Steve Jobs, hate Apple.

And parent is right that Slashdot has become some kind of Apple rumour site because apparently a day without an Apple rumour is a lost day for Slashdot. Yes, Apple is a technology company, along with millions of others. But Apple makes only a dozen technical products. If you are truly interested in technology companies, why aren't you asking for product rumours of Panasonic, JVC, Infineon, Philips and over 9000 more?

Not willing to? Then stop pretending that it is about technology and admit that you just loud-mouthed fanboi.

Re:I might have missed the memo.... (5, Insightful)

magnusrex1280 (1075361) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543516)

LOL. In case you've been sleeping under a rock in a different galaxy, here's a quick update: A) Slashdot is about, among other things, technology. B) Apple is a technology company. C) There ARE people who read this site, who are interested in the next iPhone. How dare they post an item about technology on Slashdot. It's completely insane!

Re:I might have missed the memo.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30544376)

Come on, stop pretending. I've been on Slashdot for a decade and yes, it has become a lame Apple fansite. Slashdot might just as well rename itself to "iFap".

Re:I might have missed the memo.... (0, Flamebait)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30546342)

Yeah, this is why we have a front page news story for every other technology, for every of their technology products, when there's a rumour that they might have a newer version at some point in the future, possibly.

Oh wait, we don't, unless it's for amusement value - the Iphone is the new Duke Nukem Forever.

I mean, nevermind all the far more popular companies in the phone market, if we really applied your standard of newsworthiness for every kind of techology, it would be flooded. It would, well in your own words, be completely insane.

Breaking News! (4, Insightful)

ircmaxell (1117387) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543448)

Breaking News! Company plans on updating a successful product line!

Seriously, why is this news? We all know that a new revision will come down the road at some point. The only "new" information here (for me at least) is the ordering of the 5mp cameras...

What I found more interesting than what's posted here, is what Engadget reported yesterday:

The most interesting word, however, comes out of the Silicon Alley Insider, who is quoting a "plugged-in source in the mobile industry" who says that Apple is working with some select app makers on prepping high-res apps to demo on a "new, larger mobile device."

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/23/apple-planning-event-for-january-with-high-res-iphone-or-small/ [engadget.com]

Re:Breaking News! (2, Insightful)

jo42 (227475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543520)

Rumors of an iTablet/iPad/iSlate have been floating around for months. Nothing new there. Anyone with half a brain would have come to the conclusion that Apple won't be stuck with a 320x480 screen resolution forever either. I formally and publicly predict faster more capable hardware from Apple in the future. Now can I have my $1000 for making a forecast?

Re:Breaking News! (1)

CyberKnet (184349) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543988)

13 internets to you, sir. Congratulations, enjoy your prize.

Re:Breaking News! (2, Informative)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543898)

I have in inside scoop... After $ProductName version @VersionNumber there just may be an $ProductName version @VersionNumber+1 with stuff that isn't in $ProductName version @VersionNumber. As well the next generation of $ProductName will have even newer features and probably will run faster and do more then the old version.

Re:Breaking News! (1)

xRelisH (647464) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544028)

but it generates page hits, thus ore ad revenue, thus more money for slashdot :)

It's the same reason why you see so many Apple related posts on Engadget.

Re:Breaking News! (1)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 4 years ago | (#30546138)

What I don't understand is why these high resolution apps can't be for the next generation iPhone...

Compared to the Droid, the screen on the iPhone is lacking. Apple might be looking to compete with them.

Hello. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543452)

Alright gentlemen, I'm in a bit of a bind. You see, I had some time here in my cubicle where my boss and co-workers were out to lunch (I'm across the pond from you Yanks). After already eaten a huge burrito I felt the need to "break wind." Figuring that it'd be courteous to do so along I let her rip. Well, now my co-workers and boss are back in the office. And now I think I might have accidentally shat myself.

I'm pretty sure I feel the warm stream of feces running down my leg as I'm now typing this. So what am I to do? I'm pretty positive that my co-workers can smell what's going on, judging by the stench. The bathroom is way down the hall past my boss' office. If he stops me while I'm walking by I fear that he will immediately know what's going on as well. Heck, even if I make it to the bathroom I don't have a change of clothes and my pants are practically stained all the way through...

Re:Hello. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543532)

Have you heard of a thing called suicide?

It really helps you stop posting stupid posts on slashdot.

(p.s. captcha was "flaming")

I wouldn't get it... (1, Informative)

thefirelane (586885) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543474)

I'm not buying it, rumor has it that they'll be updating the iPhone sometime after version 4 is released... safer to wait.

Re:I wouldn't get it... (0)

dunezone (899268) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543650)

Would you say its safari to wait?

Re:I wouldn't get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30545384)

ugggh. go kill yourself

Re:I wouldn't get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30545898)

only if you come with me.

Re:I wouldn't get it... (2, Insightful)

onefriedrice (1171917) | more than 4 years ago | (#30545656)

Would you say its safari to wait?

No... I wouldn't.

Attention!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543500)

Steve Jobs is taking dump.
ifone is the best chinese portable in the world.

I am feeling a little nauseated... (1)

divisionbyzero (300681) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543534)

by the incessant Apple rumor-mongering lately. I love Apple products but I don't need to hear about every little detail. Is it really a surprise to anyone that Apple is preparing to upgrade its hardware to something comparable to the Droid or the forthcoming Nexus One? Frankly I'd rather be surprised but here I am reading this article, right? Now I feel self-loathing setting in... Great!

iDont get the hype either (1)

Liquidrage (640463) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543618)

Now that there's legit competition for the iPhone in the form of the Droid (and most likely the Nexus One as well) obviously Apple needs to improve their product offering. The amount of info in this rumor is about a sneeze worth.

iPhone 4 Rumors Rumble (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543604)

I knew when I read the headline that I was in for another slashvertisement and PR for IPhone.

I do wish these things would be correctly labelled as publicity handout rather than the phony, "Hey, guess what I heard..." I'm-your-pal style nonsense.

Cameras .. (2, Interesting)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543706)

What about the current generation of iPod touch which is missing the camera - and every man and his dog was expecting it to have one. Or even the tablet that is likely to be coming out next year. Apple does make devices other than the iPhone.

Re:Cameras .. (1)

SilverJets (131916) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543792)

That's what I'm waiting for. I don't need a cell phone and I'm not willing to drop the kind of money they want for even the cheapest 3GS iPhone to get the functionality. But, if Apple were to put a camera in the Touch I'd buy one immediately, it is the only thing the device is missing.

Re:Cameras .. (2, Interesting)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544186)

I was in an Apple store the other day and played around with the video camera on the Nano. Then I went and looked at the iPod Touch and noticed that on the back of the Touch (in the same relative position as the lens on the back of the Nano) is a plastic insert the size and shape of the lens on the Nano. I think the rumors of Apple pulling the camera from the current generation Touch at the last moment are probably true. Hopefully the camera will appear soon. I also have no need for an iPhone, but I do for an iPod Touch with a camera.

Re:Cameras .. (2, Informative)

IKnwThePiecesFt (693955) | more than 4 years ago | (#30546612)

My understanding is that's where the wifi antenna lives so that it can get reception despite the rest of the back being metallic.

5 Megapixel camera?!? Why this thing again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543728)

With mainstream phones going high with 12+MP en HD video cameras, frankly the 5MB I heard about the new phone are ludicrously pathetic.
Certain innovation seems to never have reached America?

Why is this news after all, an underperforming status symbol from a totally close minded corporation who pretends to be better than anyone else (or fools everybody into it) and that grabs its loving customers so strong into its arms with fixed do/don't do action lists as if it owned them..

Then come fixed subscription costs in America and other countries, skyrocketing for this phone only for no reason at all, despite insufficient Internet coverage in many of them.

And extra applications you have to pay to get anything out of it, but you may buy just the things they want you to buy according to their free will.. but they're forever bound to your credit card in the meantime.

Oh, please, PLEASE. No, thanks.

Re:5 Megapixel camera?!? Why this thing again? (3, Interesting)

Voyager529 (1363959) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543928)

[citation needed] for phones taking 12MP photos. Additionally, in the case of camera phones, the true upgrades need to be done on the CMOS sensors, which are terrible in anything but broad daylight. "HD Video" from a camera phone is, as far as I have seen, almost always a joke as well. yes technically it may have more than 480 horizontal lines of resolution, but the quality has always lagged severely behind digital cameras and camcorders, and throwing more megapixels at it isn't the answer. The issue is that everyone wants devices that are smaller, thinner, have longer battery life, and can withstand abuse. Pro photographers and videographers still use huge cameras for a reason.

Re:5 Megapixel camera?!? Why this thing again? (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544812)

Pro photographers and videographers still use huge cameras for a reason.

And the #1 reason: All their old analog lenses fit the new digital cameras (from the same companies). Lock-in baby.

Re:5 Megapixel camera?!? Why this thing again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30544930)

Citations:

Samsung i8910HD , 8MB, real 720p mp4 video:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8910_omnia_hd-2691.php
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-phones/mobile-phones/touch-screen/GT-I8910DKAXEN/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail

Sony Ericsson Satio, 12MP Camera.
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_satio_%28idou%29-2683.php

Watch videos or pictures from some internet reviews about those and then come (apple)zealously tell me again that "MP are a marketing stunt", if you dare :-)

Not sure if any of those are sold in the US though, somewhere in Europe the first is to be found for around $500/600 free of simlock and subscription, for example.
Alright, Symbian is no MacOS and still close sourced plus a harsh competition makes a centralized store impossible, but still: they remain brilliant value for money.

Informative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30545156)

Citation needed? What the hell is wrong with you. Check out SEMC Satio, or Samsung phones. Both have 12 Mpix cameras.

The cameras are lightyears ahead of some iphone shit too.

Have you been living under a fucking rock or something?

Re:Informative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30545608)

I didn't mean to bother interfere, but.. my wild guess is that he's been living under an apple, actually.

Re:5 Megapixel camera?!? Why this thing again? (5, Informative)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544130)

MP counts say nothing. I have used a 1.3MP digital camera from the early 00's that takes better pictures than every camera phone I ever used. Unless you get a phone with optical zoom you can almost be guaranteed the quality will be crap.

1 good megapixel is better than 8 crap ones

Re:5 Megapixel camera?!? Why this thing again? (2, Interesting)

anethema (99553) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544482)

Agreed. Not only that, but increasing the megapixels while having the same sensor size leads to more noise. I think 3MP is a good sweet spot for phone cameras. Just work on the optics and you could have something usable!

Especially with "Snappy" for the iPhone (in Cydia) you can bring up the camera app ready to take pictures in under a second.

The camera you have with you (1)

earnest murderer (888716) | more than 4 years ago | (#30545082)

Is better than the one you left at home.

Re:5 Megapixel camera?!? Why this thing again? (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30546364)

Indeed - but then by this reasoning, why is it news in the first place that a possible future version of an existing Apple product might have a 5 MP camera? If MP isn't relevant, this shouldn't be newsworthy in the first place.

Re:5 Megapixel camera?!? Why this thing again? (5, Informative)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544228)

"With mainstream phones going high with 12+MP en HD video cameras, frankly the 5MB I heard about the new phone are ludicrously pathetic."

Other way around, actually. A 12 MP (or even a 5 MP) sensor in a cell phone is a ludicrously pathetic marketing trick. As a practical matter, a typical cell phone lens is going to give you about 2 MP. Pairing that with a high resolution sensor just means you're measuring the blur more accurately, and wasting storage and processing capacity. Note - there ARE some (rare) cell phones that use bigger lenses, and those might actually get 3 or 4 MP, but definitely not 12.

You can measure the MTF yourself if you want. Last time I had this argument with somebody he actually posted a picture from his 5 MP cell phone camera and we compared with an appropriately blurred version from my 6 MP SLR. Guess what? His picture had an effective resolution of about 2 MP (and horrible noise). Which brings up another point - small lenses will always give you poor low light performance, but you make it much, much worse by trying to capture an crazy number of pixels to boot.

The cell phone appears to be the last bastion of the megapixel myth. Camera manufacturers have started giving up that marketing tactic, with newer cameras going to less resolution and emphasizing noise performance. If the rumors are true, it's actually too bad Apple has given into this ploy... although it's probably hard to source lower resolution sensors now.

The only thing really worth while... (1)

Ronin Developer (67677) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543760)

is having a version that can work on either GSM or CDMA based on an inter-changable carrier module.

That would unlease the iPhone from AT&T and permit it to be used on a network that can support the load.

I still get irritated that AT&T tries to counter Verizon with that stupid Post-card covered coverage map. Verizon doesn't say anything about AT&T's voice coverage ... they only remark on the piss poor 3G coverage (needed for data). AT&T is trying to compare Apples to Aston Martins.

Development (3, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543772)

... development is underway for the new iPhone 4...

I hate to break it to you but development for iPhone 4 was probably underway, oh, about a year or more ago. Heck, development for iPhone 5 features are probably underway right now as well. Apple is, among many things, a very forward-thinking company (like virtually all companies of their size and success) so they are developing many things that are years (plural) away from release.

In other words, this is news how? Who here didn't already know that development was underway?

Finally! (1)

Mr Stubby (1122233) | more than 4 years ago | (#30543796)

I was only commenting to a mate a few weeks ago that i was supprised at the lack of iphone 4 rumours but it seems its begun.. I'm not big on alot of the BS from Apple, but the annual rumour mill on the next iphone is always a load of fun. I only have a few requests, make it easier to get the freakin sim card out, make the touch screen extend past the screen so u can scroll etc off the screen without your fingers getting in the road and i'll be a happy chappy!

it's already shipping! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543830)

It's called the N900 [ducks...]

But seriously, that's where the action is for open platform phones. It's less locked down than either the iPhone or the Androids. And you get root right out of the box, no need to jailbreak it.

Re:it's already shipping! (1)

east coast (590680) | more than 4 years ago | (#30546124)

But seriously, that's where the action is for open platform phones.

I'm sorry but I really have to say this: 95% of people with a cell today don't know what an open platform is. Of the other 5% a good 90% of them don't care.

Open only matters if you really want to make something out of what you're given. Most people can't be bothered to do more with what they have in their phones today. Why do you think Twitter is still such a joke to most of the people who own cells?

This is the same reason that open source on the PC means so little to most people.

oh really ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543938)

Oh what a shock: a phone company will release a new version of their flagship product. And what a sensation: it will include a crappy CMOS camera too !
I think you could run that story for each and every phone company. Better still, the other phone companies offer choice in their range so ytou'd have to run the same article multiple times a year...

Planned obsolescense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30543972)

So, have they finally figured out a way of fitting the
And don't give me this "most people only use their phone for a year so its pointless to make one that lasts longer" crap. Plenty of people using 5+ and 10 year old phones that still work perfectly. Even if nobody will be using it as their primary phone doesn't mean it should break after less than 2 years.

I still don't understand how a company like Apple can get an award from Greenpeace for being environmentally friendly when they produce such disposable crap and go out of their way to enforce planned obsolescense.

Posting as AC to avoid the wrath of overzealous Mac fanboys.

Re:Planned obsolescense (1)

Phroggy (441) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544148)

I still don't understand how a company like Apple can get an award from Greenpeace for being environmentally friendly when they produce such disposable crap and go out of their way to enforce planned obsolescense.

They got that because they have an environmental policy. Doesn't really matter what's in the policy, but Greenpeace condemned them for not having one, then Apple released a policy, and Greenpeace rejoiced, even though Apple hadn't actually changed anything they were doing.

Precisely (1)

earnest murderer (888716) | more than 4 years ago | (#30545126)

Greenpeace isn't in the ecology business. They're in the high profile environmental crusade business.

If things changed, they'd be out of business.

Touchscreen Phone's Need HDTV Reception (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30544010)

Will Apple be generous enough to give us all HD TV reception. The TV reception is after all free, and we know how not being able to make any moey off of a feature drive Apple nuts.

My guess is that the Google phones will have this first. Just look at history. Apple = proprietary everything, with a hoarding of everything to themselves. Google and IBM, a little more open and easier to get along with. This behavior dates back to the 70's and 80's for those of us who have been around since the beginning. Apple ahas always been overpriced, not willing o get along with other computer makers, and just plain unreasonable in general.

Re:Touchscreen Phone's Need HDTV Reception (1)

ckaminski (82854) | more than 4 years ago | (#30546456)

Are you kidding? IBM? Open? They are by their very nature NOT open (with the exception of Java to push their services). I almost choked on my coffee.

OLED screen with resistive touch yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30544092)

Yawn. Call me when the phones with organic LED screens that use resistive pressure sensing (rather than capacitive touch sensing, which sucks donkey balls since my scarred fingertips don't work on capacitive) hit the market.

Re:OLED screen with resistive touch yet? (0, Troll)

anethema (99553) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544548)

Sorry your majesty. I'm sure apple will release a shitty resistive touchscreen phone to accommodate your scarred fingers.

Well hooray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30544154)

iPhone is soon at nearing smartphones with 4 year old Symbian technology.
I guess it's time to whip out the champaign!

The whole USA seems to think there were no smartphones of any kind in existence until Google (Android) and Apple (iPhone) came up with their product propositions. But in reality the rest of the world has enjoyed similar stuff (of course with somewhat crappier UI) since like 6 years ago.

12-megapixel smartphone cameras is the shit now. iPhone comes up with 5 Mpix. Serious question: so what?

Re:Well hooray (1)

ckaminski (82854) | more than 4 years ago | (#30546492)

I remember buying my Kyocera 6035 PalmOS smartphone in 2001, so the smartphone craze goes back a bit farther than 6 years. To think that phone lasted me almost 4 years.

In other news.... (1)

RealRedMist (1626091) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544216)

In other news, Microsoft planning successor to Xbox 360, Nintendo planning successor to Wii, Sony planning successor to PS3, Microsoft successor to Windows 7, bears shit in the woods, pope catholic, etc

5 megapixels? (1)

desmogod (792414) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544268)

A 5 megapixel CCD is still completely useless unless they fix the abysmal image quality issues. My 3Gs has a 3.2 and should be more than capable of producing a nice photo. It doesn't.

Features? (1)

waa (159514) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544546)

Will it be able to make phone calls?

How unpredictable and surprising (1)

devleopard (317515) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544902)

Apple is going to release a new version of the iPhone in the summer? Wow, how surprising and unprecedented

Wonderful (-1, Flamebait)

daveime (1253762) | more than 4 years ago | (#30544938)

A related rumor holds that Apple has ordered 40-45 million 5-megapixel cameras, which might hint at new functionality

Oooo, on June 28th -- July 2nd 2010, the Apple fanbois can enjoy the same functionality the rest of the world has had for at least 2 years. How proud you must all be of this latest Apple "groundbreaking innovation".

Pity there's no Sarcasm mod, I'll have to put up with the usual Flamebait or Offtopic I guess.

lucky number 7 (1)

secondhand_Buddah (906643) | more than 4 years ago | (#30546582)

I'm holding out for the iPhone 7....

Easy to predict! (1)

LynnwoodRooster (966895) | more than 4 years ago | (#30546752)

Just look at the features available in other smart phones for the last 6 years... Since the big update for the 3GS phone was the addition of this thing called "cut and paste", I predict the next big change will be in the hardware realm, where Apple will invent some way of sticking a thing called a MicroSD memory card into the phone! Innovation at Apple will abound evermore!
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