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Better Business Bureau Targets Apple's G5 Ads

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the half-truths-in-advertising dept.

Technology (Apple) 595

deathazre writes "The Council of Better Business Bureaus has suggested Apple Computer withdraw its claims of the world's fastest, and first 64-bit, PC after a complaint by Dell. However, even having one of their ads banned in the U.K. didn't stop them here in the States."

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Am I remembering the ad wrong? (5, Funny)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689202)

Now, to be fair, Apple's ads said that the G5 was the fastest and first 64-bit PC that wasn't made by a company that isn't Apple.

Or maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

Where'd I put my darn bong?

Oh, here it is, hidden behind my G5.

Hey, when did I get a G5?

Who am I, again?

Old news (4, Informative)

djupedal (584558) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689204)

Apple has already stated the ad has run its course and it will be 'mindful' of the request in the future. Meaning we've already made out on that one, better luck next time :)

Re:Old news (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689310)

Made out?

Hmm. [marketwatch.com]

While Apple's iPod sales remain strong -- the company sold 730,000 iPods in its last quarter and had pre-release orders for 100,000 iPod mini music players -- Bachman said the company's G5 sales could turn out to be disappointing for the second quarter in a row.

For its fiscal first quarter, which ended Dec. 27, Apple shipped 206,000 G5 computers, short of many analysts' estimates. Bachman has estimated that Apple would ship 195,000 G5s in its current quarter.


Sounds like it didn't work to me. They hardly 'made out' on that one.

no pain...no gain (5, Insightful)

djupedal (584558) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689367)

Whatever gain/loss there was from the ad is water under the bridge. It's too late now, since it can't be taken back. Surely we don't have to remind...

"Any publicity is good and good publicity is even better"

This news is just more publicity...and they didn't have to pay a dime to get it in front of you today. I'd call that making out :)

Re:no pain...no gain (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689402)

But making out implies some positive outcome, not some potential future positive outcome. G5 sales are down, and look to disappoint again this quarter.

Can you show any positive effect, rather than 'any publicity is good publicity?' As well, this is bad publicity, showing they lied about their advertising.

Damn (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689206)

What is my 64-bit athlon then?

Re:Damn (1)

jonjohnson (568941) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689236)

Obviously slower! Or at least that's what Apple says...

Does /. get its stories from HardOCP articles? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689208)

Dell?? (5, Insightful)

chunkwhite86 (593696) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689210)

Now whay would Dell of all people make this claim? Dell doesn't even offer a 64 bit PC??

Re:Dell?? (4, Insightful)

Epistax (544591) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689258)

They offer faster computers though. I don't recall the ad in question when 64 bit was mentioned. The only obvious lie I've hear in an apple ad is the world's "fastest, most powerful" computer.

Re:Dell?? (2, Insightful)

Jexx Dragon (733193) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689292)

Big Mac is third, so thats not that wrong.

Re:Dell?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689347)

Who disputed that, Captain OffTopic? Is that a 'personal computer' they were advertising in the ad?

They could probably claim it was the fastest tear down/shortest service life of a top 10 supercomputer. They installed everything, wired it up, ran a few benchmarks, and disassembled it to replace it with XServes. What a silly PR stunt.

Re:Dell?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689360)

yes it is a PC. Or rather, a lot of PCs clustered to create an uberPC.

Re:Dell?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689404)

"PC" means either (1) Personal Computer, or (2) IBM PC AT-Compatible

The Apple XServe is neither.

Re:Dell?? (5, Insightful)

ScottGant (642590) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689315)

I must have missed that story where the 3rd fastest super computer in the world is made up of Dell computers.

Oh right, silly me!

But seriously, if Dells are faster, and cheaper...why didn't Va Tech use those instead? They didn't get a deal from Apple you know...they bought them all right through the online Apple store.

I'm not trying to confront you or anything, I honestly don't know. I hear claims of faster and fastest all the time from people, but when it comes down to people using them in applications, it kinda goes out the window.

So why didn't VA tech use Dells or simular?

Re:Dell?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689341)

I don't think anyone actully uses dells in a mission critical task, in fact I don't think dell even offers anything better then a high-end PC, which G5s defenatly are not. They are macs for one thing, and 64-bit, added together that equals some kind of strange, hybrid workstation or low-end server.

Re:Dell?? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689353)

You're arguing a completely different point than what the BBB (and others) are annoyed about. Apple claimed they were the first 64 bit desktop computer. They were not. Period, there is no ambiguity.

Whether or not G5s are faster than whatever Dell is selling these days, or whatever is the best computer for building clusters has nothing to do with this particular issue.

Hiya stupid! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689370)

They (VA Tech) choose G5s as both a political statement (political within the current computing market) and because they were wrong about perfomance differences. Every other scientific or government body in the world does not use G5s for their super computing needs for a reason: it is expensive and less powerful than alternatives. Jesus Christ you're a moron.

Re:Dell?? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689385)

Those computers' ability to work together has NOTHING TO DO with being "the world's fastest, most powerful personal computer." Apple made no claims about cheap clustering supercomputer solutions for universities. Their computers get regularly spanked at any reasonable benchmark that isn't cherrypicked by Apple's marketing department.

The point is not whether Dell clusters are cheaper or faster, or even if Dell makes faster computers than Apple. The point is that APPLE LIED.

But if we look at your mentality, I suppose for personal use, PCs are about 30x better due to market share. WHy don't those people chose Macs? Case closed.

Re:Dell?? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689388)

Boy, Apple fans have really hung their self-worth on this VA Tech cluster. Used to be Photoshop benchmarks, now it's LinPack or whatever.

Lots of people use Itaniums for clustering as well -- doesn't mean that Itaniums make for a good Personal Computer.

Re:Dell?? (2, Interesting)

dubiousmike (558126) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689436)

While G5's are 64 bit, OSx isn't a 64 bit OS.

But they will be in 9 months or a year.

At that point G5s will scream, but until then they wont.

I think VA Tech is banking on a big performance increase then.

Re:Dell?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689358)

What 4GHz speed machines over a puny 1.25GHz G5, I mean 4GHz must be better, right.

Give me a break.

Re:Dell?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689375)

No they don't, which is why they are bitching. They are loosing institutional sales hand over fist for clusters because they don't offer a 64 bit solution yet because intel hasn't released theirs. They don't sell AMD or PPC. I have seen it first hand, the slimy Dell rep can't get the deal because no matter how low they cut the price, a 32bit Xeon just isn't a 64 bit chip. Not to mention, even if the Xeon is a bit faster in some cases than a PPC 970 it doesn't really matter. It consumes almost twice the power as a 970 so any customer worried about speed can just add more 970 nodes to their cluster and their electricity bill is still lower than with a Xeon cluster.

selective truth in advertising (5, Funny)

ruprechtjones (545762) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689215)

Yeah, because Intel's new chips really speed up your internet downloads...

Re:selective truth in advertising (4, Funny)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689255)

with NETburst technology!

At the very least Intel gave the blue men group a job for a while.

Re:selective truth in advertising (2, Interesting)

buckhead_buddy (186384) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689371)

I know that innumerable Rich Tennant comics and other geek 'leet humor poke fun at those people who think having a faster processor speeds up the download process, but (I know this is heretical) but it does, doesn't it?

It doesn't increase the transmission speed since the limits there are often not processor related (maybe with soft-modems), but it does help with faster decryption / decoding / and decompression significantly. So if you include the time of this post-processing in the complete circuit of time taken to get a true copy of the original file then a faster processor does help shorten the download cycle.

I realize that people who think the faster chip helps download speeds are incorrectly thinking it helps transmission speed, but people are rather viciously ridiculed for a rather simple mistake that isn't really a mistake. A better chip will abbreviate the time it takes to get or send your files even if it doesn't effect the transmission time.

Re:selective truth in advertising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689381)

<blink>Your CPU is broadcasting an IP address!!!</blink>

Re:selective truth in advertising (5, Interesting)

cioxx (456323) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689383)

Yeah. I especially like the Intel Centrino laptop commercials where someone is in the middle of the fucking ocean or on the airport runway surfing the internet.

"Intel Centrino Lets You Unwire Your Life. Now you can enjoy a truly mobile lifestyle!"

Unless Intel advocates wardriving, I don't see how it's truly mobile. This is far more deceptive to me than G5 ads, which were just designed to let people know that Apple isn't behind times with its processor speed anymore, albeit the wording was amplified to drive the point home.

Here I am with my Alpha (2, Flamebait)

Megor1 (621918) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689229)

My silly Alpha workstation from 1992 must not be 64 bit!

Maybe you can say it's a workstation and not a PC but later Alphas ran Windows NT which in my mind makes it a PC for sure.

Re:Here I am with my Alpha (3, Interesting)

whomeyup (635503) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689275)

Hmmmmm....I recall Windows NT Workstation and Windows NT Server. Ive never seen Windows NT PC.

Re:Here I am with my Alpha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689313)

Its Windows, therefore its a PC though they claim otherwise. Workstations have two to ten processors and run Linux or Solaris. Windows is usally just a PC or Dumb Terminal. Although aperently Windows XP home is branded Windows XP Workstation internaly (CPU-Z seems to think so anyway).

Re:Here I am with my Alpha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689331)

Linux and Solaris, eh? I guess anything else that runs Irix or HP-UX or BSD are not qualified as a workstation.

Re:Here I am with my Alpha (1)

boobsea (728173) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689410)

I dont recall a Mac OS "PC" either.

Of course, I guess This particular Alpha chip [geek.com] was targeted towards high end servers and workstations too?

It may not have been targeted towards the Grandma at home like the Mac is (just an example), but PC is a very broad definition and Apple is definitely in the wrong here.

Re:Here I am with my Alpha (1)

froschmann (765104) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689317)

I could run NT on my power pc Apple clone. That didn't make it a PC. Come to think of it, the G5 is not a PC either.

Re:Here I am with my Alpha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689389)

Alpha's aren't sold at Compusa and aren't marketed (where never marketed) to the consumer sector. While you might agree some former alpha customers may be interested in PPC970 based machines to replace their workstations, you can't really argue that Apple isn't in the PC space.

Re:Here I am with my Alpha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689396)

My silly Alpha workstation from 1992 must not be 64 bit!

Maybe you can say it's a workstation and not a PC but later Alphas ran Windows NT which in my mind makes it a PC for sure.


Let me get this straight. In your mind, your Alpha is a PC and yet you call it a workstation. Oookay!

Re:Here I am with my Alpha (1)

rampant mac (561036) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689418)

"Alphas ran Windows NT which in my mind makes it a PC for sure."

MicroSoft used to have a PowerPC edition of Windows NT, that doesn't make it a Mac.

What about... (2, Offtopic)

NiKnight3 (532580) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689234)

While we're on the subject, how in the world did McDonald's get to have "America's Favorite Fries"?

America's Fries that Will Most Likely Give You a Coronary, more like it...

Re:What about... (1)

Tyrdium (670229) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689256)

Take a look at the statement (it's on their fry containers). In fine print, it states that the "favorite" statement is according to amount of fries sold, or value of fries sold, or something like that, compared to all other companies.

Re:What about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689273)

McDonald's fries are high in fat, but they have 0 cholesterol. Cholesterol has only seen to have some relationship with heart disease, but nothing conclusive. A sedentary lifestyle will you bring a whole wealth of more problems that eating McDonald's fries. And don't forget about family history.

Re:What about... (5, Funny)

Jexx Dragon (733193) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689281)

I've been wondering about the new McDonnalds comercial here thats says "Nothing is better then a McDonnalds' burger." Really, everything is better then a McDonnalds burger, well, except egg nog.

Re:What about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689312)

I've been wondering about the new McDonnalds comercial here thats says "Nothing is better then a McDonnalds' burger." Really, everything is better then a McDonnalds burger, well, except egg nog.

Sure, everything is better than a McDonalds' burger but they don't refute that. The question is whether it's better to have nothing than it is to have a McDonalds' burger, and if McDonalds are saying it is then are you going to argue?

Re:What about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689323)

Or they could be saying nothing, itself IS better than having McDonald's burger. Silly english.

Where else? (5, Funny)

rickst13 (723165) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689235)

Hmmm... In the UK, TV regulators banned the ad. In the US, the Better Business Bureau could ban the ad. Apple should take their business to Russia. In Soviet Russia, the ad bans you.

Plausable Ambiguity (5, Insightful)

arashiakari (633150) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689237)

Fastest at what? (No, seriously...)

Fastest selling? TRUE!

Fastest falling? Maybe (Looks aerodynamic...)
Fastest obsolescence?
Fastest at one particular kind of mathematical operation?
Fastest mobo latency?
Fastest design and fab process?
Fastest repairs? (Easy access panel...)

Heh. Who the hells knows what any ads are REALLY about these days. Lies, Damn Lies, and Advertising. I'm not a Mac-hater, writing this from my lovely 12" iBook G4.

Out of context (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689332)

"The world's fastest, most powerful personal computer....."

It's clear what they claim when you don't take that one word out of context. The fact that so many people are trying to excuse them for lying makes this all the better. :)

Does anyone ever actually believe advertisers? (5, Insightful)

froschmann (765104) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689238)

While truthfulness in advertising is important, this is one of those times where an advertiser made a claim that is kind of hard to prove. A computer that is faster at one thing is not necessarily faster at another. Besides, when you hear "world's best hamburger," you don't automatically believe them solely based on the ads, do you?

Re:Does anyone ever actually believe advertisers? (1)

Ralph Yarro (704772) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689326)

"Best" is so obviously subjective as to tell you nothing. There's no real test that you could use to refute it, especially about a hamburger. A lot more people will take "fastest" as being a factual claim, because that's what it sounds like.

Re:Does anyone ever actually believe advertisers? (1)

milatchi (694575) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689364)

I didn't believe Hardees but then I tried the "Six Dollar Burger" (made with real angus beef ) and I can taste the difference but now I can't afford a G5 :-(

What's so special about speed? (3, Interesting)

jkabbe (631234) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689243)

I have never understood.....when companies lie (or make questionable claims) about "fastest" or "first" people get all up-in-arms. But when companies lie about quality or other things people don't care.

Case in point: I didn't see Apple (or anyone else) complaining that Dell was lying in ads where they implied that the night call center workers were actually in the US.

And Dell directly implies in their ads that if you're running Unix there are all sorts of negative things that will happen to you that are pretty much not true.

Whatever. The BBB is just another piece of the marketing machine I guess.

Re:What's so special about speed? (1)

spellraiser (764337) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689394)

I have never understood.....when companies lie (or make questionable claims) about "fastest" or "first" people get all up-in-arms. But when companies lie about quality or other things people don't care.

Well, speed is a simple, measureable and quantifiable concept. Qualitity is much more elusive and ambiguous.

Since claims about speed can be verified, they are easy to criticise. They get you thinking "Hmmm - is this right?"; and then you can immediately start thinking of ways to verify them.

With quality and other non-quantifiable concepts, you just tend to shrug it off as just yet more business babble.

Ummm.. (1)

xanadu-xtroot.com (450073) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689244)

But Apple's right in this case, aren't they?

The winner is Linux/AMD. The loser is Apple/G5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689433)

Linux/AMD beats OSX/G5

http://mark.technolope.org/pages/rad_bench.html

I know, there wasn't enough FUD! (3, Interesting)

newdamage (753043) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689248)

I was wondering how Apple gets reprimanded for these claims, yet MS goes unheeded with all of its comparative TCO mumbo jumbo, and the fact that "exagerated advertising" is, well, normal. My only guess is that Apple was just too straightforward with its claims (gee, what a novel concept!), and didn't throw in enough technical buzzwords and marketing FUD to confuse everybody.

Apple's current stance: Our G5's are damn fast, faster than Wintel stuff, and we'll stand by that claim.
Average Consumer: Really? Wow.
Dell: Crap.

Apple's new stance: Our G5's have multi-threaded double buffered optimized 256 bit parallel pipelined 64 bit x-streaming architecture!
Average consumer:
Dell: much better.

Re:I know, there wasn't enough FUD! (1)

rnd() (118781) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689387)

You dispute the Microsoft TCO claims?

Re:I know, there wasn't enough FUD! (4, Insightful)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689390)

The thing that bugs me is that it takes a complaint from a competitor. Haven't individuals been complaining to BBB and other organizations about Apple's ads? The thing is though that Apple HAS been saying "personal computer" all along that I remember so I don't understand the BBB's comments.

Intel's "wireless everywhere" ads don't mention the need for a base station, not the likelyhood that such a station won't be found on a freaking mountain for that matter, despite what some of the ads imply.

Don't we have anything better to do? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689250)

What a waste of time and money. Can we do something useful like helping the homeless or feeding the hungry instead of complaining about someone's fucking advertising? Sheesh.

Re:Don't we have anything better to do? (0, Troll)

DesScorp (410532) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689297)

Oh piss off, you fucking whiner. If you're so damned concerned about the homeless and the hungry, get off your fat ass and do something about it, instead of sitting in front of a computer reading slashdot, loser.

Re:Don't we have anything better to do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689393)

heh you're sitting in front of a computer, on your fat ass, reading slashdot.

Re:Don't we have anything better to do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689413)

he's not the one bitching about the homeless and hungry, though

Re:Don't we have anything better to do? (1)

Patrik_AKA_RedX (624423) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689416)

Can we do something useful like helping the homeless or feeding the hungry instead of complaining about someone's fucking advertising?
Each time I notice hunger, I do whatever I can to solve it. Like yesterday afternoon when I got hungry I went trough all the trouble of buying, cooking and eating some food.
I know, the world would be a better place if everybody worked this hard to fight hunger.

obStoner (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689252)

... and it was like... lie lie lie.... and it was... like... bummer.

Who really cares about speed? (4, Insightful)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689253)

Do average consumers really care about the speed of a computer? most of them are more likely to be looking at the cost of a computer and what they can do with it.

Now a business is more likely to consider a fast computer if it increases productivity, but then a business is more likely to be clued up about hardware and not be believing the claims of an advert.

Ultimately the selection of a computer will be based on if it can do what you want for the right price, there are certain pieces of software that aren't available for non-Windows systems and so speed counts for nothing if you need that software.

Re:Who really cares about speed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689384)

It's the reason why only 5% of the computing world throws away good money on a Macintosh, and that number is shrinking every day. Jobs is finding it harder and harder to find utter morons to buy his over priced latency machines.

Re:Who really cares about speed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689405)

Yes, average consumers do care about speed. Most computers are purchased to replace an older, slower model. Speed is precisely the issue, especially if you have recently purchased any multimedia (dig vid, dig cam...). Making unsuported claims of higher speeds is not only wrong but just plain cruel.

I have an easy test. (2, Interesting)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689257)

Take 1100 dell'ss at 64 bits and make them into a "super computer" (quotes because the super part is arguable)

Take 1100 apple g5's and make them into a super computer.

Which one will be in the top 5?

Apple, the most powerful, lowest priced 64bit based PC available. That is true.

Re:I have an easy test. (1)

ScarletEmerald (717076) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689304)

Uh, which Dell 64 bit PCs are you using for this comparison? Does Dell even sell a 64 bit PC?

Re:I have an easy test. (3, Interesting)

JustinXB (756624) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689320)

Take 1024 Xboxes and make them into a supercomputer. The result? 81920 gigaflops, twice that of the number 1 supercomputer. Cost? $204800. A bargin.

That is if you believe nVidia's claim that the Xbox runs at 80 gigaflops.

Re:I have an easy test. (4, Informative)

evanbd (210358) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689368)

You are aware that those numbers are usually LinPack numbers, not just theoretical specs, right? the Xbox probably does run at 80 GFlops in some theoretical sense, when you consider the graphics chip. But, that won't translate into LinPack numbers. The Apple supercomputer, on the other hand, actually has a LinPack score worth mentioning.

Re:I have an easy test. (4, Interesting)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689321)

It may be fastest, and may have been the cheapest 64 bit desktop PC system on introduction. A problem with making the claim now is that that eMachines has been selling Athlon 64 systems at about $1000 for three months now.

Apple has long shelved the ad campaign though.

Re:I have an easy test. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689333)

I don't know, I've seen AMD64 systems going for $899 with 512mb and 120gig harddisk with a ATI 9600 video card. The same system for $1100 can get you 1024mb with two 120gig drives.

I don't see the G5 as a "true" 64bit system until Apple supports it with OSX, i.e. most Mac users won't use Linux.

The chip itself is fairly impressive, but the price of their systems is out of line. Maybe $1300 to $1800 fully loaded with a low end iMac options at $799 to $999. Their iBook and Powerbook (whatever they are calling them now) need to be updated as soon as possible too.

They need to worry about market share, try to get above the 2% margin. They need to stop focusing on the Apple "touch" and realize that hardware is hardware, whether it's made in the United States or a country in Asian, and whether it is Dell or Apple. An ATI 9800 XT is the same video card in both system "really".

Re:I have an easy test. (2, Insightful)

iamacat (583406) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689376)

They need to stop focusing on the Apple "touch"

Absolutely not! Would you ask Porsche to fight for market share with Honda and use cheap, generic components? After all, a car is a car.

The 2% are buying Apple for flawless quality and design and paying good money for that. This kind of reputation is hard to build and easy to lose.

Re:I have an easy test. (5, Funny)

petabyte (238821) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689366)

"Apple, the most powerful, lowest priced 64bit based PC available. That is true."

*Looks at DEC Alpha in corner running NT*
*Looks at UltraSparc running Linux in other corner*
*Looks at reciept for both of them*

So where can I get a G5 for 300 dollars. I could use the upgrade :)

I'm writing to share a tragic little story. (-1)

(1337) God (653941) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689263)

My Dad has a TV that my sister and I used to use for relaxing in between homework assignments. One night, I was writing a paper while watching it, when all of a sudden it went berserk, the screen started flashing, and the whole show just turned into this weird ad with some funky lookin computer for black people or something. G5. I mean, like, whoa. Maybe it was all lies, but it was a good paper! I had to cram and read thru the Sunday ads to buy a new TV cause the picture tube in the one we were watching broke. I think it was, like, the 64 bits or something of G5. Or maybe some rapper from D12 shot at the G5 while it was on screen and murdered my television? Needless to say, my rushed paper wasn't nearly as good, and I blame that TV for the grade I got.

I'm happy to report that my sister and I now share a Sony Trinitron. It's a lot nicer to watch the G5 ad on than my dad's TV was, it hasn't let me down once, and my grades have all been really good.

Thanks, Apple.

Ellen Feiss

MOD PARENT +1 FUNNY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689272)

ROR OMFG that's on teh spoke, ya'll.

Dear Apple (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689265)

Dear Apple,

I am a homosexual. I bought an Apple computer because of its well earned reputation for being "the" gay computer. Since I have become an Apple owner, I have been exposed to a whole new world of gay friends. It is really a pleasure to meet and compute with other homos such as myself. I plan on using my new Apple computer as a way to entice and recruit young schoolboys into the homosexual lifestyle; it would be so helpful if you could produce more software which would appeal to young boys. Thanks in advance.

with much gayness,

Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day, S.J.

Michaels Computers??? (1, Funny)

Stu Catz (728228) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689279)

i thought he had the fastest computers, maybe DELL should go after him instead

Dear Father O'Day (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689282)

Dear Father O'Day:

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Sincerely,
Harry Rodman
Vice-president
Homosexual Liaison Services
Apple Computer, Inc.

There's a first.... (5, Insightful)

skidde (670293) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689286)

A company making misleading claims? That's never happened before. [zdnet.co.uk]

Oh let's give thanks and praise.... (0, Troll)

hackysak (727003) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689287)

that we have Dell looking out for us consumers.. Isn't that EXTRA special?? Gives me the warm and fuzzies.. I think this somehow revolves around Michael Dell's obsession with becomming Steve Jobs.. He's so jealous..

They should call it The Most Productive (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689293)

Because you don't get bogged down with playing games and apps that haven't ported to the Mac. The G5 keeps your eyes on the prize.

The prize being... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689407)

...wasting $3,000 on a computer that you can only use for word processing, web browsing, playing Civilization III (non-multiplayer edition, mind you) and making images for somethingawful's Photoshop Phriday. What a great prize that is.

Why should Dell care? (5, Interesting)

thefinite (563510) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689294)

As the Apple Turns [appleturns.com] has an insightful take on the whole thing. I had never heard of the Dell cluster in Buffalo. Bummer for Buffalo.

Fact or opinion? (4, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689316)

I have never ever seen a benchmark that can truly give a consistent, unbiased speed comparison between 2 different architectures. Many benchmarks wil run at different speeds if run twice on the same system, and it's always possible to bias a benchmark towards a certain processor simply by choosing the operations that can be performed efficiently by that processor.

Given this, I tend to consider speed to be opinion rather than factual information. The fact that a factoid looks like a fact, doesn't make it one. Because of this, I don't see it as a great crime to make semi-substantiated claims iabout speed in the advertising.

Better Business Bureaux? (4, Funny)

CountBrass (590228) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689335)

And these the same bunch of no-hopers that gave SCO a clean bill of health? Why are we even taking any notice of what they have to say?

Rabid Mac fanboy mouth-frothing (0)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689336)

in 3.....2......

No seriously, companies makes claims about being "The Greatest" in whatever field they may happen to have a product in all of the time. However, I don't remember any company, be it computer manufacturer or CPU maker, ever claim to have the fastest product on the market.

And you know, anyone that has used a G5 (we have 4 here at work) can tell you that there are plenty of faster alternatives that cost less. Dual CPU rack servers, even cheapo Compaq ProLiants DL series, immediately spring to mind.

Don't forget (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689391)

Any low end Sun product that is $2k or under. All faster than a G5.

What apple should do... (2, Interesting)

josh glaser (748297) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689355)

...is have a "Apple challenge" with the G5 and a P4. Show people both computers, have them use them, and see which one is faster, has the nicer interface, looks cooler, etc. (It would also be a good way for Apple to prove that there really is software on the Mac.) See what people would say is faster - I know what I'd say. Then they could say G5 is the fastest or whatever.

I'd be the first to admit that Apple was really lagging behind with the G4, but the G5 changed all that. Especcially since, come summer, I'll be able to buy a Dual 3 GHz (crosses fingers).

Actually, I'm waiting for a G5 Powerbook. No suprise there, but holy crap that'd be fast. (And hot...and big...but fast.) ;-)

Fastest FOR WHAT? (3, Interesting)

StandardCell (589682) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689356)

If you want very specialized fast floating point performance for certain scientific applications, Itanium is where it's at.

If you want business performance, a multi-processor Opteron trumps them all.

If you want super fast video and audio encoding, a dual Xeon with hyperthreading will probably kill all of these.

If you want the fastest mobile processor with good battery life, Centrino is the way to go.

If you want the fastest computing cluster, you'd probably have to go with UVA's Mac cluster.

All of the above are probably temporarily in those positions and subject to considerable debate. I hate these "fastest computer ever" statements. Computing is far too dynamic and varied to put all-encompassing labels on. No one platform is ideally suited for all tasks. You make compromises and go from there.

Apple vs Dell vs Apple vs Dell vs Apple vs Dell vs (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689359)

Unsere kleidung ist so schwarz.

Unsere stiefel sind so schoen.

Links den roten blitz.

Rechts den schwarzen stern.

Unsere schreie sind so laut.

Unser tanz ist so wild.

Alle gegen alle.

WTF?? NAD and idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8689373)

In a statement Thursday, NAD also said it took issue with Apple's claim regarding the computer's 64-bit processor. The "advertiser's claim, 'the world's first 64-bit processor for personal computers,' could reasonably be interpreted to apply to workstations, in the context in which it was presented." This claim was unsupported by evidence, according to NAD. The organization said that although the advertisement had run its course, it recommended that Apple "modify this claim to effectively limit it to personal computers." [Emphasis mine]

Am I the only one who goes WTF?? NAD told Apple to modify a claim that explicitly said "for personal computers" to limit it to "personal computers".

Amazing (2, Insightful)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689374)

I find false marketing to be one of the more upsetting things that companies can do, and I find it a little disturbing that so many Slashdotters seem to feel that it's all right because *it's Apple*. Were it Dell or Compaq or God knows who, people would be up in arms.

It's pretty obvious that Apple's "fastest computer" claims aren't true and were intended to mislead consumers (even the most generous of readings would admit that they were valid for a very, very limited subset of carefully chosen tests for about a month, far less time than the compaign ran for, and only applied to single-processor computers). There may not be all that much damage caused (heck, the net effect may be positive), but there's little doubt in my mind that Apple was trying to implant fairly bogus information in people's heads.

The way I see it, even if someone's taking on Microsoft and we want them very much to do well, holding them to a lower standard of integrity (or anything else) is ultimately a losing strategy. Those people will ultimately take advantage of that leeway, and end up producing a worse product/service. If Red Hat puts out a crummy program or makes a decision that negatively impacts me, I will happily complain vocally and publically. Apple deserves to be held to no lesser of a standard.

Re:Amazing (4, Insightful)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689419)

It's pretty obvious that Apple's "fastest computer" claims aren't true


You know, that is *obviously* not true.

Else the ads wouldn't be an issue.
Else no one would blink an eye.

Like the Microsoft ads where the kid starts flying. OBVIOUSLY not true.

These ads, if OBVIOUSLY untrue, as you claim, then shouldn't be a problem.

The real problem here, and why Dell is complaining, is that when they were released, they were VERY true.

It was the most powerful 64bit computer per dollar; that is why Virginia Tech chose the G5 over all other competitors (including Dell) for their supercomputer. No one was cheaper. No one was more powerful.

Today? No, not THE most powerful, nor the cheapest, offered by an OEM.

Multia (0, Flamebait)

Caractacus Potts (74726) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689397)

Hey, don't my Digital Multias use a 64-bit Alpha processor? Pretty sure. Even ran 64-bit VMS after a bunch of fiddling.

I'm suing Dell (5, Funny)

MacFury (659201) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689398)

Everytime I see their ad where the guy says, "Dude! You're getting a Dell!" I wait patiently by my door for the FedEx guy. He hasn't showed up yet! I'm awfully disappointed by their lack of honesty in their advertisements.

Apple is the WORST when it comes to lying (-1, Flamebait)

realmolo (574068) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689400)

They've always done this. They pick one benchmark in which their high-end Mac beats a high-end Dell that costs half as much... Then it's in all their ads that Macs are faster than PCs. Which is amusing, because even a $500 eMachine is subjectively faster than the fastest Mac. The GUI is more responsive, web browsing is faster... The PowerPC is a great processor, but it's hampered by the ridiculously slow GUI of OS X.

more advertising goofyness (4, Funny)

mabu (178417) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689401)

My favorite completely ridiculous advertising claim these days is Pentax' claim as the Official Digital Camera of the Internet [pentaxusa.com] .

These companies have gone completely nuts.

And Microsoft..... (5, Insightful)

ericdano (113424) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689426)

And Microsoft says it's operating system is safe and secure and the best. I don't see anyone taking issue with that when it's totally not true.....

Apple makes excellent computers.

Looks like Dell has their own problems... (3, Interesting)

TimTheFoolMan (656432) | more than 10 years ago | (#8689428)

At least based on this article in the NY Times [nytimes.com] (with all the usual privacy business that people complain about), it sounds like Dell and Intel may have some explaining to do about HOW they get this incredible performance numbers...

Tim

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