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Confessions of a Mac OS X User

pudge posted more than 10 years ago | from the guilt-is-for-the-weak dept.

OS X 989

An anonymous reader writes "Here's an interesting commentary on OSDir.com about one Mac OS X user's guilt over using it instead of Linux on his laptop, and how he's been burned by the dreaded iBook logic board problems so much that it underlines the tyranny of hardware vendor lock-in: it's not that Mac OS X isn't F/OSS, but that it only runs on Apple hardware. It also raises the obvious question: have you ever felt guilty over using Mac OS X instead of Linux?"

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Don't forget... (-1)

SCO$699FeeTroll (695565) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115518)

...to pay your $699 licensing fee you cock-smoking teabaggers.

Work up (-1, Offtopic)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115522)

to my GNNA's from tha Wesideeeeee!

Re:Work up (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115552)

Yes... Who is the Dizzle..?

Re:Work up (-1, Offtopic)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115577)

I'm not sure, I have his card but it's printed black-on-black.

Don't ask me.. (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115524)


have you ever felt guilty over using Mac OS X instead of Linux?

You'll have to ask my ex-wife; she took the Mac. :(

Re:Don't ask me.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115573)

Wow, just when you didn't think the linux masturbation could get any worse...

The karma whoring for this is going to be unbearable.

Re:Don't ask me.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115598)

whatchootalkboutwillis?

Re:Don't ask me.. (4, Funny)

McAddress (673660) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115625)

have you ever felt guilty over using Mac OS X instead of Linux?

umm.. no. however i do feel guilty for having a linux box without paying $699 to SCO. wait a sec. i don't feel guilty about that either.

Confession of a Mac OS X User (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115525)

iDidn't do it.

This article doesn't make sense..... (5, Insightful)

Dr Reducto (665121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115526)

I don't know what is up with this guy. His logic board gets fried, so he says that he can't stand hardware lock-in. It seems like just a rant, and doesn't really make sense. if he didn't like the hardware, he should have just sold the iBook on Ebay, instead of just keeping it. Running Linux won't fix the logic board, and he will be back to having the same problems that he had with his Dell(No Linux Compatibility with Linksys Wireless card.)

Re:This article doesn't make sense..... (1)

Feyr (449684) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115623)

that's not what he said. he love the eye candy, but having to switch back to linux and losing time reinstalling everything because the hardware is too crappy to whistand normal use is aggravating him... too bad really i was considering buying a powerbook

Re:This article doesn't make sense..... (5, Interesting)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115742)

You know, I don't know what these people consider "normal use" but as an iBook owner for 3 years (died from an accident involving electricity and water) and a powerbook owner for a year and a half, and as someone who carries his laptops in a book bag to classes, to work, and on planes and such, I have never had the sort of hardware problems people describe. And I'm not the only one. I know people who still have original TiBooks that put them through the same stuff I do and they're still working fine. And this thing does everything I've thrown at it, from compiling applications to running games to editing audio and video.

The more I hear these stories, the more I wonder if people try to boot their machines by throwing them against a wall. These aren't windows machines people, put away the sledge hammers.

Re:This article doesn't make sense..... (5, Insightful)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115632)

I don't know what is up with this guy. His logic board gets fried, so he says that he can't stand hardware lock-in. It seems like just a rant, and doesn't really make sense.

Agreed... The "guilty" question is the really puzzling thing:

It also raises the obvious question: have you ever felt guilty over using Mac OS X instead of Linux?

Why would you feel guilty for not using a F/OSS operating system? This is just ideology run amuck. Programmers and engineers need to eat too. We can't all work for free.

I'm not even an Apple user, because of the cost. But Apple makes a good product and charges what it's worth. You get a well designed package, with hardware and software components designed by the same manufacturer to work together as a system. I can't go to Fry's, buy a cart full of cheap commodity PC hardware, and expect to (easily) run Mac OS X on it. So what? Avoiding vendor lock-in is one thing, but why would you feel "guilty" for using it?

Executive summary - (4, Funny)

ericspinder (146776) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115662)

I think that I've got it...
(Paraphrasing)When to a show in '02, bought a wireless PC card and had trouble installing said card on Linux laptop. Bought an Apple laptop, (you know the one with the bad logic board), sent it for repair, still a problem. But this is not a "harward issue" as it is software issue because I cannot keep a second machine running Linux, every time I need to use my second machine I need to reload the OS with my preferences and settings. So, I hate fucking OSX for not setting up my Linux box for me while my Power book is in the shop again. Damn vendor lock in

I think that he is going to try to load Linux on his Power Book. That's a followup story I'd like to see! I don't know if it is possiable, but he seemed to have trouble getting an wireless card running....

Makes perfect sense... (4, Interesting)

loosifer (314643) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115699)

...he just did not do a good job of making the point.

His main point is that if this happened to you on a PC, you could easily go to another vendor and run the same software on different hardware. Your Dell died and you think it's not going to recover? Drop the drive (or dd, or rsync, or whatever) into an IBM and you're basically good to go.

Because Apple does not let you run OS X on any other hardware, you are completely dependent on them for making your software work. If you get used to a certain environment and certain applications but then the hardware fails, you're screwed.

Not so with anything on the x86 platform. It may not be easy, but linux, Windows, and others can be moved to different hardware from different vendors pretty easily.

In other words, using Apple's software is _both_ software and hardware lock-in, and he hates it.

I thought the guilt thing was silly, tho. Use what works best for you; I find it takes hours more a month to maintain my stupid linux box (often just because it's x86) than my powerbook, even though I do much more crap to the powerbook. I'm certainly not going to feel guilty for just using my computer, instead of maintaining it.

Re:This article doesn't make sense..... (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115755)

But with Linux on a Dell he isn't locked into a Linksys Wireless card ... he can choose something different. The hardware lock-in comes from only being able to run OS X on Apple hardware.

Nope. (1)

Enahs (1606) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115528)

I use OS X as part of my job. Why should I feel guilty?

Re:Nope. (4, Funny)

TedCheshireAcad (311748) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115648)

Don't feel guilty. In fact, you should go by the unspoken Apple mantra that those of us who use OS X are better than everyone else.

This post is more right because it was posted from OS X.

Re:Nope. (3, Funny)

Deraj DeZine (726641) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115664)

Ask RMS that question... but bring a pillow.

Re:Nope. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115715)

Ask RMS that question... but bring a pillow.

Bring a gun too. You can use the pillow to muffle the gunshot (to your head or RMS's head, whatever you think is best)

So do I but... (4, Insightful)

MarcQuadra (129430) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115670)

So do I, but I keep findig places where Linux has the advantage. OS X is a kick-ass server and desktop OS, but Linux is really great for obscure shit, like making that ancient LPT photographic printer into a network printer, or packet-sniffing the network to figure out where all the traffic's coming from.

Hell, I run 200 Macs, but I use Linux boot-CDs to image the ones from the pre-firewire days. It's just easier to have a respawning pair of 'netcat' processes listening on the server than fiddling with open-firmware or netrestore. I just boot the mac with the linux CD, netcat the file down and dd it to /dev/hda. Of course there's a bit more to it than that if you actually want it to happen quickly, but if you know your fundamentals it's no hassle.

Do I feel guilty about not using Linux? Sometimes, I feel bad for not using Linux on my x86 box here, but I need to run a windows app to track tickets on it. I feel bad for not running a few Linux boxes for the kids to toy with on campus, but if they show an inclination to geekiness I'll be showing them the way to OSS anyway.

No (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115529)

It's pretty far down on the things I feel guilty about. I'm a middle-class white American male, you insensitive clod!

Re:No (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115750)

Right, so just go clod bashing, you bigot.

Guilty? No time! (1)

wedding (618458) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115539)

I've never felt guilty about using Mac. That smug self assurance from not seeing Windows every morning lets me avoid any real critical thought about the choice.

Re:Guilty? No time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115656)

This is one of the funniest comments I've ever read on Slashdot. Why did it not get modded as such?

Re:Guilty? No time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115757)

because it wasn't

Re:Guilty? No time! (1)

Blondie-Wan (559212) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115762)

Indeed. Frankly, I'd feel more guilty about using Windows than about using any alternative.

That said, this guy has a valid rant. I'm as big an Apple / Mac defender as anyone on this board, as my post history should show, but if I'd had as rotten luck with an iBook as this guy has had, I'd be upset about it as well. The iBook mobo problems certainly warrant serious attention from Apple. I don't know if they just had a run of boards with bad parts or what, but whatever it is, Apple ought to do something to correct it, both to be fair to its customers and to stave off bad PR.

Hmm. (4, Insightful)

daeley (126313) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115544)

Sometimes I feel guilty about useless navel-gazing, as should anyone who bases computer usage on guilt. Good God, use it or don't, and stop whining about it!

umm..... (3, Funny)

paranoidsim (239426) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115548)

tap. tap. tap.
click. click. click. ......
mmm......

no.

Re:umm..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115717)

the real question it whether those clicks were done with a one-button mouse.

This comment was not intended to start a flame war about mac mice, but it probably will.

How to translate Mac owners (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115551)

Mac Zealot Translator-o-matic

Apple have come up with some innovative products, but their market share remains tiny. Sadly, though, many buyers have been mislead by the marketing and eye-candy, and desperately try to justify their overpriced purchases to themselves on forums around the Net. Let's see what they really mean...

"MacOS X is everything Linux wants to be."
"Despite the fact that Linux is just code and can't WANT to be anything, I truly believe that it'd love to be a single-vendor, single-platform, sluggish half-proprietary OS with dwindling market share. Linux would love to throw away its impressively growing corporate takeup for that."

"Apple hardware is for real computer lovers."
"It's no hassle to use a plethora of keyboard combos to make up for the patronising one-button mouse. Despite the fact that my hands have FIVE fingers, and multiple-buttons make Web browsing so much more pleasant, I prefer my computer to be treat me like a special-needs child."

"Aqua makes me so much more productive!"
"My non-techie friends drool over the transparency and scaling effects, even though UI research has shown that they add practically nothing to getting real work done. It feels like KDE 2 on a Pentium 200, and I can't change to a light and fast WM, but those drop-shadows must make me work so quickly!"

"OSX shows that Apple is committed to open source."
"OpenDarwin.org and its community of about 27 is surely not just a token gesture by Apple. Pretty much nobody uses pure Darwin, and all the crucial components of the system are closed and require me to spend money just to get major OS updates, but they're really helping the community somehow."

"You get what you pay for with Apple hardware."
"My iBook was made by in Taiwan by AlphaTop and has design and build quality flaws (needing foam sheets jammed in to stop the common problem of the keyboard scratching the screen). Meanwhile thousands of Mac laptop owners are trying to sue Apple over poorly-made logic boards. But it's silvery and cost far more than an x86 laptop of better spec, so it must be much higher quality!"

"...blah blah MHz myth blah..."
"Although there's truth in PPC being more elegant than x86, it's crushing that the top-of-the-range 1.5 GHz chip is slaughtered by the equivalent 3 GHz Pentium 4. However, Steve Jobs showed some vague Photoshop filter benchmarks at the last MacWorld, so being a leprotard, I'm convinced."

Re:How to translate Mac owners (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115669)

EPIC POST

MOD DOWN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115727)

Parent is recycling crap. macs have 7 button mouses. the megaherz myth is dead. poster is moron, thinks hes being funny.

Maybe? (1)

AmoebafromSweden (112178) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115557)

Well, maybe this should have been a poll instead ;)

Felt guilty for using Mac OS X? (5, Interesting)

DAQ42 (210845) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115559)

What, are you crazy?
I would so much rather run this than just about any Linux distro out there. Mainly because I can guarantee my vendor is available on the phone when I need them to troubleshoot any of the funky ass things servers tend to do.

And no, you can't come to my site or have a look at my logs because it's secure, just tell me what error code -16246 means in your software, ok, thanks, bye.

Re:Felt guilty for using Mac OS X? (2, Funny)

ArmorFiend (151674) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115585)

Heh, at least its not a bomb with burning wick and the message "an error has occured [ok]".

bomb with a burning wick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115736)

You must be referring to OS9 NOT OSX

Re:Felt guilty for using Mac OS X? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115628)

we are talking about stories filtered through "editors" that astroturfed about the "problems" associated with going from Linux to WindowsXP and how the "copy/paste" was missing.

Move along.

Re:Felt guilty for using Mac OS X? (2, Insightful)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115738)

Yea! Because IBM, REDHAT, SUSE and the other enterprise linux companies don't sell 24/7/365.2423 support plans.

Oh, wait, they do!

Shouldn't that be... (1)

MalleusEBHC (597600) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115561)

from the let-the-flamewar-commence dept.

OSX is not open source (-1, Troll)

SilentSage (656382) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115565)

What I have never understood about certain segments of the open source community is why Apple gets such a big pass. The average slashdrone will rant endlessly (and probably rightly so) about the evils of SCO and Microsoft. When in fact Apple is more closed source and proprietary than both of them combined and talk about how cool Apple is and if only the world were a better place we would all use Mac's. Any model that fails to give you control of the hardware and software that you pay for is a bad one. Apple locks down both, a claim that is not applicable to either Microsoft or SCO. The open source community should get out of bed with Apple before we get another SCO situation on our hands. To those who say Apple would never do something like SCO look here [thinksecret.com] .

Re:OSX is not open source (3, Interesting)

Deraj DeZine (726641) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115710)

I'm guessing you're a troll, but the reason I look favorably upon Apple is that they contribute back to the open source community (KHTML) and give exposure to many open source projects (Mozilla).

Re:OSX is not open source (0)

AlabamaPride (745070) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115714)

You're taking a real risk of being bitch slapped by one of the editors on slashdot (its happened to me on two other accounts when I criticized Apple & Steve Jobs.) Plus there are hordes of steve job apologists in this forum that will gladly mod you down till there's nothing left but a bloody pulp. Your points are valid, and they are true but this means nothing to a mob of angry apple zealots. Becareful what you say on slashdot, most people here DO NOT respect freedom of speech, especially the mac zealots.

Re:OSX is not open source (4, Insightful)

mbbac (568880) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115719)

evils of SCO and Microsoft. When in fact Apple is more closed source and proprietary than both of them combined

Explain yourself.

Apple uses OSS as the foundation of Mac OS X. Apple uses open standards where it is possible in all aspects of the operating system and their applications. Apple even uses an open processor platform instead of IA-64 or IA-32.

talk about how cool Apple is and if only the world were a better place we would all use Mac's
I don't know of anyoen that says this. Monocultures are bad. Interoperability is good.

As far as Netflix Fanatic is concerned, Cricket still works for Apple. What does that tell you?

Re:OSX is not open source (2, Interesting)

pi radians (170660) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115722)

"When in fact Apple is more closed source and proprietary than both of them combined"

???

How can you be "more closed source and proprietary"? I'd love you hear your explanation, including specifics where MS products are "more" open source [reference.com] and less proprietary. [reference.com]

Er OS X is based on open source (5, Informative)

acomj (20611) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115737)

Apple as a company is not an angel. But its not a monoply and is leverging open source an contributing back to the open source community. As a rule Apple shuns DRM (digital rights management).

But OS-X has at its core DARWIN which is an open source version of BSD which apple puts out. The parts of the OS that isn't opensource is the graphics layer above OS and a few other bits (hfs+ the file system is not open either I think.).

They've given back web browser code, updates to GCC etc. etc.. So all told they're not bad guys.

Re:OSX is not open source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115741)

Your rant sounds so third-grade. The world is not black and white, so please, lose the fucking ideology.

Why I give Apple a pass (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115752)

I knew a student of "indigenous oppression" in colonial Africa who claimed that tribal chiefs with the authority to oppress maybe 250 people, living in grand, dirt-floor huts with four times the dirt-floor-space of their oppressed serfs, were in the same league as European empires.

Maybe they wished they were in the same league as England or France, but they weren't. Wake me up when Apple has >50 percent market share and its piddly little evil deeds take on the coercive power of M$. Then I'll be all outraged. Until then I will sit, not very oppressed and quite happy, at my Powerbook.

(I only replied to the M$ aspect---SCO is not really worth whining about unless you get too close when they're sucked down the toilet)

Re:OSX is not open source (4, Insightful)

RESPAWN (153636) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115764)

What I have never understood about certain segments of the open source community is why Apple gets such a big pass. The average slashdrone will rant endlessly (and probably rightly so) about the evils of SCO and Microsoft. When in fact Apple is more closed source and proprietary than both of them combined and talk about how cool Apple is and if only the world were a better place we would all use Mac's. Any model that fails to give you control of the hardware and software that you pay for is a bad one. Apple locks down both, a claim that is not applicable to either Microsoft or SCO. The open source community should get out of bed with Apple before we get another SCO situation on our hands. To those who say Apple would never do something like SCO look here.

You clearly havne't been visiting /. long enough. ;) Apple is the underdog and a competitor to Microsoft, so it has to be good. That said, I think they also gain points in many geeks' eyes due to the fact that OSX is built upon BSD, which is itself embraced by the slashdot community. It's also really the first *nix OS with true mainstream application support. Or at least as much as Mac OS ever had, but most importantly it has Microsoft Office support (no matter your opinion, it's still the standard) Photoshop support, and probably a bunch of other graphical production apps I've never heard of but are pretty important to a lot of other people. So, even though they are extremly closed source and proprietary, they still provide geeks with an appealing alternative to Microsoft, not to mention the occasional cool, innovative, overpriced gadget.

Ha! (1)

Bikini Kill (678047) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115568)

No more than I feel guilty for drinking champagne instead of Champale...

Yes, (4, Funny)

El_Ge_Ex (218107) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115570)


I fell guilty about using Windows XP.... opps, sorry wrong subject.

-B

Oh, the pain..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115581)

I feel guilty of using windows...but not so much, since its a pirate copy... :)

Answer: (4, Insightful)

EvilStein (414640) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115588)

No, I haven't.
I think Linux has a loooong way to go as a desktop OS. The word from LinuxWorld was "It's not quite there yet.." which means that other people feel the same way.

Mac OS X just works. It has applications that I need to get along. I like having some games. I like having stuff like iSync & iTunes. Yes, I know there's Linux apps, but I like how everything works *together* and isn't an ugly kludge. See, at work, I need to get *work* done.. I don't have time to futz around with Xconfig.

I have never ever felt guilty about using Mac OS X instead of Linux on my Apple hardware.
Linux goes on the *x86* hardware anyway.

What a silly article.

Re:Answer: (1)

Feyr (449684) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115657)

it's not quite there yet, but it's useable. i have for the last year or so

-1 Troll (0, Flamebait)

l1_wulf (602905) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115590)

Christ, I wish I could mod the original article -1 Troll.

This has to be one of the more useless articles I've read on /.

Re:-1 Troll (1)

sulli (195030) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115641)

If you could, there wouldn't be very many articles left!

Not only Apple... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115591)

When my Dell died, I had to go to Dell for warrantee work. I hate vendor lock in!

Have I ever felt guilty using Mac OSX ? (0, Flamebait)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115592)

Ehhh, no. I love OS X.

I've felt bad about using WINDOWS, though. I don't see an Ask Slashdot about that.

Average users (2, Informative)

Ooter (741986) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115600)

I seriously doubt the average OS X user would feel even the least bit guilty. Hell, the average user doesn't even know what Linux is or that fact that OS X is unix-based. Most OSX users don't contribute to the open source community anyway, they're too busy using iMovie, iTunes, iPhoto, iExcellentPackagedSoftware to feel guilty.

Re:Average users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115769)

I'd feel guilty using a one-button mouse.

Slashdot (5, Funny)

sport_160 (650020) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115602)

Sometimes I feel guilty about doing some work, while I am trying to read Slashdot.

Nope (5, Insightful)

pixelgeek (676892) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115603)

>> have you ever felt guilty over using Mac OS X instead of Linux?

Hell no. I only ever use Linux for servers.

Using any of the window managers that ship with Linux makes me love my OS X box even more.

And hardware lockin is a double-edged sword. If the hardware is of poor quality is is indeed a problem but I have never had an issue with any of the Apple hardware I have owned that I couldn't get fixed by an Apple tech in a few days.

Can't say that for some of the x86 beige box machines I've owned that I've had Linux on.

maybe because slashdot is biased towards linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115606)

and OS X is BSD which is BETTER

More of the same rubbish. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115609)

So, how long before the usual Slashdork chorus of "Port OS X to Intel" starts up?

Let's beat this at the pass: name one "port" from one processor to Intel that has been a commercial success. BeOS==dead. Solaris X86==as good as dead. NeXTStep x86==dead on arrival.

Apple's hardware is what makes the difference. Port it to Intel, you lose the magic--it becomes yet another x86 operating system that has to compete with Windows. And like all the rest of the x86 ports, it will FAIL.

never felt guilty (4, Insightful)

vingilot (218702) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115611)

Linux is not on par with mac os x as a desktop system. Maybe someday, but not yet. In this instance you get what you payfor. My webserver is linux and that works fine-- no way would I pay for mac to run my domain, its just to expensive. I love linux but I will only use it where it is the best solution.
Just like programming: java, perl, c++ depends on the solution I need to solve.

Jonathan

How does this affect me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115613)

I use Gentoo.

Let's all step back for a minute. (3, Insightful)

Chess_the_cat (653159) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115618)

Guilt implies that you've done something wrong. So why would I feel guilty about using a certain OS? This is really getting out of hand. If you feel guilty about using OS X instead of Linux you need professional help.

Re:Let's all step back for a minute. (1)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115647)

Guilt implies that you've done something wrong.

Like backing over the neighbor's cat, or running Windows, perhaps. But guilt because you're running OSX? Riiight.

I wouldnt (5, Interesting)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115627)

Now this is personal opinion, and I am sure I am inviting plenty of flames, so... here goes.

I don't think anyone should feel ashamed for not using linux as their desktop. Fact of the matter is, any OS claiming to be linux is just a mess of free software utilities and applications, on a unixy type setup.

While there have been a few noble attempts at actually building an OS from the linux kernel, it ends up being no more then repackaging the same crap in a more "shiny" way.

The linux kernel is a good base for an OS. Until something other then a Unix clone is made from it, I will stand tall to the fact that I wont use it for my desktop.

use what works (4, Insightful)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115629)

Every once in a while I feel a twinge of guilt over using an OS (Mac OS X) that, while based on an open-source foundation, isn't truly free the way Linux is. I believe strongly in the F/OSS model and would love to see it take over the software world, so shouldn't I be doing my part?

And then I look at the current state of the Linux desktop: it's pretty much caught up to Windows, but it's got a long way to go before it matches the Mac. I switched from M$ to Apple when I realized how much Windows sucked in comparison to the MacOS, and I've never really regretted that decision, so why would I want to take a step backwards? At the end of the day, I'm a pragmatist, not an ideologue. Use what works, not what someone else tells you that you should use because it's morally superior (Linux) or what everyone else is using (Windows).

Right here, right now, OS X lets me get my work done faster, more efficiently, and more enjoyably than any other OS. If that changes, maybe my choice of OS will too. It hasn't happened yet, and honestly I don't expect that it will any time soon.

Feel guilty? (4, Insightful)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115630)

About using a superior desktop product?

Sorry, I feel no guilt in using the right tool for the right job.

Powerbook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115637)

I thought I would feel guilty when I bought my powerbook last month, but I don't. OS X and the PB is much better than suse 9.0 and my old Dell inspiron8200. The os is just better and it is Unix based. Once you go mac you never go back, trust me.

Related article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115638)

here [adequacy.org]

Mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115643)

This has to be the fastest slashdotting of a story!

http://slushdot.org/mirror/osdir/article434.html [slushdot.org]

It's all I got before she died!

Feeling *guilty* ? (2)

E-Lad (1262) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115644)


If you're feeling "guilty" about using a particular OS over another one, you need to ask yourself what you're using the OS in question for in the first place. Because it suites your needs or because it /is/ or /is not/ something else?

If you buy something like a Mac and then feel guilty about using OSX on it, geez man, it's time to get a lithium prescription unless you really feel like running Linux on it would give you something that OSX can't, other than any perceived or actual ethical/theological dogma.

Logic board went... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115646)

...smoke smoke smoke. And the whole logic board disappeared. And it was a good logic board! Needless to say, my fedexed replacement logic board wasn't nearly as good, and I blame that logic board for my guilt.

hard disks locked inside the ibook (2, Interesting)

dgerman (78602) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115652)

One thing that annoys me is that there is no way the user can service (replace or remove) the hard disks.
My ibook has suffered 2 motherboard failures, and the machine would not even boot in firewire mode. I wished I could just remove the disk, and send the laptop for service (the service people don't need to see my files!)

The laptops I owned previously (IBM and dell) both allowed me to remove the disk.

Never used an Apple product in my life. (2, Interesting)

IdleTime (561841) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115659)

I've never used an Apple product in my life. I have looked at OSX a few times but find it very unintuitive and I don't much care for beeing locked into ONE vendor for both software and hardware, pluss the fact that anything branded Apple is as expensive as a minor nuclear device.

I know I'm going to be flamed by the 1337 Apple zealots but i couldn't care less.

Maybe just a little, but not much guilt (4, Interesting)

Faramir (61801) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115661)

I've been a medium-level Linux sys admin for a number of years. But I'm also a web designer, and recently I decided that I needed to get a notebook. The decision to go with an iBook was almost a no-brainer: I wanted professional applications instead of almost-professional, and I didn't want to worry about incompatibilities, libraries, GNOME buggering itself, etc. And it has been marvelous. Now that I've replaced my linux box with a dedicated DSL router, I hardly ever turn it on.

Overall, perhaps I do feel a bit guilty. I wish Sodipodi, The Gimp, and Bluefish were more stable and competitive with FreeHand, Fireworks, and Dreamweaver. And while I've used all of those applications to do some advanced things, it is simply easier and faster for me to use my Macromedia apps. Sure they cost me a few (student) dollars, but they've been worth every penny. (and yes, I started with MacGIMP, which at least is better than WinGIMP).

But the best part is that I've stopped screwing around on the computer, thus freeing me up for other more important life activites (wife, for instance).

Enjoy! (4, Insightful)

samantha (68231) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115665)

I only tried a Mac (Powerbook) less than a week ago. I used to own one of the early macs in the mid 80s that I loved but I felt frustrated by proprietary cuteness. I find Mac today has even more of the wonderful aesthetic appeal and is *much* more open thanks to the unix basis and the work of many. So I consider it the best of all worlds for my laptop needs. I love Linux and have owned several linux desktops and laptops. But the Powerbook is the first computer that has put a big grin on my face every time I use it in many a year. Guilt? Over happy computing?

Build quality issues? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115666)

I've considered a Powerbook, but to be totally honest I haven't seen the stunning build quality that is so often remarked upon in the Mac community. Sure, they're better than cheapo eMachines-type kit, but they're still Taiwanese ODM systems and I keep reading about problems with warping, logic boards failing, screen scratches, duff drives, dodgy touchpads, and so on. I think I'll settle on a Thinkpad or Toshiba Sat Pro - they're built like tanks.

By the way, here's the URL of one report I was reading: http://www.insanely-great.com/features/011130.html [insanely-great.com] . Can anyone confirm this guy's musings? It'd be interesting to hear from other Slashdotters on the matter!

What?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115668)

Are you _SERIOUS_? Why would I feel guilty about using an operating system that can do everything that linux can, and MORE. Sorry that you've had problems with your hardware, but that's why there's Apple Care.

My uncle's ashamed (2, Funny)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115671)

A couple years back my uncle wore some lousy Apple t-shirt when he was fixing his car. He got more sh*t from random people than yankees fan in boston.

Ever since then my uncle gets extremely embarrassed when he mentions he's a mac user. He just doesn't know what to expect next.

iKnow iDon't (4, Funny)

metrazol (142037) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115675)

Why would iFeel guilty about using OSX? I'm a new PowerBook owner and iFeel having a nice UNIX/BSD/Whatever core under my iHood is a feature. Linux is, as many have stated, not ready for mass desktop usage (though iDisagree, with the latest KDE builds...) so running OSX gives me a system my iFriends, my iMother, my iCoworkers, etc. are more comfortable using while it is secure, powerful, and pretty. That review of BSD yesterday said just that, "Greater server, but the desktop is lacking." OSX gives us Aqua, which solves the desktop problem.

Now, some people will say that using OSX and Apple hardware brainwashes people into supporting Apple blindly. That is not the case. iLove Apple. They have never done anything that iDislike and iHave never noticed any kind of subliminal messages. iLove Apple. iPlan to upgrade and iPlan to stick with this company. iCal tells me to...

If Linux actually RAN on a Mac!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115688)

I want Linux on my G4, but until a distro REALLY supports all of the iBook hardware (airport extreme, built in bluetooth, ati radeon) there ain't nothin' to feel guilty about.

I feel more guilty using Windows (0, Redundant)

YllabianBitPipe (647462) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115698)

I feel more guilty using Windows.

No... (4, Insightful)

meme_police (645420) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115700)

...why would I feel guilty. I can do almost anything I can do with Linux with the additional benefit of apps like iTunes. I've never had a problem using closed source software, I just have a problem with crappy closed source software.

Vender lock in (4, Interesting)

onyxruby (118189) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115702)

Why is vender lock in for Apple ok when it's considered bad for anyone else?

I feel guilt. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115707)

Sometimes, when my wife has gone to bed, I stay up late at night with OS X. And when I'm certain everyone in the house is asleep, I go in the office, lock the door, and ... well... I do things. I really put OS X through all the paces.

Sometimes I take extra long showers and my wife bangs on the door telling me to hurry up, but really I'm just in the bathroom with OS X. It's not easy to resist it. Sometimes the urges just overwhelm me.

Once, I with OS X in my car and parked in this little out of the way park. I figured it'd just take a minute and I need some relief, and just as I was starting to use OS X some cops pulled up...

Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115709)

I feel lucky not to use a mac when I see the following:

Hope QA gets on their feet quickly... After the white-ish-spotted PBs...

http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=200 4- 01-27

- Burn baby burn... [2 x updated] - Lionel - 05:58:15
One of our sources, who works for an Apple dealer, experienced what we'll -for now- call a coincidence...
On the same day, three customers brought back their G5 dual, strongly smelling of burned plastic. It seems that, in each case, one of the two processors simply died.
We'll try to get our hands on the machines' serial numbers.

[translation by moose and eric]

[update]
another Mac reseller, not located in France but from another European country, is also reporting to us a recent "burned" PM G5 Dual. In this case , it was necessary to replace most of the computer (PSU, Processors, motherboard,...). The serial number was YM345xxxxxx, corresponding to a PM G5 built between November 3rd and 7th, 2003, and delivered few days later.
Stay tune we will update as soon as we get additional info
[update 2]
hereafter are the serial number of PM G5 which were affected by this "burning phenomenon"
CK347xxxxxx
CK341xxxxxx
CK344xxxxxx
So far it is affecting only PM G5 Dual. The last 3 serial numbers were assembled in Cork Apple Plant (CK, Ireland). It also reports that affected models were over weeks 41 to 47 2003.
But be careful, we need more similar reports before concluding that it is statistically significant and that there is a real manufacturing problem with the PM G5

and
http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?dat e=2004- 01-28

- Keep burning Baby, keep burning... - Lionel - 08:58:24
Since yesterday, we have had another identical case of burnt G5. This time, it burnt twice: First time 12 hours afer being operational, the second 24 after theirst repair.

Its serial nr. is: YM344XXXXXX

The point seems to be around the week 45 !
Bu don't panic if you bought a computer build in Nov. 2003. We're quite far away from the defective series.

[translation by error404]

You gotta be a total loser... (2, Funny)

binary paladin (684759) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115712)

I've used a number of operating systems over the years and while Linux is where I spend more of my time anymore I can't see any reason to feel guilty over using something else if it did the job better and that includes keeping me entertained, which Linux does better than anything else. Who needs games when I've got prism54 drivers to get working?

Seriously though, if you feel guilt for the OS of your choice on top of already being a fucking nerd, you're a fucking loser and you need to never, ever touch a computer again. I haven't even read the article but just the thought of guilt setting in over this shit...? Please, email me your address so I can take a 2x4 to all your hardware and then to you.

Modding (0, Offtopic)

otter42 (190544) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115713)

10 minutes out and the server's already melted down. How am I supposed to mod comments? Before reading the article?

Slashdot editors should make a special mirror for people with mod points. They ought to be good for something.

Well, I guess I'm just going to mod up the funny comments.

This guy just had bad luck with hardware. (2, Insightful)

morelife (213920) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115728)

So, if you have important "work to do" why would you not have a hot backup machine ready and waiting at all times? For years I've set myself up so any one of my machines could get hit by a sledge hammer and I'd be back up and running within the time it took me to get to my other system and restore some files off a CD. Doesn't everyone do something similar?

I've heard no hardware crap out stories so far about Apple, but what they DO need to make their offering rock solid is on-site support contracts like Dell has - where a person comes to you, bearing a replacement part. I've used this three times in two years, it's been great.

On the other side of the story, comitting to OSX (or any Apple product, or Microsoft product) is comitting to Vendor Lock In.

So stop your whining about "guilt" you little troll boy and use OSS and an more open hardware platform, and then contribute something to the community other than these stupid articles.

Call it a canard, but... (2, Flamebait)

Bingo Foo (179380) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115732)

have you ever felt guilty over using Mac OS X instead of Linux?

Not since realizing that you get what you pay for.

"it's not that Mac OS X isn't F/OSS" (1)

Slapdash X. Hashbang (315401) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115745)

Yes it is that Mac OS X isn't F/OSS.

Mac OS X is not Free/open source software. Its kernel is; or at least, the basis of its kernel. Perhaps some other parts, too.

Guilty??? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115746)

"...have you ever felt guilty over using Mac OS X instead of Linux?"

What kind of pansey-a$$, bedwetting, bullsh*t is this? We're talking about a freaking OS here, "pudge", not some kind of freak'n moral dilemma. Why is this crap on the front page of /.? Whoever allowed pudgey to decide what makes the front page is who should feel "guilty".

guilty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#8115751)

Have you ever felt guilty ?

What kind of question is that. It's like asking if you felt guilty over choosing between Ranch or Buttermilk Ranch dressing on your salad

Not at all (1)

RobPiano (471698) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115766)


I want two kinds of computer's in my life:

1) I know everything about it. I'm responsible for other users on the machine. I can fix the code if there is a problem, and I can go in and swap out one broken part for another because I know exactly which part I used before.

2) I am using this computer mostly to check my mail, give presentations, listen to music, watch a movie etc. I want to pay someone else to take care of security updates and notify me when I might want something else. I don't want to pay a ton of money, but I'm willing to pay a subscription or a fee to take care of some details.

My powerbook is computer 2. My server is computer 1. I use open software for all my applications still, but for important things like security updates or device drivers on my personal computer: I like having them take care of it.

Now let me say, I don't think Apple has got it "perfect" yet. I do think, however, of my options OSX is the best. I can't use windows because it runs my favorite open apps poorly, and I don't feel like I get much value for my money.

What is the point of Mac OS X? (0)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 10 years ago | (#8115770)

I have been running Unix on my Mac before Mac OS X existed!.
Using NetBSD and Linux. I Also have runned the [ugly propietary shit] A/UX, which wasn't that bad

So, it has a nice guy?, It's just a kind of microkernel made up of stolen code!, a piece of BSD, a piece of Mach, a piece of rotten code from some Mac enginer, I don't see anything new ...

Let's face it: Mac has the BEST hardware ever, really, it have allways had and allways will be the better hard you can get (ok, there are some broken Powerbooks out there, but it was Motorola's fault); but Mac Software Sucks. Mac OS X is nice, but it's not Mac Software, it's just software stolen by Apple.
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