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iPhone, Apple TV Headline MacWorld Keynote

Zonk posted about 8 years ago | from the iphone-looks-pretty-good-eh dept.

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Steve Jobs kept his audience rapt at the MacWorld keynote today. He rehashed the announcement of the iTV, now called Apple TV, and announced the iPhone, a revolutionary phone/ipod/wrist-computer that had MacWorld attendees sitting on the edge of their seats. Retailing for $499 (4 gig)/$599 (8 gig), it has to be seen to be believed. It uses a touch screen with a new form of input control, runs OSX and many standard applications, and connects to the internet via WiFi. It has a camera, functions as a movie player, a music player, and can send emails and photos in the middle of a phone call. From the Engadget coverage: "'[OSX] let us create desktop class applications and networking, not the crippled stuff you find on most phones, these are real desktop applications.' He's quoting Alan Kay - 'People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware.' 'So we're bringing breakthrough software to a mobile device for the first time.'" Seriously, go check this out. They're going to print money with this thing.

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June in USA, 2008 in Asia... 2015 in Brazil? (2, Funny)

partenon (749418) | about 8 years ago | (#17525802)

If it'll be available in June in USA and 2008 in Asia, when will be available in Brazil? :-( I want that one !!

CES? (3, Funny)

vought (160908) | about 8 years ago | (#17525866)


"And in other news, flights from Las Vegas to San Francisco immediately sold out today..."

Re:June in USA, 2008 in Asia... 2015 in Brazil? (3, Informative)

partenon (749418) | about 8 years ago | (#17525896)

By the way, you can see the live transcription of the MacWorld at http://www.macrumorslive.com/ [macrumorslive.com] .

He, he, ... (1)

hummassa (157160) | about 8 years ago | (#17526068)

just go to the nearest "popular" shopping fair -- Shopping Oiapoque in Belo Horizonte or the 25 de Março street in São Paulo... :-)
Seriously, my jaw is wide open with this thing also.

Also out: Airport Extreme 802.11n (5, Informative)

vought (160908) | about 8 years ago | (#17526176)

Not anounced in the keynote, but Apple is shipping a mini/tv form-factor 802.11n hub. Appletv will have 802.11n.

Availability in Europe (1)

DJPenguin (17736) | about 8 years ago | (#17525806)

Looks like we won't be getting it until the end of the year - but hopefully that will mean 3G instead of EDGE for those of us in the UK! I don't know if my Treo is going to last that long...

Out in june (1)

binxbonx (1002571) | about 8 years ago | (#17525814)

Too bad I have to wait until summer to get one though.

Photos: (-1, Redundant)

freaktheclown (826263) | about 8 years ago | (#17525816)

Engadget has photos up of the iPhone here: http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/live-from-macwo rld-2007-steve-jobs-keynote [engadget.com]

Re:Photos: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#17526014)

That's the same link the article has.

Did you try clicking on the link before posting this?

Leopard? (5, Insightful)

davidoff404 (764733) | about 8 years ago | (#17525820)

The iPhone does indeed look cool, but I was kind of hoping to find out some new stuff about Leopard. Is it just me, or were there no announcements about the new version of OS X at all?

Re:Leopard? (3, Informative)

Moby Cock (771358) | about 8 years ago | (#17525934)

Sadly no. The Keynote focused on the Apple TV and th iPhone.

Re:Leopard? (1, Troll)

Picass0 (147474) | about 8 years ago | (#17525952)

Apple has choosen not to unveil Leopard until after Vista ships (June-ish). They don't want MS running their photocopiers this time. Any new Apple computers will probably wait until then.

Re:Leopard? (4, Informative)

jsight (8987) | about 8 years ago | (#17526034)

That's not the reason. Vista has already been released to manufacturing, and there certainly would not be any significant changes between now and consumer availability (real soon now).

Re:Leopard? (1)

twbecker (315312) | about 8 years ago | (#17526092)

Umm, Vista has gone RTM already... Care to cite a source for your claims about the Leopard release date?

Re:Leopard? (1)

davidoff404 (764733) | about 8 years ago | (#17526132)

"Apple has choosen not to unveil Leopard until after Vista ships (June-ish). They don't want MS running their photocopiers this time. Any new Apple computers will probably wait until then."

Vista is shipping worldwide at the end of this month and has, as far as I know, already been RTMed. It doesn't really make sense to claim that Microsoft could "copy" any features of Leopard at this stage.

Hell, even if Vista was being released in June that still wouldn't be enough time to code, implement, and test a major new feature addition to the OS.

Re:Leopard and June 1 (4, Interesting)

Picass0 (147474) | about 8 years ago | (#17526172)

You might also notice the iphone doesn't ship until June. Sounds like the iPhone will run Leopard.

Re:Leopard? (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | about 8 years ago | (#17526070)

I think this is in line with the name change they announced as well. No longer "Apple Computer Inc." Now just "Apple Inc"....

Re:Leopard? (1)

summerofsweat (861735) | about 8 years ago | (#17526094)

Well, they did drop 'computer' from their name.

Gonna be a long wait 'til June (1)

egomaniac (105476) | about 8 years ago | (#17525824)

I'm going to have to buy two of these things (one for my wife as well). Can't believe I have to wait until June!

Wireless, but still less space than a Nomad (4, Funny)

allanc (25681) | about 8 years ago | (#17525826)

Oh man, I was totally with them up until the prices. I was preparing to pull out my credit card and spend an extra few months in debt. But... $500 for a 4gig and $600 for an 8gig? My MP3 collection is 13gigs. I'd have to shell out $500 and I'd *still* have to carry around my iPod. Oh, and also, I'd probably also have to switch from T-Mobile to Cingular.

I'll wait for the next iteration.

Re:Wireless, but still less space than a Nomad (5, Funny)

codeshack (753630) | about 8 years ago | (#17525910)

Yeah, but soon it'll be the iPhone shuffle -- just hit a button and it calls one of your friends at random!

Re:Wireless, but still less space than a Nomad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#17525958)

But what if it comes in Brown?

Re:Wireless, but still less space than a Nomad (1)

Jahz (831343) | about 8 years ago | (#17526088)

Oh man, I was totally with them up until the prices. I was preparing to pull out my credit card and spend an extra few months in debt. But... $500 for a 4gig and $600 for an 8gig? My MP3 collection is 13gigs. I'd have to shell out $500 and I'd *still* have to carry around my iPod. Oh, and also, I'd probably also have to switch from T-Mobile to Cingular.

Me too. The prices are about $100 higher than the max I would have thought. 2-year contract is acceptable, but a downer. My collection is 20gb, but an 8gb phone would be fine. Just put your favorite few hundred songs on there! The real problem is that programs will probably take most of the space :(

Ownd (1, Flamebait)

moofdaddy (570503) | about 8 years ago | (#17525830)

Thank god I don't own stock in phone companies right now.

Re:Ownd (4, Funny)

vought (160908) | about 8 years ago | (#17526102)

Dear Motorola:

Thanks for taking so long with the 620. And for dragging your feet with the 603 . Oh - and the higher frequency G4s? Thanks for taking so long with that.

Hope your margins are more than RAZR thin!


Apple, Inc.

"Never seen a presentation like this before" (4, Funny)

zookie (136959) | about 8 years ago | (#17525834)

Even for those who cover all the MacWorld talks, this was BIG:

"People are rapt, everyone is actually literally leaning forward and on the edge of their seat. We've never seen a presentation like this before."

first post? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#17525836)

I saw this on CNN hours ago. Just sayin...

What you have really been waiting for. (5, Funny)

cloudkiller (877302) | about 8 years ago | (#17525838)

Just announced, Microsoft confirms the Plume. It's a phone that's 3 ½ inches thick, runs the full- blown windows vista, plays the new we-promise-it-will-always-play DRM'd music and has 9600 baud dial up modem, and has the ability to take and print pictures with optional ink and paper tray attachment. Welcome to the social, now where is everyone.

I've been waiting for that all day.....

Re:What you have really been waiting for. (1)

joetheappleguy (865543) | about 8 years ago | (#17526120)

If there ever was a post that deserves to break the +5 Funny limit, this is it!!!

Well done!

First Pocket (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#17525844)

where this baby goes will be mine

Alternate Name (5, Funny)

Lev13than (581686) | about 8 years ago | (#17525846)


WOW. (1)

autojive (560399) | about 8 years ago | (#17525848)

I seriously put off upgrading my crappy mobile phone based off these rumors and since it's not going to be available until June, I guess I'll have to suffer with the piece of junk for another 6 months. I can't wait.

Cue Apple Fanboys, Critics... (1)

asklepius (456552) | about 8 years ago | (#17525852)

but seriously, doesn't that phone look like it could rock the world? I can't wait to see it in the metal!

Mac=Pwned (1)

kirk26 (811030) | about 8 years ago | (#17525854)

A million Mac users were suddenly silenced by hearing the price!

Price to high (3, Informative)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | about 8 years ago | (#17525858)

$499 (4 gig) $599 (8 gig) with a 2 year plan is a lot and Cingular forces you get a smart phone data contract plan with a smart phone to get the 2 year deal price.
It is $ 40 just for the data.
So like you will $60 + month $40 for data $20 + for voice.

Re:Price to high (4, Insightful)

vought (160908) | about 8 years ago | (#17526016)

So like you will $60 + month $40 for data $20 + for voice.

And those prices will be exactly the same in June because you can see the future.

Seriously - they'll be able to sell data in volume now. Price will drop or be bundled with voice.

This device makes data compelling for everyone else - not just Johnny Businessman. It is what the phone companies built the data networks for in the first place.

Re:Price to high (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#17526106)

Why would they charge less for it when they could charge the same?

Any mention of other carriers getting ahold of it? If so, then we'll entertain the notion of prices going down.

Re:Price to high (1)

Thansal (999464) | about 8 years ago | (#17526096)

I am wondering if those prices are before or after the discount for having a plan with them, I am honestly guessing that it is before, and the endprices will be closer to $300/$350 and $400/$450.

Re:Price to high (4, Interesting)

Danathar (267989) | about 8 years ago | (#17526140)

Who says you have to subscribe and use the phone function? How long do you think before it has skype running on it?

I want that screen. (2)

DJ_Adequate (699393) | about 8 years ago | (#17525860)

I hope they move that screen onto the larger iPods. I don't really need a new phone, and it won't hold enough for me at 8 gig anyway--but put that high-res screen on an iPod video and I'd pay the $599 in a heartbeat. My only disappointment is that for all the hardware and software advances this thing provides, it's still locked into the carriers 'two-year contract' business model.

Covet, covet (4, Funny)

plover (150551) | about 8 years ago | (#17525880)

OK, where do I have to go to stand in line?

Great phone, shitty provider (4, Interesting)

jgaynor (205453) | about 8 years ago | (#17525890)

I was drooling during the presentation - I could even stomach the price tag, but not with a provider (Cingular) who charges like $60/month plus taxes for unlimited data. This is a DATA device. Yes it's a phone, but all of the live data eye-candy is worthless if it only works within 40 feet of your house or local WAP. The $500 or $600 is only the beginning, you're going to pay FAR out the ass over the life of this phone.

WITH Contract (4, Informative)

MindStalker (22827) | about 8 years ago | (#17525892)

Thats $599 WITH a 2 year Cingular contract.

ARG thats insane. Probably $899 by itself if even available.

Re:WITH Contract (1)

jayhawk88 (160512) | about 8 years ago | (#17526062)

If it's really going to be exclusive with Cingular, you're right, you probably can't even buy it without a contract. Which is too bad, I'm sure more than a few users who don't like Cingular will take a pass on it solely for this reason. I wonder what Cingular brought to the party to get this kind of a sweet deal?

Also, Apple should do themselves a favor and drop the "iPod" portion from this and go after the business market.

To quote Taco (0, Offtopic)

mattbot 5000 (645961) | about 8 years ago | (#17525898)

No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

Re:To quote Taco (1)

asklepius (456552) | about 8 years ago | (#17525986)

except that this one DOES have WiFi.

The name (5, Interesting)

moofdaddy (570503) | about 8 years ago | (#17525902)

CNBC is reporting that apple was in negotiations with CISCO over the name into last night. They're supposed to sign all the paper work today, but its still unclear who will own it and how much apple will pay.

CNET confirms it (5, Informative)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | about 8 years ago | (#17526182)

I didn't see anything on CNBC's web site, but CNET says that heard it directly from Cisco [com.com] .

10:32--Cisco calls CNET News.com reporter with a statement about Apple's use of the term "iPhone" for its new product. "Given Apple's numerous requests for permission to use Cisco's iPhone trademark over the past several years and our extensive discussions with them recently, it is our belief that with their announcement today, Apple intends to agree to the final document and public statements that were distributed to them last night and that address a few remaining items we expect to receive a signed agreement today."

Battery life? (4, Insightful)

chemical55 (446280) | about 8 years ago | (#17525914)

Any word on battery life on this thing?

Re:Battery life? (5, Informative)

sRev (846312) | about 8 years ago | (#17526082)

Pretty sure he said 5 hours talk time and 16 hours of "just music" playback.

Re:Battery life? (1)

Deep Fried Geekboy (807607) | about 8 years ago | (#17526122)

5 hrs w/video, 16 for audio only. Hmmm. Dunno about standby.

Re:Battery life? (1)

peetola (700206) | about 8 years ago | (#17526124)

5 hours talk/video time
16 hours of just audio

Insane hardware -- a few thoughts/concerns (4, Interesting)

SilentChris (452960) | about 8 years ago | (#17525918)

I'm not really an Apple geek but that's some really insane hardware for the form factor. The price is hefty, but I'm impressed they packed in what they could to something that slim. It's going to be a hacker's wet dream.

A few small thoughts:

1.) No 3G. Wi-fi, Bluetooth, etc. are nice though.
2.) They push it as an internet device, with messaging/email/etc. but lack of a physical keyboard? I don't know. I mean, I know and you know we'll love it regardless, but will this really sway the Blackberry junkies?
3.) What is this thing really running? "OS X"? FreeBSD -- they mean that? I'd be curious also what the chips are (no way in hell is PortalPlayer powering graphics like this).

Very cool device. Should be impossible to find, but I'll get one anyway. :)

Re:Insane hardware -- a few thoughts/concerns (1)

Strudelkugel (594414) | about 8 years ago | (#17526086)

Yes, very cool. But let's see what happens after he drops it on the floor. Given how many times I have dropped my phone, I wonder about the durability of the large screen devices. I wouldn't switch Cingular to get one. Sure does raise the bar! ;-)

Re:Insane hardware -- a few thoughts/concerns (1)

Moby Cock (771358) | about 8 years ago | (#17526156)

It really is quite astounding. I can hardly wait until the first hands-on reviews come out. Moreover, the first disassembly stories. I can not wait to see what is under the hood of these. Amazing.

i want one... at some point. (1)

gaspar ilom (859751) | about 8 years ago | (#17525920)

but: $599 + a two year contract, and Cingular is currently the only service provider? It's otherwise pretty cool... but maybe I should wait until the 2nd generation, and when there's other carriers + no contract necessary?

Not LAME! (4, Funny)

Prien715 (251944) | about 8 years ago | (#17525926)

Finally it has wireless and more space than a nomad! Truly unlame;)

(For those of you not in on the joke [slashdot.org] )

Lame (-1, Redundant)

American AC in Paris (230456) | about 8 years ago | (#17525928)

Still less space than a Nomad. Hella-lame.

Wrist computer?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#17525930)

Yeah, it's only a "wrist computer" in the sense that some people's wrists have been getting a workout when they think about owning one.

From practicing their touch screen motions, of course. (Cough.)

price (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#17525936)

Retailing for $499 (4 gig)/$599 (8 gig)
+ a 2 year Cingular contract

but nice to see a phone/tablet/pda that *seems* to embedded a full OS..... and for the iPhone name, let's just call it the NuTon

I thought iPhone's retail price was not available. (1)

cOdEgUru (181536) | about 8 years ago | (#17525938)

I am not sure if the price of the iPhone was mentioned during the Keynote.

At 499/- it will have to be subsidized heavily by the carrier before it will get widely adopted.

And whats with the "pay me $100 and I will give you 4 Gigs extra"? Isnt it better to wave a few more carrots along with that $599 pricetag so that people would want to line up?

Meanwhile, in Redmond (5, Funny)

bonch (38532) | about 8 years ago | (#17525944)

Ballmer is all out of chairs.

I for one... (1)

Maud_UK (1012119) | about 8 years ago | (#17525946)

I for one welcome our new iMasters.

iPhone... (1)

garcia (6573) | about 8 years ago | (#17525948)

Well, the iPhone is an impressive looking device. I only have a few serious concerns with it:

1. Cingular is the only US provider? I'm not a Cingular subscriber nor will I become one. That's disappointing, seriously.

2. So far, the device is priced quite high for a two year contract signing. Those prices should be what the device costs without a contract.

3. I love the idea of the touch screen with the proximity sensors to turn it on and off (the biggest complaint I have with touchscreen phones is your ear touching buttons while you're talking) but I don't know how well I will be able to type on it. I use my mobile device constantly for e-mail, IM, taking notes, and browsing. Tactile is something I have grown used to (touch typing). How will I handle no buttons?

I love the idea of location aware applications, I just wonder how/where that data is stored. Is it just used locally or will Google and Apple, Inc. now know everything about where I go as well?

Overall a great idea with a bad choice of mobile providers.

Re:iPhone... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#17526112)

Well it would have only been Cingular or T-Mobile in USA because they are the only GSM providers aren't they ?
No one in their right mind would make a non-GSM phone.

ah yes... (1)

teknopurge (199509) | about 8 years ago | (#17525956)

I have, and will continue to welcome our new Apple overlords....

iPhone is disappointing (4, Interesting)

0racle (667029) | about 8 years ago | (#17525960)

Cingular exclusive. That sucks. The announced prices are with a 2yr contract as well. Other then not switching my service just for a phone merged with a iPod, the device could have been made so much better as the return of the Newton. I was hoping for a smart phone that would work with almost any service, sync to my MacBook and could act as a bluetooth modem.

Only interesting thing to wait for now is a release date for Leopard.

This raises some important questions... (1)

Skyshadow (508) | about 8 years ago | (#17525964)

This raises some important questions, such as what the hell I'm going to do about that year I have remaining on my current Cingular contract. Stupid Razr.

The biggest trouble Apple's going to have is getting this into the hands of people who want it but are locked into other contracts where they got free phones. If they were really smart, they'll have strong-armed Cingular into not marking the phones up very much for their existing customers.

Stupid Razr.

Re:This raises some important questions... (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | about 8 years ago | (#17526058)

I think that Cingular will yet switch to this phone while you are still under a older contract from them.

Name Change (5, Informative)

jivemonkey (776115) | about 8 years ago | (#17525966)

Not mentioned in the article Apple Computer, inc. has changed it's name to Apple, inc. Just a tidbit I thought I would mention.

They've done it (2, Insightful)

hcdejong (561314) | about 8 years ago | (#17525968)

Finally, a phone with a usable UI. Steve was right to refer to the 1984 introduction of the Mac. The iPhone looks to be just as much of a quantum leap.

Cingular only? For shame, Apple! (2, Insightful)

bheer (633842) | about 8 years ago | (#17525976)

Seriously, why couldn't this have been network-independent? Surely they don't expect Apple folk to lemming-like move to Cingular?

Re:Cingular only? For shame, Apple! (2, Insightful)

technomancerX (86975) | about 8 years ago | (#17526162)

Yup, I would have bought one in a heartbeat if it was unlocked... but they'd have to pay me to switch to Cingular, as they are HORRIBLE in my area.

SJRDF in full effect (1)

Deep Fried Geekboy (807607) | about 8 years ago | (#17525978)

... but they did indeed hit the ball out of the park on this one. This has everything I hoped for and more. 160ppi screen is fantastic. The only bummers are battery life, price, and Cingular lock-in, but all of those things may change.

Big question is whether the phone will run 3rd party software, since developers could make a lot of money off this.

Surprising (1)

kaleco (801384) | about 8 years ago | (#17525982)

The spec sheet actually reads like a collection of the more optimistic rumours. Multi-touch, 160dpi screen? Mobile OS X? It looks like Cingular have got Apple into a more restrictive partnership though (iPhone is Cingular exclusive in the US), probably after the Motorola debacle.

Good PDA, crapass phone... (1)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | about 8 years ago | (#17525984)

I want something with a tactile keypad. Why? So I can use it with gloves on without looking at it too much. Then again, I think it's a great PDA or palmtop. What the Newton could have been if they kept developing it.


Say what? (2, Insightful)

RasputinAXP (12807) | about 8 years ago | (#17525988)

They're going to print money with this thing.

Not at that price tag, they're not. That's with a two year agreement with Cingular. That's way, way beyond most peoples' price points, and with "only" 4 or 8 gigs of storage, it's roughly useless for the people who WOULD use it.

It's a hybrid bastardization of several products that turned out to be a poor idea.

There should have been a touch screen iPod announced as well, for those of us who have other, more sane cell providers.

AT&T? (1)

vertinox (846076) | about 8 years ago | (#17525990)

Ungh... I have moral reservations about having Cingular (who is owned by ATT now) as my cell phone provider. Mostly because of the NSA wiretapping implications, but also due to horrid service they gave my friend of an ex one time.

Although... Does anyone else here have good things to say about Cingular? SprintPCS is so so in coverage, but their service is ok for me. Verizon has better service in general, but I tend to not like their phones.

So... Eh? Its cool, but I'm just leery of the cell phone company themselves and not Apple. Could we switch out SIM cards?

Looks like it will be called iPhone after all (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#17525994)

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)-- Cisco Systems Inc. (CSCO) may have beaten Apple Computer Inc. (AAPL) to the iPhone name, but it seems Apple will gain the rights to the trademark, after all. Apple's chief executive, Steve Jobs, announced earlier Tuesday that the company's long-anticipated phone product will be called iPhone. The name is familiar to those who remember that Cisco unveiled a line of Internet-based phone devices called iPhone just last month. Cisco said it has been in talks with Apple about the trademark and expects a signed agreement later Tuesday.

Where Are The New Displays?? (1)

Black-Man (198831) | about 8 years ago | (#17525996)

And the new Mac Pro's? Not sexy enough?

Prophetic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#17526008)

Seriously, go check this out. They're going to print money with this thing.
Anyone else think that this might end up looking as stupid as Slashdot's comments on the iPod when it was first announced?

An interesting time for Mac developers (5, Insightful)

Chief Typist (110285) | about 8 years ago | (#17526028)

Since this new device runs OSX, it's a great time for those of us with Mac development experience. A whole new (and huge) market for our products.

Likewise, there's a new incentive for Windows-only applications to get ported to OSX so they can run on the iPhone.

Personally, I think that the term "revolutionary" gets used way too much. But in the case of the iPhone, it seems appropriate.


New Products! (1)

vancondo (986849) | about 8 years ago | (#17526032)

I'm not a big fan of apple products. With that caveat I'd say the following:

Apple TV: 720p? meh. I don't think this is going to do too well.

iPhone: Ok. You've got me. This one looks f***ing AWESOME. I'd worry about that screen getting all scratched up, but I'm reasonably gentle with my gadgetry. Just give me an unlocked one. If these turn out to be half as good as they look then they've got my smartphone beat for sure!

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iPhone Cingular only in the US (1)

PPGMD (679725) | about 8 years ago | (#17526042)

Multi-year contract that makes the phone Cingular only which means that you either have to switch (easier said then done) or wait a few years before you can get one.

Also the keypad seems cool, but in my experience touch screens are flunky, you can't tell which button you are on my feel, you get fingerprints on them which makes them harder to read, and finally even in direct sun light, even the best anti-glare screens are hard to read in direct sun light. I'll wait for until they improve it a lot. Finally 4-8GB is a little small to hold both music and video.

Just one more thing... it's an ebook reader. (4, Insightful)

Catbeller (118204) | about 8 years ago | (#17526046)

My oldest dream. A real ebook reader.

Even if we get a simple text file display app, the ebook is finally here.

Motorola and Nokia (1)

pppjurac (540429) | about 8 years ago | (#17526050)

Now they have a BIG "Houston, we have a problem" . Nothing less.

Redmond, start your photocopiers (1)

hcdejong (561314) | about 8 years ago | (#17526052)

Based on previous experience (Mac OS: 1984, Windows 95: 1995), MS won't match the 2007 iPhone until 2018.

Cue (0, Redundant)

phalse phace (454635) | about 8 years ago | (#17526054)

Cue "Less space than a nomad. Lame." jokes.... in


Beatles (4, Interesting)

Ducon Lajoie (30475) | about 8 years ago | (#17526076)

Did anyone notice all the Beatles songs displayed during the keynote? That, and the name change to Apple inc., suggest to me that they came to an agreement with Apple records on the long-standing name and distribution issues.

720p Hi-Def and a 40 Gig Hard Drive??? (1)

cOdEgUru (181536) | about 8 years ago | (#17526078)

Aw..come on..

A 40 Gig HD can hold roughly around 10 hours worth of 1080i.

Thats sparse. I hope they come up with something better later, especially when HD prices are still falling.

Or someone figures out how to swipe it out with a store bought IDE.

Non Cell Phone Version (1)

smartin (942) | about 8 years ago | (#17526084)

They should make a version with a hard drive and drop the cell phone functionality and they
would have a more accessible product for a lot of people.

Canada? (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | about 8 years ago | (#17526090)

As usual release dates for the USA, Europe, Japan, etc... but nothing about Canada. We're right north of you, Apple! Same land mass!

can it be unlocked? (1)

carn1fex (613593) | about 8 years ago | (#17526116)

Im not much of a phoneY (har har) but since its GSM it can in theory be unlocked to use on any carrier right?

Impact to GPS device market? Automotive use? (3, Insightful)

Tackhead (54550) | about 8 years ago | (#17526142)

> It uses a touch screen with a new form of input control, runs OSX and many standard applications, and connects to the internet via WiFi.

Assuming WiFi connectivity becomes widespread, I can see Google Maps printing money with this thing too. (If there's no WiFi available, but a cellular tower is within range, Cingular might be able to print money for the data shuffled back and forth while running an application like Google Maps.)

Biggest loser might be GPS device makers: Why spend $500 for a portable GPS unit when you can have the same thing (and get the "killer app" of Google-searchable maps, plus the nice bonus of satellite imagery, which can't be done on a portable GPS unit) in your phone for the same price?

I can also see a nice automotive aftermarket opportunity here. One of these things mounted on the dash, or in an aftermarket console/tray, would be an ergonomic (read: safer) way to do aftermarket GPS.

apple love am total (1)

iocat (572367) | about 8 years ago | (#17526150)

This will definitely make me switch back. I 3 the accelerometer, so it knows if its in landscape or portrait and draws the menu appropriately. This was a big missing feature on the Zune, IMHO.

How cool is this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#17526154)

How cool is this...

Sony and SonyEricsson are shitting their pants right now.

kvp.com [kvp.com]

hackability? (1)

epaulson (7983) | about 8 years ago | (#17526168)

So can we write apps to run on the phone/ipod, or target the Apple TV? It'd be way cool to write some apps that are running on the phone and can actually get at the GPS data, instead of just using the Apple/Google/Yahoo provided software and pages.

In the same vein, can anyone do anything with the Apple TV? Steve didn't talk about any TiVo-like capabilities, so I guess we're stuck recording and streaming from a Mac somewhere else in house. But can we stick a USB capture device on the AppleTV (what are the USB ports for anyway) and record direct on the device?

Why no 3G? (1)

bryz (730558) | about 8 years ago | (#17526170)

I would seriously ditch my Q and verizon if only this thing had 3G. If they're targeting smartphone users, how are they going to convince them to switch to a questionably inferior network with definitely slower network speeds?

Of all killer devices out there, this would be amazing with 3G.

Hopefully the 2008 Asia launch means an US 2008 CDMA/3G launch

Also the if its the visual voicemail thats really keeping it on the cingular network, I'd rather they ditch it. How often do you get so many voicemails that you don't know what to do with them. Usually I have 1 voicemail maybe two at the most in queue at a time.

This is a great device that I would love to get, but i'm sorry they killed the deal with the provider.

Contract (0)

miscz (888242) | about 8 years ago | (#17526174)

Seems that everybody is missing that the prices (500$ for 4GB, 600$ for 8GB one) are not true retail prices. You have to sign for 2 year subscription with cell phone operator and it's not available for next half of a year. iPhone looks really good but as always with Apple products it's a bit overpriced (I can't wait to see what Europe-tax will be this time...). Sony is already making similar phones (4GB walkman phone) and ones with big touchscreen (m600i), it's a matter of time until other companies will come up with something similar and cheaper. Apple has also a disadvantage of not using a common smartphone OS.

Holy crap (1)

Silent sound (960334) | about 8 years ago | (#17526186)

So it isn't even a phone, exactly. It's a PDA.

Newton, you have come back to us!

Can you record audio to the iPhone thingy's hard drive?
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