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Is It Wrong to Love Microsoft?

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the love-comes-in-many-forms dept.

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vd writes "Given most comments on Slashdot, it would appear that anyone with even a slight knowledge of computers hates Microsoft. An article on CoolTechZone, though, argues that not everyone should dismiss Microsoft outright. According to Varun Dubey, Linux is over-rated, Macs aren't worthy and Windows deserves respect and some love. From the article: 'What has Microsoft given us? It has given us Windows, sure, it was buggy earlier and a lot of things didn't work like they were supposed to (plug and play springs to mind) but it was a pioneering effort. No one was even close to the ease of use that Windows offered. Sure, Mac OS was a lot prettier but then it cost the moon and the stars along with both your arms and legs.'"

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I must be in a dream... (5, Funny)

orion41us (707362) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248780)



2 almost pro-MS posts on /. in one day?

someone please hit me...

There is a price for what you want (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248838)

"...Mac OS was a lot prettier but then it cost the moon and the stars along with both your arms and legs."
Good things cost more, it's a fact

If you want a good car, you'll pay more than if you just want a cheap car...

Re:I must be in a dream... (1)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248873)

I'm not so sure that most people would consider "Windows Vista Tool Targeted By Virus Writers" to be pro-MS.

He's right (first post) (-1, Flamebait)

Kawahee (901497) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248781)

He's right, I hate Linux. I use XPSP2, IE7 and VS.NET 2003, and nothing the OSS community can produce comes close.

Love Microsoft (0, Troll)

jimwelch (309748) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248782)

Troll!

umm.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248784)

doy.

Most people just hate Microsoft... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248786)

...because they're jealous that they didn't start it.

"Is It Wrong to Love Microsoft?" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248788)

Yes, it is.

Freak (4, Interesting)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248789)

"most of the people developing Linux probably sit at night writing up malicious code for windows!"

This guy really must not like open source developers.

Re:Freak (5, Funny)

Virak (897071) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248820)

And he must really hate that pesky 'logic' thing.

Re:Freak (1, Insightful)

OwnedByTwoCats (124103) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248837)

He's full of fertilizer. So much fertilizer in so few lines of prose. "Noone was even close to the ease of use that Windows offered." the text asserts.

I dislike Microsoft. They're convicted monopolists. They produce the lowest quality of software and use their illegally obtained market dominance to shut out any alternatives.

Re:Freak (2, Funny)

Sorce (756519) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248841)

You know that everyone who uses Linux is a hacker...

Re:Freak (3, Insightful)

Mind Booster Noori (772408) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248879)

Exactly...

Most of the people developing Linux couldn't care less about windows, so why bother writing up malicious code for it when they can spen that time (if coding) coding to improove the tools they use and learnt to love?

This article is written by someone who doesn't know nothing about OSS, and that quote shows it well.

Re:Freak (4, Insightful)

schtum (166052) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248892)

This isn't an "article," it's a blog entry. And a really bad one at that. I say this as someone who uses Windows almost exclusively.

Uh oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248792)

Although I agree with the article, I fear that many Slashdot geeks' heads have just exploded. /Sits back, grabs the popcorn //Fark > Slashdot

The Web (1)

alucinor (849600) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248793)

I love Microsoft for how much they've helped the development of the web. I'm in IE7 Heaven, baby!

I'm confused... (5, Interesting)

kwatz (727726) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248794)

Why is this in apple.slashdot.org?

Re:I'm confused... (5, Insightful)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248828)

It's in the Apple section because Zonk is trying to get a knee jerk response from "Apple Zealots", either for commercial purposes, scientific research, or to settle a bar bet.

Re:I'm confused... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248844)

Why is this in apple.slashdot.org?

Because it's Zonk and he doesn't know what he's doing. Simple really.

Duh, The story was posted from a MS box... (1)

Tikicult (901090) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248860)

Sometimes things get monkeyed up, you know, buggy software.
- what is suprising is that the mistake placed it in the Apple side of /. Usually a Microsoft bug works in Bill's favor.

So now (2, Funny)

CKnight (92200) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248795)

FTA:

and a lot of things didn't work like they were supposed to

I'm to assume that the bugs currently in windows are there by design?

It's payday (1)

Rusty Nuts (805221) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248796)

Wow - paychecks from M$ must have gone out yesterday.

That tired old argument (1)

grub (11606) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248797)


Sure, Mac OS was a lot prettier but then it cost the moon and the stars along with both your arms and legs.

So I've spent away 4 moons, 8 arms and 8 legs. The lame "Mac is so expensive" argument holds little water. Yes, they were more money but it wasn't the huge gap between say a cheap Ford and a Mercedes. If they were really that bad the company would have folded years ago.

Sure... (1)

bugbeak (711163) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248798)

"...Sure, Mac OS was a lot prettier but then it cost the moon and the stars along with both your arms and legs." Sure, Windows was a lot cheaper, but then it cost the hair and the heads along with both your paycheck and temper.

In other news ... (4, Funny)

rlp (11898) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248799)

Kool-Aid sales up substantially.

What else has Microsoft meant to us... (5, Interesting)

It doesn't come easy (695416) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248800)

Illegally destroyed competition in the OS space.
Suppressed or destroyed competition in the app space.
Dictated an artificial (e.g. unnecessarily expensive) software replacement cycle.
Empowered unscrupulous businesses to spy on your every web surfing move.

I hear people say that things aren't so bad with the current state of desktop computing. After all, Windows rarely crashes anymore and you can surf the web, play games, read email, etc. What else is there? To be quite frank, a lot. It is difficult to quantify all of the software development that hasn't been done because of Microsoft's oppressive control over the desktop. I estimate we are at least three generations of software development behind because most businesses would not risk competing with Microsoft. Just 5 years ago I can remember reading stories about companies that decided NOT to compete in a particular area because they feared Microsoft would crush them. Forget the companies put out of business or the people who had to find a new job. The loss of advancement in software technique is incalculable.

Drumming up advertising revenue (2, Informative)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248801)

Are we, Zonk?

Taco have you guys on some kind of a quota system? Or do you get bonuses for generating a certain amount of page hits?

Sadly (1, Insightful)

Marinor (904472) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248802)

Sadly they are right, even though i dispise Microsoft all together there is no way to get around them. Because almost anyone that uses a computer learned how on Microsoft. They are the main platform in most business's these days. As a Networker if i don't know windows there really is no way of me making any money at all. I love linux and Mac's are only good for video editing, music editing, graphic's and i think thats pretty much it. But try teaching someone to use linux or mac when they have been in elementary, middle, and high school and only used Microsoft products. Its not easy. So yeah Microsoft is great for business's but if you do know more than the average person stick with what you know and you like.

Obligatory Amiga reference (2, Insightful)

deaddrunk (443038) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248803)

It had all the features it took Microsoft ages to nearly get working many years before and at a far lower price. Shame Commodore were morons.

Re:Obligatory Amiga reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248908)

Well it WAS proprietary also. Much easier to develop an OS that "just works" when you control all the hardware as well. See also: Mac

Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending MS. I recently switched from W2k to Ubuntu Linux and am happy with it. Still learning the system, but it's nice. And knowing that it's FREE is a big plus...

Huh? (3, Insightful)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248805)

No one was even close to the ease of use that Windows offered.

In what universe is that true?

Re:Huh? (1)

sriram_2001 (670877) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248829)

Taking a look at your sig - so does iTunes give you DRM free music then?

Re:Huh? (1)

halosfan (691623) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248897)

In the universe where people often don't distinguish between the ease of learning and the ease of use, i.e. ours.

Hey! I know the answer to this one! (4, Funny)

fireboy1919 (257783) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248806)

Yes, it is.

Next on the agenda: is genocide really that bad of an idea?

Sure. (1)

knipknap (769880) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248807)

Is it wrong to love a house trained drug dealer?

here s'money (0, Flamebait)

unknown51a (741797) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248811)

I wonder how much he got paid for that.

To Bill Gates:

I LOVE MICROSOFT TOO!

can I have some money too?

Idiot Proof is Killing Us (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248812)

I love how idiot proof Windows is. It prooves how people are idiots.

Viewing habits (5, Funny)

Keebler71 (520908) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248814)

Given most comments on Slashdot, it would appear that anyone with even a slight knowledge of computers hates Microsoft

You obviously don't read at threshold: -1.

Will Slashdot comments be news next? (5, Insightful)

timster (32400) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248815)

What a worthless article. If it were a Slashdot comment, it'd be moderated to -1, Overrated.

Yes (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248816)

As long as they support and continue to develop/promote Trusted Computing, yes.

This is far more nefarious than any web browser war, because with TC, Microsoft can move from strongly suggesting what software to use to mandating (or, more properly, forbidding) it.

Poor guy. (3, Funny)

fuchsiawonder (574579) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248817)

I think it's safe to say that Mr. Dubey is afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome.

Terrible article (4, Insightful)

DreadPiratePizz (803402) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248818)

First of all, the writing is less than stellar. Second, all of it is opinion based without any sort of facts to back it up, or in depth explanation of his point.

And then there's this: Lets be fair and honest about this. Here is a company that single handedly created the market for Personal Computers, brought computing to ordinary folks like you and me, made it affordable by encouraging mass acceptance and constantly strives to provide us ease of use in every sphere it touche

Gee, I remember something called the Apple II doing this long before microsoft was the force it was. What a maroon.

Is it wrong to love Microsoft? (2, Funny)

ab384 (810021) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248819)

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: yes.

Evidence: slashdot.org

Next!

What is this guy smoking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248822)

I sure don't want any!

Mac OS costs more? (2, Informative)

Starker_Kull (896770) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248824)

What price sheet have you been reading? Or do you know the difference between hardware and software?

Re:Mac OS costs more? (1)

55555 Manbabies! (861806) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248888)

You can buy a Dell machine with Windows for $299 OS X is $100, but you won't find a computer that will run it (well) for the other $299.

Why Mac? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248827)

This is posted in the Mac section just to start the "entuiastic" Mac people generating pageviews and income for Slashdot or what?

And in regards to Given most comments on Slashdot, it would appear that anyone with even a slight knowledge of computers hates Microsoft.

the important part here is the first part of the sentence. If you believe Slashdot represents the tech community/pros in general with this (here often FUD based) hate, you need to broaden your horizon.

wrong (4, Informative)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248830)

Windows is NOT easy to use *correctly*.

This "ease of use" includes people running as Admin with all the services running and basically wide open to the universe. That's "ease of use".

I won't pretend that Linux or BSD is any easier but I really don't think this "ease of use" label is meaningful.

"Chainsaws are easy to use!" -- Said the current reigning king of the one armed people.

Tom

Heh (4, Funny)

mogrify (828588) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248831)

I think it's the most over rated piece of software ever built and survives simply out of spite and not because it is terribly good at doing something because it is not!

This is the greatest sentence ever written in the history of man. Thank you for your penetrating insight.

Hey Varen Dubey! (1)

JeiFuRi (888436) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248832)

If you like Microsoft so much why don't you just marry it?

Real World (1)

aCapitalist (552761) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248833)

In the real world people do like Microsoft products and people that think software is a religion (FSF) are laughed at and ignored.

Yes, wrong to love Microsoft (4, Interesting)

ReformedExCon (897248) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248834)

Yes, absolutely it is wrong to love Microsoft. For that matter, it is wrong to love any company that you are not directly a part of, and even then loving a company is fraught with pitfalls. Love is something that must be reciprocated in order to have any meaning. It is a shame that English has evolved to the point where we "love" or "hate" things that we enjoy or dislike.

Microsoft has done a lot of things, some good, some bad, some neither. Businesses are just that way. Is Microsoft worthy of respect? Sure. They have done something that other computer companies only dream of: they own several of the markets that they are part of. But does that mean we should hate them? Does it mean we should love them? Of course not.

People who feel strong emotions towards companies that they have very little part in (having neither worked there nor been part of the founding and building of it) are misdirecting their emotions. Save your love for your neighbor, don't waste it on Microsoft.

Re:Yes, wrong to love Microsoft (1)

demondawn (840015) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248899)

For the record, English is not the only language like this, Japanese is the same.

Re:Yes, wrong to love Microsoft (1)

lomov (843821) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248915)

Mod parent up! This is '/. wisdom' oxymoron coming to love for once...

Plug and play not pioneering on Windows (5, Insightful)

Akito (222802) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248836)

From the story:
...(plug and play springs to mind) but it was a pioneering effort. No one was even close to the ease of use that Windows offered. Sure, Mac OS was a lot prettier but then it cost the moon and the stars along with both your arms and legs.

Plug and play was by no means a pioneering effort by Microsoft, the Macintosh has had it forever, so long in-fact that it had no name on Mac OS, not until it was a new feature in Windows did Microsoft give it a name. We Mac users just knew it as "stuff working when I plug it in just like it should"
Also I would argue (and I know there are many on both sides) that the Mac OS was prettier, cost more, and was easier to use as well.

-1 Troll (1)

Paul Slocum (598127) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248843)

While there could be a good article written that intelligently discusses some of the things Windows does right and shortcomings of Linux, this ain't it.

not if you're a mac user (1)

rob colonna (72681) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248845)

ironically enough, it's considerably less wrong to love microsoft if you use a mac. sure, bill gates likes to make snide remarks about the mac os, and they do silly things like plugging their ears and pretending the ipod doesn't exist, but the fact of the matter is, mac users don't have to put up with the worst thing that microsoft does, and that's of course, windows.

and many of microsoft's products are quite good, and worthy of praise. i'm a content owner of a microsoft mouse, and have been pleased with it. the mac version of office, too, is a fine product (yes, i know word and its idiosyncracies are inherently awful, but it's a good mac version of word).

now i don't love microsoft. and i surely don't love this article, which sounds like it was written by a twelve-year-old who was inspired to expound upon his joy after discovering the menu animations in windows xp. but that said, perhaps people who aren't tied to windows are in the best position, to judge microsoft's products solely upon their merit for the task at hand. sometimes microsoft wins a fair fight. but at least when you're not on windows, when they're not the best option, there's no impediment to making another choice.

Regardless of your opinion... (3, Insightful)

colin_young (902826) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248846)

...that was some god-awful writing. I think cool tech zone needs some editors.

Slashdot + Flamewar = Profit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248847)

Yet another pathetic attempt by Slashdot to start a flamewar to generate ad revenue.

Some loser blogging his opinion of a few mainstream OS'es is not news!

Fatuous nonsense. (2, Insightful)

Concern (819622) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248848)

What they "pioneered" was using feedback and network effects to force a marketplace to accept an inferior product at monopolist prices, costing the world trillions in lost productivity and lost opportunities.

Microsoft Summer of Love (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248849)


YHBT

Is it possible to mod an article as Flamebait? (1)

Scorpion_1169 (609426) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248853)

Just curious. Give the author credit for having the balls to post it.

They haven't Given us anything. (1)

davonshire (94424) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248854)

From the article: 'What has Microsoft given us? It has given us Windows,...'

Technically speaking, they haven't given us anything, but lies, more lies and damn lies. And of course the free Internet Explorer with glow in the dark power stripe.

Ok finished being silly.

Seems like a Microsoft employee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248855)

They know Vista is not all that its supposed to be. Now they must rally their support.

Why was this even published? (4, Insightful)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248857)

Dubey doesn't get why MS is hated, that much is obvious from the "article". Rather than providing arguments, he publishes a load of fanboy drivel that's as inane as any Linux or Mac zealotry I've seen.
IOW: Nothing to see here, move along.

Okay, if you insist:
FTA: It is about time we stopped being hypocritical and appreciated a job really well done.
But it isn't. Popular or not, most of their products are mediocre hack-jobs that thrive despite their quality, not because of it.

Mod article +1 Flambait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248858)

Wow, worse quality statistics than Netcraft could provide, xenophobia, rewriting history... This article is subtly clever piece of satire.

Oh, wait, this guy is being serious?

MS is evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248859)

We all know that M$ is evil and Apple will save us all. After all there should be only one company that sells both hardware and software, and you are an idiot if you ever think otherwise.

Re:MS is evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248920)

Also I will send you hate mails, mod your posts down, and go over to place and stranggle you if you say Macs are expensive.

Wow (2, Insightful)

protoshoggoth (588994) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248861)

Good lord, it's a troll article.

cost vs. cost (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248863)

Macs were/are more expensive, but because Apple maintained tight control over the hardware, things Just Worked.
PCs were/are cheaper, but because there are so many flavors of hardware (hint: do a Newegg search for an nVidia FX5500 card, or similar), MS can't possibly write decent drivers for all, and so must rely on 3rd parties, and things didn't Just Work.
PCs were/are easier to add (cheap) hardware to (ISA NE2000 NIC anyone?) but you needed to know jumpers and IRQs.

Which is cheaper in the long run?

Well written (4, Funny)

crimsonclear (905392) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248864)

Finally, an article that actually gives Microsoft an objective look not skewered by the linux and mac trolls on the net

Windows != Pioneering (5, Insightful)

kulakovich (580584) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248866)


To say that Windows was a "Pioneering" effort is like saying Columbus "Discovered" America, when there were already people living here.

Give me a break. Why do people insist on re-writing history?

kulakovich

ASSumption (1)

i7dude (473077) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248867)

It doesn't, therefore you don't have as many security threats for other software as most of the people developing Linux probably sit at night writing up malicious code for windows!

I am neither "pro" nor "anti-mircrosoft"; I'm "pro-whatever-tool-gets-the-job-done." But, crap like this really is horrible; I would honestly like to believe that most Linux developers are sitting up at night developing Linux...I mean, hell, few are actually lucky enought to make money doing that during the day...most people have to work to support their hobbies.

dude.

isn't hate just a result of wounded love? (2, Interesting)

ekran (79740) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248868)

It is very easy, when you live in your own OS world, to reach out your hand and point at all the other OSes and say, 'they are bad!", and I'm not saying that people hasn't tried that other OS they are pointing at. I'm saying that they've dug themselves into a religious trench holding their position in fear of discovering something new or to have let go of their hate for the other, different things.

Yes, I've made the very same mistake. I held onto my precious Amiga until early 1995, only to find out that I've lost years of Intel PC experience by looking the other way. I also was a poor student back then too, so I wasn't likely to buy myself a new computer. But I think the OS love/hate wars are very much the same as the old Amiga/PC discussions.

My personal experience has lead me to atleast try and stay away from the religious discussion, they never lead to anything constructive. I have both Windows and Linux PCs at home, and I use them all with erhm.. almost equal passion and love.

When the OS you are using meet your needs in terms of quality and functionality, and you're satisfied with that. Then why go to the step of switching platform? If Mr. X at accounting has a PC that does the job for him, then why should he go to the bothering step of switching?

Getting a bit side tracked here, well, Microsoft and Windows. I think the problem is, a lot of people are confusing the OS with the company. The way Microsoft has been conducting business is appaling. Whether people wanna respect and give some love to their OS, or not, well.. I don't care.

I don't love companies... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248869)

...that take 15 years to produce a piece of software that only slightly manages to make good on already 15 year old promises. As in: Windows XP is actually the Windows that Microsoft (or rather: their marketing department) promised us (and what we paid for) with Windows 3.11. It's just 15 years late...

Microsoft's core business is *NOT* making technologically good software. It's all about making lot's of $$$$ as quick as possible.

I, for one, do not love $$$$. I love technology. So I do NOT love Microsoft. I love OSS.

What's the point? (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248870)

If you are going to pontificate on OSes, sit down and figure out the difference between "MAC" and "Mac".

Two pages of the same old piffle and bullcrap cobbled together with second hand string. Honestly, how old is the author? It reads like a dashed off report for a middle school class.

Slow news day?

Oversimplified. (1)

MetaPhyzx (212830) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248871)

This "article" is oversimplification followed by oversimplification. No one arbitrarily hates M$ simply because they're the big gorilla; rather the things they have done NOT in the name of ease of use, but in the name of extending the M$ hemegony.

On A personal note, I don't buy Mac because the company is Apple (although I do have a greater appreciation for the company) or the CEO is Steve Jobs (which MIGHT actually be a reason to NOT buy Apple). I do it because it makes my computing life easier and makes me more productive.

MAC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248874)

The remaining being divided between Linux, MAC etc.

Putting aside grammatical mistakes of the "article", why do people capitalize MAC as an abreviation for Macintosh? Is there some acronym I'm not familiar with, or does the Mac have some sort of fancy software handling of my NIC's MAC address? Perhaps they are trying to emphisize their distaste for it by shouting?

In a nutshell, it's not so much as that the software is secure; it's simply that no one is interested in spending sleepless nights writing a virus that won't give them the satisfaction they get from causing havoc.

I've always thought security was overrated too. That's why I post my SSN on my public web site. Sort of a challenge for anyone who think they can use it for something malicious.

This "article" is just laughable, even from the perspective of a .NET developer like myself.

He's missing a point about Linux... (5, Insightful)

theotherlight (904426) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248875)

Is this just me? I really think he's missing what Linux is all about. It's not supposed to be the most user-friendly environment. There are people that WANT to have to "recompile the kernel if [they] want to so much as change your modem" because they're looking for that kind of option and flexibility.

I'm not even a hardcore Linux user (I've had Fedora Core for only a few months now) and even I can see this. Am I entirely wrong?

Note this. (1)

kortex (590172) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248876)

Note to self, 8-5-2005:

CoolTechzone neither "Cool" nor "Tech".

I must say that emotional ranbling about Windows without any nods to the subversive business practices and thievery that is the REASON people love to hate MicroScrote is really annoying. I'm sorry, my job does not depend on how I "feel" about autodetection notification bubbles. It depends on UPTIME, AVAILABILITY, SECURITY. I don't usually lower myself to insults - but whoever wrote this article should be writing for People magazine or US! - not tech articles.

Agreed (2, Interesting)

cached (801963) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248877)

I definately agree. I know I am probably going to be modded troll for saying this, but Windows is a VERY reasonable OS. Crashes all the time you say? My computer hasnt crashed for over 3 years. Don't get me wrong, I use linux as well, but this site seems to be far too rabidly anti-MS.

Really does sound like they lost some of their 'charisma' (what was still left amongst the non /. crowd) by taking so long for making Vista, which from what I heard did not live up to its hype.

Grandma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248878)

anyone with even a slight knowledge of computers hates Microsoft

Anyone with the self-respect not to shell out money to be treated like a criminal and an idiot hates Microsoft.

Shill, but one good point (1)

mechsoph (716782) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248881)

In Linux, you have to recompile a kernel if you want to so much as change your modem!

Not since sometime in the 90's. In my opinion, GNOME/KDE are both easier to use than XP. Tastes, may vary, however.

Here is a company that single handedly created the market for Personal Computers...

And this is why we can respect Microsoft in the same way we respect Hitler for single handedly brining Germany out of a massive depression.

Lots all desire to RTFA after.... (1)

GweeDo (127172) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248882)

"No one was even close to the ease of use that Windows offered. Sure, Mac OS was a lot prettier but then it cost the moon and the stars along with both your arms and legs"

Since when is price an issue in usability? So since Windows is cheaper it is magically allowed to be harder to use but still be declared easier?

Logic like this makes it easier to hate Microsoft...when even their apologists don't make sense it is EASY! ;)

I do not hate MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13248884)

I actually like them as a company and I enjoy using their products. Now, before you flame me, hear me out.
I'm a professional IT security engineer with 8 years experience in IT. I use MS products at home and at work, as well as Mac OS X, Linux, Solaris, and OpenBSD. I feel that MS gets a bad rap for security, monopolising the market, being evil, etc. Guess what? They are in the market to make a profit, even if that means stepping on toes to do it. Companies exist to make a profit. Full stop. If it were not for MS, the average computer price would be outrageous. MS helped drive down the cost of computers to where the average person can afford them.
Security. Yes MS has had issues with securty, and porbably will continue to have issues, but guess what? Security is a process, not a product. People need to exercise common sesne when using computers that are networked, including moms and teens. It's not terribly unobvious that if you download stolen music and other files that you may end up with malware on your system. Duh! My mom knows that.
Without MS, the US would not be in as strong a position technology-wise. Like it or not, technology has little to do with anything but making money. Innovation is nice, but at the end of the day, it's Bill G and Steve B who are raking in the cash, not Steve J.
Linux is not the answer to replace MS. It works for some, but only those who are savvy enough to grok it. The average user wants a machine that just works, and they don't want an Apple.
There is a place for MS in this world just the same as there is a place for Linux and Apple, and every other technical company out there.

Rubish (1)

tbannist (230135) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248887)

Wow, that was a totally useless article written by a shameless MS fanboy.

It's utter garbage, Windows is secure because if it weren't, it would have even more viruses! and Linux doesn't do anything well. Basically all this guy does is kiss Microsoft's ass and insult everyone who has ever clashed with them.

Gee, what a thoughtprovoking and informative article.

It reads like it was written by a 10 year old (1)

rogerzilla (575012) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248889)

Was this another one of those entries for a reader-written article? If this guy thinks the XP install procedure is great, he hasn't used it much.

I use Windows because the software I use needs it in order to run. I don't necessarily *like* this situation.

Is it wrong to love Microsoft? (1)

deepstephen (149398) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248890)

Yes.

HTH.

It's not '92 anymore (1)

DarkYoshi (895118) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248894)

Macs aren't worthy

Do mine ears decieve me? I think macs are quite worthy, if not better than a WinTel PC. Sure, they cost a lot, but not nearly as much as they used to, and with the limited experience I've had trying out Tiger, Macs are very worthy.

aaah memories... (2, Funny)

Phil246 (803464) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248895)

It has given us Windows, sure, it was buggy earlier and a lot of things didn't work like they were supposed to (plug and play springs to mind)

Did anyone else just remember back to that lovely lovely video of good 'ol Bill , and that scanner :)
'Plug and play' *grin*

Love the Microsoft.. (1)

Tominva1045 (587712) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248901)



anyone with even a slight knowledge of computers hates Microsoft.

If software tools and hardware didn't evolve people like me wouldn't have fun software development jobs and our clients would have had to make do with 64K RAM, SSDD floppies, monochrome monitors, and notepad-style documents.

I've got dozens of friends who have made a career of rewriting old code and creating new code as new hardware/software abilities present themselves.

So why do we use Visual Studio .Net? Becuase our clients platforms run it and we can more easily build reusable code that runs on them.

When you have a client that prefers a certain Windows software tool for whatever-purpose and they are dangling a 12 month development contract in front of you, you would be crazy not to sign up to make them happy. Yeah, the money is okay too ;-)

With respect to Microsoft haters, Yoda had it correct. Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to anger. Anger leads to destruction. C'mon, snuggle up to .Net!

Is It Wrong to Love Microsoft (1)

pbailey (225135) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248902)

Of course it is!

Before you all flame him ... (2, Insightful)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248903)

I'm assuming this should be in the "It's funny, laugh" section since the user hasn't a clue about why Windows makes it easy to run viruses (everything can be executable) and what the DOJ investigation was about (monopolistic practices).

Having said all that, there is nothing wrong (as such) with loving Microsoft. If you like a product, find it easy to use and it allows you to do what you want to do, spend less time doing boring stuff and generally make the time you spend with it enjoyable then good for you. Some people can't stand it, some people love it.

Personally, I don't have a problem with Windows. I know it inside out (well, reasonably), can troubleshoot the few problems I have and so I'm reluctant to change to something else. Yes, the shell is a bit crappy, but XP+Cygwin in my mind is better and easier than Linux especially when under the latter my modem, sound card and network all fail to work.

Finally as for the "loving" comments, I find it odd that anyone could love an operating system. For me, the majority of the added value are the applications than I run on top of it. Sure the OS may have some neat tricks and features but I spend more time tinkering and using the apps than the OS directly.

But then I'm probably not your average Slashdot reader.

Please tell me the article is astroturfing (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248907)

Either the article is astroturf or the author:

  • Never had to deal with Windows '9x/ME on a network.
  • Never had to handle installing hardware on NT 4.
  • Never had to support people whose XP installation has so much spyware on it's a minor miracle it even boots up.
  • Never had the error message "Consult your system administrator" and thought "I am my system administrator!"

This is writing? (1)

Starker_Kull (896770) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248909)

"More than 95 pecent computers in the world use one form of Windows OS or another. The remaining being divided between Linux, MAC etc. now lets say MAC has 1 percent, does it make sense for a hacker to create a virus that can at best infect just 1 percent of the computers in the world?" Is it just me, or is it annoying when an article writer displays ignorance of such basic details as capitalization, punctuation, etc. It's one thing posting comments on Slashdot, it's another thing when you are ostensibly writing a professional article....

This is worthy of a submission? (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248912)

The linked article was barely longer than the submission, and probably shorter than a large number of Score: 5 posts that will appear in response to it.

The gist, it seems, is that because Microsoft has given the world some good, usable software, we owe it a debt of gratitude. Sorry, but my gratitude is limited to the fees I voluntarily paid Microsoft. I don't need to love them, or to agree with any of their tactics.

The Microsoft as of late is a patent-hungry company looking to maximize its existing revenue streams (we knew that day would come), and has seriously considered unbelievable options like purchasing Claria. It is really hard to feel love in my heart for something like that. It is also difficult to sit in awestruck amazement at the great achievements of Microsoft when they are pulling in $40 billion or so a year to support their endeavor. Look at what small shops like BeOS, with a smaller budget than Microsoft spends on lunches, achieved in such a short period of time.

I do think Microsoft makes some great software, and it remains my platform of choice, but I owe them no debt, nor do I need to bias my opinions of some of their actions because I like VS.NET.

Why does it always have to be either-or? (1)

imac.usr (58845) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248914)

Right. Reading the article, it's pretty clear that it's either a really clever troll, or written by someone for whom English is a passing fancy.

At any rate, I've been a Mac user since 1989, but in that time I've also used Windows and on occasion, Linux or other Unix-based systems. (I grew up the son of a DEC engineer, so I'm one of those rare Mac users that actually wanted a command-line in the old Mac OS. Userland Frontier forever!) Over time, I've come to realize that every OS has its strengths and weaknesses. I'm still most comfortable using a Mac, but that doesn't mean I don't get a kick out of some things in Windows, or even Linux --- although Linux still lags behind the others in terms of being usable right out of the box, IMO. The point is, I'm comfortable with leveraging the strengths of each platform to overcome the weaknesses of another, and as a result, I feel like I can provide better "service" to my employer, my friends looking for answers to questions, or just to my own sense of discovery.

Is there no more room for the multi-platform technologist, or does everything have to be segmented off into yet another "if you are not with us, you are against us" box? Isn't there enough of that already in the real world without fucking up technology as well?

Apple never had to deal with... (1)

SkepticBlue (901990) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248919)

One thing that MS has in favor is that Apple never had to deal with multiple hardware configurations. Having to support every video or network card and having to be backwward compatible doesn't help too much. Of course Linux too has to support the universe of hardware configurations Windows has too, but this is only possible because anyone can compile the drivers to fix them on demand, something only super users are willing to do.

*NEWSFLASH* (1)

kaellinn18 (707759) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248923)

All of the operating systems suck. In one way or another, they all have their problems. I'm so bored of idiotic, pointless bickering over which operating system is "teh 1337" and which one "sux0rz." Arguing about different variants of the SAME OS is even more stupid. It's all a matter of personal preference. They all have flaws, and if you like your OS enough, you can live with them and even fix some of them. Please, for the love of God, can we get back to the stuff that matters!! Of course, I haven't seen anything that fits that category on Slashdot in months...

The article is a rant, however... (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248925)

The article is a f*ckign rant, however there is some validity to the statement. Without Windows we wouldn't have the popularization of computers we have today. "A computer in every household" and then some (I have four ... between my wife and I). Microsoft helped that happen and they do deserve some respect for that.

As for now? Yea, they still hold a >90% market share. You can say what you want, but when it comes down to it the reason is that for many businesses there is no accessible substitute. And this trickes down into the home. Microsoft still deserves some love. Profiteering gluttons, WTFever, I can get a Dell for $299 with Windows installed. (not that I would... just a case in point. I prefer to roll my own)

Linux has its place. But Microsoft has carried the brunt of the load in bringing the desktop to the common man.

-everphilski-
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