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Rumors of iPod mini, 100 Million Songs, Xserve G5 All True

pudge posted about 11 years ago | from the but-i-predicted-the-iphoto-update-so-there dept.

Media (Apple) 1318

Steve Jobs announced the oft-rumored iPod mini today in the keynote address at Macworld Expo in San Francisco, a $250 MP3 player with a 4GB hard drive that comes in several colors. Jobs also introduced the Xserve G5 and updates to Xserve RAID, and announced updates to several media applications, and introduced Garage Band, a music-making program and part of iLife. Also previously rumored, and true, is that Pepsi will be giving away 100 million iTunes Music Store songs.The iPod mini, compared to other similar MP3 players Jobs described, is about half the thickness (half an inch), holds a lot more (most hold 256MB), and costs about $50 more. Jobs noted that most similar MP3 players require additional memory at additional cost, so if you go that route, you may as well just get the iPod mini.

The mini is anodized aluminum and comes in silver, gold, blue, green, and pink. Accessories include a dock and armband. It can be connected to the computer via FireWire 400 or USB 2.0.

Jobs also announced some changes to the existing iPod line, including a bump from 10GB to 15GB for the $300 version, and new in-ear headphones for $40.

The Xserve G5 is, like the previous Xserve, a 1U server. It can hold up to 8GB of ECC DDR 400 memory, and up to 750GB of storage. It includes an unlimited client license for Mac OS X Server 10.3, and comes in three configurations: 2GHz for $3,000, dual 2GHz for $4,000, and cluster node dual 2GHz for $3,000.

The Xserve RAID got a bump, too. The 3U RAID has a 500GB increase in capacity to 3.5TB for $11,000; 1.75TB for $7,500; and 1TB for $6,000. And, it is now certified for use with some versions of Windows and Linux.

Jobs, with the help of recording artist John Mayer, introduced the newest member of the iLife media application family: Garage Band. It is a music instrument and recording tool, that can mix up to 64 tracks, comes with 50 software instruments, over 1,000 professional loops, and 200 effects. It can record live instruments and take input from a USB or MIDI controller. It simulates various modern and vintage amps for guitar playback.

The optional $99 Jam Pack adds 100 more instruments, 2,000 more loops, 15 more amps, and more effects.

iPhoto, the most maligned of the iLife apps for its performance problems, received a much-needed update. It can now handle up to 25,000 photos (instead of mere hundreds), and adds automatic and smart albums (similar to iTunes), ratings of photos, and sharing via Rendezvous. Like iTunes, you apparently can't modify descriptions and titles through sharing, but unlike iTunes, there are no copyright restrictions.

iDVD and iMovie also got updates: better control, new and improved effects, and more. iMovie has exporting directly to your iDisk for use on your home page and importing directly from an iSight camera, and iDVD adds a navigation map and archiving projects for burning on another computer. iDVD also gets higher-quality Pro encoding, with 2 hours per DVD.

iLife, for $49, and the Jam Pack are available starting January 16. There was no indication that any new components of iLife will be available for free download, but iLife will be included with all new Macs.

Final Cut Express was bumped to version 2, and is basically updated to include the features from Final Cut Pro 4. Upgrades are $99.

Microsoft announced Office 2004, an upgrade to Office X. People who purchase Office X now until the spring, when 2004 is released, will be eligible for a free upgrade.

Pepsi's iTunes Music Store giveaway will begin on February 1. Yellow caps noting the 100 million song giveaway will have a 1 in 3 chance of winning.

Jobs also noted that iTunes Music Store has 70% of the market share for online music purchasing; that 50,000 audio books were sold for the quarter; that 500,000 songs are now online, making the store the largest online; and that one person has spent $29,500 on iTunes Music Store. Yes, $29,500.

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Mixed response (5, Interesting)

PurdueGraphicsMan (722107) | about 11 years ago | (#7894598)

I watched the keynote and I have to say I was very impressed overall.

As a digital music creator (who up until now has used a Windows-based PC and Acid Pro) I cannot tell you how excited I was by the demo John Mayer and Steve Jobs gave of GarageBand. From the looks of it (and I know that looks can be deceiving) you can record instruments straight into the computer without a digital interface... and it sounds amazing...I've tried this in the past (recording through the audio-in port) on my PC and have never gotten good results.

I can't wait to get the new version of iLife.

However, I was a little dissapointed by the price of the new iPod mini. At $250 (just $50 less than the (now) 15Gb iPod) I can't really see how it's worth it. I'll just pay another $50 and get an iPod that can hold my entire music library. Not sure what they were thinking with that price.

Though I'm not effected that much by the Xserve G5 or the Xserve Raid for that matter, I was still impressed by their cross-OS compatability.

Re:Mixed response (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894614)

iPod rumors. What is it all about... is it good, or is it whack?

Re:Mixed response (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894639)

Damn, I had this great Frost Pist that I was gonna troll, advertising the new Apple iTroll that was introduced this morning. Congradulations... you ruined it for everyone, insensitive clod!

Man, I gotta lay off the cough syrup.

Re:Mixed response (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894657)

I can't wait to get the new version of iLife.

I think what you need to get is called aLife.

Re:Mixed response (5, Insightful)

temporalillusion (688393) | about 11 years ago | (#7894666)

I agree, $250 for the new iPod is too much, considering a new 15GB Dell DJ is the same price, and has a much longer battery life. Of course size and sexiness of the iPod mini come into play, but it doesn't seem like a good value.

Re:Mixed response (3, Insightful)

Mancide (30030) | about 11 years ago | (#7894805)

But the Dell DJ sucks from usability. Blender reviewed all of the current iPod killers (before the mini iPod) and said while some where cheaper (the dell), none of them could compete with the style, user interface, and ease of use of the iPod.

Also, the iPod is the only player that works with audiobooks.

Re:Mixed response (3, Funny)

mblase (200735) | about 11 years ago | (#7894691)

However, I was a little dissapointed by the price of the new iPod mini. At $250 (just $50 less than the (now) 15Gb iPod) I can't really see how it's worth it. I'll just pay another $50 and get an iPod that can hold my entire music library. Not sure what they were thinking with that price.

But it has a shiny aluminium case! In colors!

Re:Mixed response (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894714)

Agree 100%. I would have been the first in line for a $100 iPod but I see no reason to spend $250 for a mini when the $300 iPod has a 15 gig drive. Everything else that was announced was cool, but the mini left me unimpressed.

GarageBand (5, Insightful)

dachshund (300733) | about 11 years ago | (#7894757)

As a digital music creator (who up until now has used a Windows-based PC and Acid Pro) I cannot tell you how excited I was by the demo John Mayer and Steve Jobs gave of GarageBand. From the looks of it (and I know that looks can be deceiving) you can record instruments straight into the computer without a digital interface... and it sounds amazing...I've tried this in the past (recording through the audio-in port) on my PC and have never gotten good results.

I'm not sure what the difference is going to be here. If your computer has a bad A/D converter and electronics (and most do, really), then no piece of software is going to make this better. If Macs have sufficiently high quality A/D conversion for this purpose, then you should be able to use any recording software, and I believe there's plenty of it.

Re:Mixed response (1, Insightful)

mfender9 (725994) | about 11 years ago | (#7894816)

For me, the problem with the mini iPod is that (as Jobs stated) they're going after the flash market. But they're doing it with a hard-drive player.

For people who are concerned about using the iPod in a high impact environment, this doesn't bring anything new. Personally, I think if they'd introduced an even smaller form-factor mini iPod with a 1GB flash card for about $150, they would have flown, and still be aimed at the high end of the market.

Re:Mixed response (3, Interesting)

CyberHippyRedux (687568) | about 11 years ago | (#7894832)

As a digital music creator, I really want to know

1. If GarageBand will be able to import my existing projects (DigitalPerformer4.11)

2. If it will work with my existing hardware (MOTU 828 & 2408)

3. What bit-rate & sampling frequencies are available (I work at 24/44.1)

I haven't found the answer to any of these questions at apple.com.

However, it's probably too much to expect from a consumer-level audio recording software item, expecially at $49...

Re:Mixed response (1)

mikedaisey (413058) | about 11 years ago | (#7894837)

"However, I was a little dissapointed by the price of the new iPod mini. At $250 (just $50 less than the (now) 15Gb iPod) I can't really see how it's worth it. I'll just pay another $50 and get an iPod that can hold my entire music library. Not sure what they were thinking with that price."

They were thinking that people pay a premium for miniaturization--is this news to anyone who has even seen a laptop?

It may be overpriced to some, but so were the iPods when they came out, and look how they sell.

Only good stuff here. (3, Interesting)

zeux (129034) | about 11 years ago | (#7894599)

The XServe G5 will allow to build supercomputers using far more space and will be obviously one of the best solutions around for webservers.

The iPod is more expensive than what the rumors said but it also has bigger hard drive (4Go/249$ vs 2Go/100$). I think that makes it the best deal by far in its category.

Then this 'Pepsi' thing... Looks like I'm gonna drink Pepsi instead of Coke soon. And I mean a lot of Pepsi. Definitely a good idea for Pepsi.

2004 will definitely be Apple's year and I think that's good news because it will bring some change in the IT world.

Happy new year and no, I'm not a Mac zealot.

monkeys (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894604)


YOU ALL SUCK (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894611)

Fuck this.

Love, akedia

250?!? (3, Insightful)

jayratch (568850) | about 11 years ago | (#7894613)

Oh well, I guess I'll be content with the $299 15 gig model.

At $249 I will not be buying one. This confirms the upsell goal- who would buy 1/4 the capacity of a regular ipod for only $50 less?

Re:250?!? (2, Insightful)

zeux (129034) | about 11 years ago | (#7894659)

Think about the size of it. No comparison with the other iPod.

Ddepends on what you need.

Re:250?!? (1)

Jadecristal (135389) | about 11 years ago | (#7894712)

I'll go even further, since I *just* purchased a 40 GB iPod, *knowing* that there were rumors of small iPods.

WHY, in any world, would it be smart to pay half the price ($249 instead of $499) for ONE TENTH of the space? Granted, you can say that it's a lot more money, but if you have the money to justify spending $249 for a music player, you can probably justify spending $499 for a music player with ten times the space.

A friend just sent me an email, asking if I "felt good now," along with a link to the new iPods. Yes, I feel fine. And I'll keep my shiny pretty new iPod, preciousssss...

Re:250?!? (4, Insightful)

zaren (204877) | about 11 years ago | (#7894821)

who would buy 1/4 the capacity of a regular ipod for only $50 less?

The person that was going to buy that 256 meg Rio doodad for $199, perhaps...

Not a very great day from Jobs.. (-1, Insightful)

phunhippy (86447) | about 11 years ago | (#7894615)

what crock of crap... only a 4gb model for 249 and a new 15gb for 299... Why would I not spend 50 dollars more for 3 times the storage space?!?! So much for the rumors of a 2gb ipod in the 99-149 range.. Now that I would have probably bought as I don't listen to THAT much music. But come on apple.. 50 dollar difference between the 15gb and 4gb models? I know the mini's are smaller.. but NOT THAT MUCH!!
The garageband software looks like it would be fun to play around with... Kind of a shame there's no 20th aniversary mac like there was for the 10th aniversary(limited edition).

oh well.. theres always more SCO news till hold me over till Job's next special event :)

And pepsi giving away 100 million songs? Wow is that a penalty for having a MP3 server at the corporate offices that the RIAA found? :)

Re:Not a very great day from Jobs.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894699)

"Why would I not spend 50 dollars more for 3 times the storage space?!?!"

Well, I bet Apple would like you spend more on their products. :)

Re:Not a very great day from Jobs.. (5, Funny)

Matey-O (518004) | about 11 years ago | (#7894703)

what crock of crap... only a 4gb model for 249 and a new 15gb for 299... Why would I not spend 50 dollars more for 3 times the storage space?!?!
Ah my young padawan, you're not thinking deeep enough. Instead of an additional $50 giving YOU 3 times the storage space, Jobs thinks 'Here's $300 _I'M_ receiving that you didn't intend to spend yesterday.'

Re:Not a very great day from Jobs.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894780)

what crock of crap... only a 4gb model for 249 and a new 15gb for 299... Why would I not spend 50 dollars more for 3 times the storage space?!?! So much for the rumors of a 2gb ipod in the 99-149 range.. Now that I would have probably bought as I don't listen to THAT much music. But come on apple.. 50 dollar difference between the 15gb and 4gb models? I know the mini's are smaller.. but NOT THAT MUCH!!

Remember that Apple = Design. The new iPod is smaller in every dimension, about 40% lighter, and "comes in a variety of fashion colors". According to the Apple mindset, it's a "better" design, and yet costs less, so of course something had to give (in this case, storage space).

Re:Not a very great day from Jobs.. (1)

mellon (7048) | about 11 years ago | (#7894794)

It's smaller. That's all. If you're docking it a lot anyway, you won't care as much about the disk space as about the smallness. Different strokes for different folks.

Too much (2, Insightful)

jeeeeem (592106) | about 11 years ago | (#7894617)

I find the minipod price disappointing, after the rumors of $100-$200. I have several friends and relatives very unlikely to pay $250, who could have easily gone for a $125 minipod. Maybe we'll see less expensive 2 gig versions in a few months.

thoughts 'n' stuff (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894619)


New mini-iPod is exactly like I thought it would be .. except for the price. I thought $100 was too low, so I was thinking $150-$200. $250 is just borderline too expensive (I.e., I'm not going to get one right away, my budget can't justify it.

Xserve G5 - WOW!!! ECC RAM! That crosses one more thing off the "reasons not to get an Xserve list".. a very short list now. I know what my next client recommendation is going to be: Dell. No just KIDDING! XSERVE !!! Hell I might get one for home use. People are going to think "G5" = "Supercomputer".

Garage Band - This is cool. I can just hear folks saying it now: "oh now, now we're going to be flooded with crap written in Garage Band and people will think it's 'music'".. well, 95% of everything is crap anyway. This is going to be lots of fun. The iTunes integration is cool.. I'll be getting a copy for sure (I have Reason and this looks like a consumer/guitars version). Also I can't wait to see what the "real" experimental electronic musicians do when they get their hands on it and start deconstructing the fuck out of it!

"Giving away" data that costs nearly nothing to distribute! Gotta love it!

All in all, a bunch of great announcements. Thanks Apple, for making interesting products.

Xgrid (4, Interesting)

Councilor Hart (673770) | about 11 years ago | (#7894779)

Don't forget xgrid. A beta has been announced at apple [apple.com]
Build you own supercluster at home...
At the moment, though I wish I had a supercluster of money presses.

Ipod Minis priced poorly (2, Insightful)

dlevitan (132062) | about 11 years ago | (#7894622)

Personally, I'm really dissapointed with the mini ipod. The only thing that's selling it right now is its size (and the colors, I guess). I was ready to buy a $150 ipod that had 2GB of storage. But $250 is too much for me. If I'm planning to spend $250, I'd rather spend $300 and buy a full 15 GB ipod. It's only $50 more, and you get almost 4 times the storage. I don't think apple will get many new customers with this, and i hope they introduce a $150 model very soon, because that would be a hit, while I doubt this one will be very successful.

Re:Ipod Minis priced poorly (2, Insightful)

Chief Typist (110285) | about 11 years ago | (#7894767)

Initially I thought the price was too high, too.

But then I realized that they'll probably sell a lot of them at the $250 price point just because of size & color. Runners & fashion junkies will be all over them.

And they can move "down market" with the product. I don't see Apple increasing the size of the hard drives in this product too much -- if they do it starts to bump into the capacities of the existing iPod product line.

Rather, I see the price dropping with each successive update cycle. If they start out with a low price, there's no place to go in 9 months.


Thats odd (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894623)

it came in red instead of bathing me in the usual green.

okay seriously (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894624)

the red tie or the blue one?

Classic ad updated, too! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894630)

They updated the classic 1984 commercial for it's 20th anniversary. The girl is now wearing iPod... :)

http://www.apple.com/hardware/ads/1984/1984_480.ht ml

And that makes me wonder what new stuff Apple will introduce on January 24th...

Re:Classic ad updated, too! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894777)

Dude, bad link.

No Space in GarageBand (5, Funny)

lamz (60321) | about 11 years ago | (#7894635)

Note that it's not "Garage Band" but "GarageBand". (Straight from Apple's InterCapitalizationNounFactory.)

Re:No Space in GarageBand (1)

Chief Typist (110285) | about 11 years ago | (#7894686)

You can trademark it if there's no space in the name.

Dissapointed, not by Apple, but by rumorsites (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894638)

I am dissapointed. Why? $249 for a MP3 player? No fucking way! I was really hoping for a cool and good gadget for $99. Alas, I got my hopes up to high and let me sweep away by all the rumors.

"all true" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894640)

"all true".. yet again rumours of Apple product smoke other companies' announced vapourware.

$250 (0)

Box Checker (710832) | about 11 years ago | (#7894644)

this is their attempt at grabbing the lower priced crowd? i doubt it will work, but i could be wrong.

iPhoto has photo sharing (4, Funny)

CptChipJew (301983) | about 11 years ago | (#7894645)

Don't Steal Photos.

$100 mini iPod? (0)

Seth Finklestein (582901) | about 11 years ago | (#7894649)

I disagree that the "Rumo[u]rs of iPod mini [are] ... All True." The rumours, if I understood correctly, stated that the iPod mini would cost UKP 65 or USD 115. Instead, we get a product that is USD 249, just USD 50 less than the 15GB iPod.

Let's see. You can get four gigabytes of storage for USD 249, or 15 gigabytes for USD 299. To fool Joe Sixpack into buying this moronic "mini" product, they made it in different colours. I'm not fooled. I'm staying away.

Seth Finklestein
Gadget Know-it-all

Re:$100 mini iPod? (2, Interesting)

CptChipJew (301983) | about 11 years ago | (#7894706)

Not to mention, the iPod mini is $20 cheaper, while the regular iPod is $30 cheaper if you are a student, lowering the small difference by another $10 (229/269)

Re:$100 mini iPod? (0)

Seth Finklestein (582901) | about 11 years ago | (#7894830)

Good. Now all you need is to lower it to USD 115, so that the article I read would become true.

Go ahead, I'm waiting.

Seth Finklestein
Impatient Troll

Don't be suckered by the trendyness (4, Informative)

Neophytus (642863) | about 11 years ago | (#7894652)

The mini (4GB) version is $249 [apple.com] , that is $62 per GB. On the other hand the 15GB 'big brother' iPod is $299 [apple.com] , a mere $20 per GB. That makes the final 11 GB on the 15GB model a bargain at only $50: less than the cost of ONE iPMini GB.

Of course, Apple uses what is pretty much a 1/.8 rather than a 1/0.55 exchange rate for the UK market, so I'm scammed either way ;)

Also, has anyone got a URL for a video of the full keynote like the one for where he announced the G5s?

Re:Don't be suckered by the trendyness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894752)

Screw that, just get a frickin xServe Raid. $3 a Gig. Now that is a deal man!

ipods to expensive (1)

Chuck_Darwin (712099) | about 11 years ago | (#7894653)

I was really hoping for the ipods to reach the impulse buy catagory. Sub $100. That would open it up to all.

The Pepsi giveaway wasn't a rumor, (4, Informative)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | about 11 years ago | (#7894654)

Steve himself announced it was going to happen when iTunes Music Store was originally rolled out.

Mini still not for me... (1)

olrik666 (574545) | about 11 years ago | (#7894656)

OK, the Mini is small, but :
15 GB iPod = 299 $ USD
4 GB iPod Mini = 249 $ USD

"You do the math..."

Re:Mini still not for me... (0, Troll)

Acidic_Diarrhea (641390) | about 11 years ago | (#7894698)

You forgot to factor in the +5 Stylish Design and -10 Battery Drain Problems!

For one thing (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 11 years ago | (#7894753)

the iPod mini is small, so your paying not to have to lug that huge iPod around. I mean that thing must have weighd a Ton*.

by "Ton", I mean a couple of ounces.

Best keynote ever! (0, Offtopic)

mfender9 (725994) | about 11 years ago | (#7894662)

Never before has my credit card stayed firmly in my wallet at the end of a Jobs keynote. There wasn't a single thing I was interested in - it saved me thousands!

Good, but dragged out (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894663)

I thought the new offerings were a bit slim but still good. What I didn't care for (and not a big deal btw) was the length of that fricken keynote. It could've been chopped by at least thirty minutes....instead we had to savor a few of the iLife apps just to drive the point home.

Are they kidding? (-1, Redundant)

geekoid (135745) | about 11 years ago | (#7894670)

Who is going to by a 4GB iPod mp3 player for 249, when they can get a 15G iPod for 299?

100 bucks for 1 gig, I can see, but this pricing is interesting.

I wonder of there is some wierd price braek thing going on?

I'd love to be able to talk to the people that decided on this price, I am genuinley curious as to the reason.

$250!!!!!!!! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894671)

The price is way over what was rumoured, at this price point it makes no sense, typical apple overpricing.

OFF TOPIC - First color images from Spirit arrive (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894673)

SORRY THIS IS OFF TOPIC -- waiting for Slashdot to accept my submission.

Please mod this down as -1 Offtopic

BBC News is reporting [bbc.co.uk] that Spirit has sent back the first color images taken from the surface of Mars. You can get all the images [nasa.gov] from the NASA web site.

Still a ways to go. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894675)

[I]one person has spent $29,500 on iTunes Music Store. Yes, $29,500.[/I]

$10,500 more and he'll fill up his 40GB iPod.

Let me be the first to call it... (1, Funny)

sulli (195030) | about 11 years ago | (#7894676)


Not because the app is crap - it's probably fine - but because of all the rock & roll clip-art that will begin to seep out onto the airwaves and P2P networks of the modern world.

Think "Mr. Tambourine Man" by Shatner is bad? Just wait for the version by pudge!

Re:Let me be the first to call it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894812)

How lame, this guy wants to get modded +5 Funny.

Dude, you are NOT funny.

Mod parent down, please.

$250?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894678)

$250 for the mini-ipod?!? Ugh... still too damn expensive!! You can get a really nice CDRW that plays MP3s and has a really low profile and long batterly life for $60. Not cheap enough yet Stevarino!

Really great news (1)

irokitt (663593) | about 11 years ago | (#7894679)

The truly great thing is that DVD Jon (who is a free man) has recently produced a way to run iTunes on a Linux platform. If I only had money for an iPod...

I just might have to get me an Xserve (1)

jrexilius (520067) | about 11 years ago | (#7894680)

It looks far more interesting than the Opteron servers I have been looking at. That with yellow dog linux and away we go..

Basic consumer electronics economics (1)

Fnkmaster (89084) | about 11 years ago | (#7894681)

Sorry Apple fans. I guess basic economics is at work against you here. Apple didn't want to release a low margin MP3 player after all - they prefer the high margin, sexy cool segment of the market as many have already noted.

In retrospect, all the people saying they thought the mini iPod would be priced at 99 dollars are pretty laughable. Given that the material cost alone is probably close to 80 dollars (assuming 60 dollars for the hard drive in bulk),
it would be possible to sell it for 150 dollars retail, and make no money. Apple is just not in that business and doesn't want to be there.

However, no need to fear. My guess is that somebody else with come out with a less sexy micro-harddrive based player at the 150 dollar price point within the next 6-8 months. It just won't be Apple.

Apple Playing Catch Up (5, Informative)

lotsofno (733224) | about 11 years ago | (#7894684)

It seems as if the new mini-ipod is playing catch up with the already-announced Rio Nitrus [yahoo.com] . It's equally priced, stores 4 GB as well, is the same size if not smaller, is actually lighter, has double the battery time, and is expected to ship this month, instead of february, like the mini pod. Although you could cop out with the "stylish design" argument before, the shots of the new minipods, even with all the new colors... well, they look like butt. The nitrus, from what I've seen of it's current 1.5 gig version, is pretty quick to pickup with it's ease of use, as well. The only real advantages i see the minipods having is the firewire and mac compatibility....

Apple's motto for the new iPod (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894690)

Half as good at 7/8ths the price!

iPod Mini song capacity (1, Interesting)

5 Second Rule (670510) | about 11 years ago | (#7894693)

Are we all supposed to pretend not to notice the blatant spin Apple is putting on here?

2 years ago when the 5 gig iPod was released, it was advertised to hold 1000 songs (and those of us who like our music encoded higher than 128kbs and/or listen to prog rock were skeptical).

Now, the 4 gig iPod Mini has a 4 gig hard drive and it holds 1000 songs? It only holds 800 of those 5 meg songs we had on our 5 gig iPod 2 years ago!

Not exactly what we expected (3, Insightful)

Myrmi (730278) | about 11 years ago | (#7894694)

While the iPod mini rumours didn't come true as we expected, it was still a great keynote. Like many other people, iLife looks great (although I could have done without the corny advert that they showed). I don't see the iPod mini being a runaway success, however - for another $50, you can get the (new) 15 GB version; 20% more money spent for nearly 300% more space. I was expecting to really want one of the iPod minis, but now I'm really tempted by the entry level 'proper' iPod. It is smaller, which is nice, although the existing one was plenty small enough. Still, a nice keynote; slighly annoyed that the 'One more thing' was about the iPod mini colours, though.

Wow (4, Informative)

blackmonday (607916) | about 11 years ago | (#7894702)

I would have never imagined that they would include an application as great as GarageBand and kept the price of iLife at $50. GarageBand is gonna compete with products like Guitar Port [guitarport.com] , so you get amplifier simulations for a tiny price. They sounded great too. I just can't believe this, it's gotta be a strategy to sell more Macs because the technology behind GarageBand (and its $99 add-on) is NOT cheap. If it were a demo for a high-end application I would have been just as floored. How much is a G5 again?

mini iPod shoots self in foot (0, Redundant)

jpmahala (181937) | about 11 years ago | (#7894705)

$250 is a far cry from the $100 rumors.

iPod Mini too expensive... (0, Redundant)

CyberHippyRedux (687568) | about 11 years ago | (#7894708)

Damn it all, $249 is too close to the 15G iPod at $299. They need to come in at a lower price point to truly dominate the market. Don't get me wrong - I'm glad they're on this path (lighter/less expensive) but I don't think this will make the same impact that $199 or $149 would have.

Mac n' cheese, Apple sauce more flavorful (1)

amichalo (132545) | about 11 years ago | (#7894711)

Usually I can barely eat my annual lunch as I watch Job's Keynote, but this year's keynote was so bad, scraping the cheese off the side of the bowl was more captivating.

DISCLAIMER: I am a switcher and huge Apple proponent in business and in my personal life.

That said, this Keynote was terrible.

WAY too much time spent focusing on iLife - which has some nice improvements but give it 20 minutes and move on. My lunch was more flavorful than the hour and a half of garage band and Office 2004. We get it - make your own music - cool. I buy music, I don't make it. Move on. MOVE ON!!!

I am baffled why they bumped the 10 GB to 15 GB at the same price. They would have preserved more of the differentiation of the product line and made the now infamous $50 void less enticing (only 150% more capacity instead of 11 GB more) and preserved the $100 gap between the now low end 15 GB and the 20 GB (that comes with a dock and case too).

The best news was in the server market. The G5 in 1U and the omni-OS RAID for $3 per GB and the latest networking capabilities has me taking a second look.

I can't wait for PC World Expo on February 30th.

Take a look for yourself! (5, Insightful)

MurrayTodd (92102) | about 11 years ago | (#7894713)

I am amazed by the Apple keynotes that Steve Jobs give (and Apple streams from their site) twice a year.

There are two things that amaze me: First, that Apple can consistently release cool things that can keep its user base excited. Second, that Jobs can actually make an interesting two hour show out of it.

For those of you who have never seen the magic of a Steve Jobs Keynote, go to the Apple site under the Quicktime section and view the keynote [akadns.net] . It's two hours long, but I'm wiling that if you don't find it at least "really cool" to watch, you'll agree it's better than the average dreck we sit down and watch on the telley each night. This keynote is a good example because it takes a large number of moderate announcements (unlike the unveiling of the iMac, the G5, the major OS upgrades, etc.) but STILL makes you excited enough to want to go out and play with these things.

It also gives me an appreciation of how many market segments Apple is entrenching itself in. You can really see the "digital hub" strategy at work, as well as the fact that income revenue is coming from hardware (iPods) music downloads (iTunes) Internet subscription services (dot-Mac) and others. Go check out the keynote for yourself. I think it'll give you a much different perspective in what and where Apple is in this decade.

And thank goodness SOMEONE is working to keep the computer field new and exciting!

Only the beginning (2, Interesting)

BondGamer (724662) | about 11 years ago | (#7894715)

Apple said it would be unveiling stuff all year long. Normally there is only 2-3 times per year. I wouldn't be surprised if they used the Boston Expo this summer to unviel the 20th aniversary edition of the Mac. This Keynote was good but I have to agree with other people about being disappointed over the Mini-Ipod. If they were $199 then that would be good but I don't think they are going to be the hit Apple expects.

iLife "pay" transition complete (4, Insightful)

weave (48069) | about 11 years ago | (#7894716)

iLife apps were free until last year when iLife debuted and bundled everything together and charged $49. The excuse was the royalty licensing in iDVD or something. But you could still download iPhoto and iMovie updates for free.

Now it looks like you have to buy iLife to get the updates.

I actually don't think it's a bad thing. It's a good deal, at a price around what a typical game costs. And if a fair price pushes them to continue to make improvements, I'm all for it.

for $50 more... (0, Redundant)

sonarniche (514350) | about 11 years ago | (#7894719)

i dont really see why you would get the mini when for $50 more you get 11 more gigs of storage. ok the small form factor is cool and 4 gigs is plenty of music for a lot of people, but the price point doesnt seem quite right.

i guess itll drop $50 or $75 tho as the initial interest wears off, which would put it at a more interesting price point.

But does it play Ogg Vorbis? (0, Troll)

strredwolf (532) | about 11 years ago | (#7894723)

I don't want to rerip all my CD's to MP3's. I'm doing that to Ogg Vorbis right now!!!

Re:But does it play Ogg Vorbis? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894829)

>I don't want to rerip all my CD's to MP3's. I'm doing that to Ogg Vorbis right now!!!

Ogg Vorbis? MP3?!? Dude, you should be ripping to AAC instead (the topic *IS* iPod, isn't it?)

disappointed with the mini (1)

YllabianBitPipe (647462) | about 11 years ago | (#7894724)

At 249 I can't afford the iPod Mini, also because now iLife is not free and costs $50 bucks, which I have to have because it's more useful. So, forget the iPod, I would have bought one had it been 150 or maybe even 199 but sorry, it's too expensive!

Overal impressive but dropped the ball on the pod (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | about 11 years ago | (#7894727)

I was very impressed at both the 3999 duel gherz xServe and better yet a 2999 xServe node running duel 2gherz !!!! but the iPod depressed me, I know they could have put it out for cheaper but didnt and I fear it might be the Cube debacle all over again... The cube wasa great machine, just over priced... same with the miniPod. now granted my girlfriend didnt even complain and im'd me "YAY 75 more dollars for a blue iPod!!!!" so maybe Im missing something that Apple didnt, but I owuld have been feeling better with it at 170 than 240.

Huh... (1)

MattHaffner (101554) | about 11 years ago | (#7894728)

With this pricing, one wonders if iPod mini is going to drive iPod sales just like iTunes. I don't quite get it. If it were non-hard drive, maybe, but the slim factor just isn't enough to justify that small price differential.

GarageBand was the real highlight, IMHO. Very, very slick, although I have little experience with other similar tools that were made after oh, say 1990 or so :)

I thought the Office 2004 presentation was a joke. How can they possibly think that those kinds of features are worthy of keynote announcement, much less a major upgrade. The interface looks nearly identical, which is really what needed an overhaul. I think MS, even the MBU needs to study Apple a bit more carefully for their future copying...

$250??? (1)

StingRay02 (640085) | about 11 years ago | (#7894729)

As much of a Mac zealot as I am, I can't help but feel that they're charging way too much for the iPod mini. $250??? Working retail, I know people don't really pay attention to anything but price. I can't count the number of times I've had to explain to people why they really don't want to pay $100 for 128Mb of MP3 player. And while I reccomend iPods, even if they buy some other hard drive based player, I feel I've accomplished something. The idea of breaking into the lower end spectrum of players is great, but "Look, it's only $50 more" is not competitive. Of course, even as I say this, the green one has enamored my wife (who already ones a 10 Gb iPod) and I've no doubt that the size will attract many. I just think that Apple could have blown the market away by at least going down to $200. That would have left a distinguishable, consumer-noticeable difference between their products.

Don't forget (1)

PHlLlPY (670556) | about 11 years ago | (#7894731)

about the Apple education specials for basically anyone that goes to any school. that makes the "slightly too expensive" iPod mini come down to $229, the new 15gig iPod down to $269, and the already-cheap new iLife down to $29.... the USB keyboard stays at $99 though, but I doubt anyone will complain about that. I think I will take one of each ;)

Mini iPod, Macro price (1)

Dixie_Flatline (5077) | about 11 years ago | (#7894740)

Disclaimer: I'm a Mac fan. I have a G5, iSight and new iPod. I love OSX.

However, I don't see the logic of standing up on stage and talking about MP3 players that are in the $100 - $200 range, and then introducing a new MP3 player that ISN'T IN THE RANGE AT ALL. You can't target the $100 - $200 range without at least coming close to $200. People with only $100 to spend won't be able to come up with another $150, and people that have $200 to spend would do well to come up with just another $100.

Granted, the iPod mini is even smaller than before. I think if the rumours had been true and the player was 2GB at a price even as high as $150, they would sell more. Way more.

Oh well. At least GarageBand looked really cool. I'll buy it for my musician sister. She'll be thrilled to have that sort of thing on her powerbook.

Steve's iPod mini presentation didn't mention HD (3, Insightful)

John Harrison (223649) | about 11 years ago | (#7894745)

Steve kept talking about how the iPod mini competes with 256MB flash players but never mentioned that it isn't a flash player. Why is that?

I was anticipating a serious case of buyer's remorse given that I had just bought a 512MB flash player/USB pen drive for $150. The iPod mini is certainly more impressive than my little player, but given that it is hard drive based and $100 more I don't feel so bad.

Also, I can pop in a new AAA battery when mine runs out. All by myself.

Battery Life (-1, Flamebait)

old_unicorn (697566) | about 11 years ago | (#7894749)

I am not getting one if the battery dies in 18 months and replacement costs more than the unit did in the first place, (See iPod). I have an iBook, but the battery is dead after 18 months, but at least it can be replaced, (even if it will cost me about 100).

Um... yay? (1)

borg1238 (692335) | about 11 years ago | (#7894760)

A 4 gig MP3 player for $250. So, for $50 bucks less than the low-end IPOD, I can 11 gigs less storage space.

But it's smaller! I never really thought the original IPOD was incredibly huge. Oh, and I can choose from five colors. Who cares?

Who is Apple targeting with this? I was really looking forward to an affordable iPod. Sigh.

Pepsi Giveaway (1)

NaugaHunter (639364) | about 11 years ago | (#7894761)

I wonder how this is going to work - if there will be a limit per computer or something. You know people are just going to try random combinations to see if they work - I'm guessing you will have to register a valid account with credit card number, etc., so that they have something to track if someone reports 100 winning numbers in a day.

Not necessarily impossible to get 100, just suspicious.

Minor correction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894778)

The Xserve RAID increased in capacity by 1 TB, not 500 GB. It was previously using 180 GB disks for a max of 2.5 TB. Now it has 250 GB disks for up to 3.5 TB.

I figured it was just a matter of time before they bumped up the capacity in these. Too bad they waited til MWSF, though. We have one on order from last month with the old 2.5 TB max. Unfortunately the money went away if it wasn't ordered before the end of the year, so waiting until today wasn't an option. While it would have been nice to get the extra TB, we needed the disk space yesterday, and it still isn't here yet. I'm sure ordering a new one would take even longer...

Xgrid (5, Informative)

merger (235225) | about 11 years ago | (#7894781)

Also worth noting is that they officially announced Xgrid, their clustering software. There had been a maililng list for it a couple of months ago that was later shutdown. From the press release it says:

"Xgrid makes it easy to turn your Mac cluster into a supercomputer," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. "The new Xgrid software agents use Apple's breakthrough Rendezvous networking technology to automatically discover, connect and manage tasks across available systems in a Mac cluster."

The entire press release can be read here [apple.com] and in it they say they have posted a beta version of the software but I've yet to find it.

Free laser engraving (1)

kamelkev (114875) | about 11 years ago | (#7894788)

Apple [apple.com] is offering free laser engraving for those of you who may be interested in buying this particular iPod version.

Nothing says "don't steal me" like your name blazened across the back...

Echo echo echo (1)

GeorgieBoy (6120) | about 11 years ago | (#7894792)

Most comments regarding the mini-iPods complain about the price, just $50 less than the $299 15GB iPod. It's a bit baffling to see them release a new product like this at such a high price, for obvious "bang-for-buck" reasons, though I think that it is probably another strategy from Apple to entice people enough to buy the more expensive models. Apple's music players are considered the best in the industry, and like their computers, quality comes with a price. (Whether or not you agree about the quality of their products is another matter). My bet is that in a few months they'll drop the price on these new mini units by $50. (Personally I think $199 is the correct price point for them).

I'll be curious to know what the battery like is like on these new iPods.

Too Little For Too Much (1)

WombatControl (74685) | about 11 years ago | (#7894802)

The iPod Mini is about $50 too expensive for what it is. The problem with expanding iPod sales is that there a lot of us (myself included) who don't particularly care to shell out more than $150 for a portable music player. Yeah, the iPod is insanely great and all, but I don't have $300 to shell out for what is basically a luxury item.

What is the target market for this device? If you're going to spend $249 for a device with less than a third of the capacity of a model only $50 more, you're not going to buy the mini iPod. In essence, Apple isn't opening a new market but cannibalizing sales of their existing market, if that. I don't see this as being a big seller unless the price point significantly drops.

Worse of all, Apple has opened the market for another company to produce an iPod knockoff that offers 2GB of storage for $130-$150 that would fill that niche market that iPod Mini could have filled. If they partner with another service (read Wal-Mart or Napster), they can take the market from Apple easily.

This has been Apple's problem from the beginning. They produce great tech that is wonderful for early adopters, but they don't know how to compete in the larger market. iTunes is nice, but if they lose the low-cost MP3 player market they're already ceding ground to competitors that can loss-lead them into the ground. (Again, read Wal-Mart).

The mini iPod is going to be a major disappointment for Apple and shows a real lack of vision. The high-end MP3 player market is going to reach saturation at some point, and the iPod won't be able to break out of its niche without substantial price drops. Meanhile, another company will use the lower-cost market to dominate the field and reduce the marketshare of the underlying technology Apple is based on. (Read AAC). It's how IBM and clones took over the PC market in the 80's and 90's, and it's how someone else has the same opportunity to do so for the digital music market now.

Smaller than any cellphone my arse (1)

EnglishTim (9662) | about 11 years ago | (#7894804)

It's small, but not that small. My mid-sized t68i is only a couple of millimetres larger than that in two dimensions and a few millimeters smaller in one, and I know for a fact there's a whole bunch of phones smaller than mine...

Dock not compatible! Arm band $29! (1)

jwachter (319790) | about 11 years ago | (#7894809)

Now we know how Apple *really* makes all its money. I sunk $80 into two docks for my current 3G iPod and now, if I want a mini, I need to buy the docks all over again. And $29 for an arm band? I'm sure it costs Apple about $5 to manufacture.

But, what can I say, the product looks pretty darn cool. I might just have to buy one. (Besides, if I'm shelling out $249 for a new unit, I really shouldn't complain...)

iPhoto Enhance (1)

waaka! (681130) | about 11 years ago | (#7894814)

I guess this is a tiny thing compared to the magnitude of the iPod Mini release and GarageBand, but I do hope that Apple has improved the Enhance feature in iPhoto. Granted, I shouldn't really expect something on the caliber of Photoshop's Auto Color (which, while not perfect, has surprised me a few times), but it can't hurt to hope.

$29,500 (5, Funny)

cnb (146606) | about 11 years ago | (#7894815)

and that one person has spent $29,500 on iTunes Music Store. Yes, $29,500.

This one person also bought a SCO license and invested in Enron.

Pepsi + iTunes not really a "rumor" (1)

ShdwStkr (454413) | about 11 years ago | (#7894822)

...as it's been prominently displayed on the itunes website for over a month. You can see it, the same image is still there. It's the one on the bottom left. [apple.com]


miniPod vs. etc. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7894826)

It's worth noting that the cheapest 256MB players on Price Watch are about $100, so even at $250 for 4GB, the miniPod is still a dynamite deal.

post-xmas releases (1)

happyfrogcow (708359) | about 11 years ago | (#7894828)

I wonder how many ipods were sold for holiday purchases. probably a considerable amount.

how many of those people would have bought one if they knew this new version was comming out? probably about slim to none (mac people apparently love shiney plastic colors). However, how many old iPod users who bought it when it was first released will buy this new version? I bet atleast half. brilliant sales scheme for apple. instead of releasing and selling new products at christmas, dump your inventory (which isn't even old and outdated yet) and afterwards announce a new product.

I would however, feel a little alienated by this action.

Look on the bright side... (1)

Denver_80203 (570689) | about 11 years ago | (#7894833)

The 18 month bettery life can be updated for only $89 as opposed to the $99 price tag on the regular iPod

$250 ? (2, Interesting)

MtlDty (711230) | about 11 years ago | (#7894835)

Who can afford that? iCant. iWont, its not what iWant! Think I'll wait 3 months for Jobs to come to his senses and reduce the price.
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