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iTunes Music Store sells 275,000 Tracks in 18 Hours

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the now-it-gets-interesting dept.

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physicsnerd writes "According to this article on Billboard.com, Apple's iTunes Music store sold 275,000 tracks in its first 18 hours of operation. The Register.com estimates that this netted Apple just under $100,000! Not too bad for a 99 cents store." Impressive considering the connection problems people were having. Remains to be seen what usage will be after the hype settles down.

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Future looks bright (-1, Troll)

MrCaseyB (200218) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853841)

In a related article, recent studies show that Apple zealots will buy just about anything as long as it has a candy colored apple logo and some brushed metal interface.

As much as I'm against the DRM and the low bitrate itunes uses, I actually see this as a good thing. The more successful this is, the better my chances of getting an online song service that suits me better. Maybe iTunes will make some changes and remove the DRM, maybe they will offer higher bitrate songs. If they do not, maybe someone else will do it in apple's footsteps.

Now all that needs to happen is for Apple to go out and get a massive catalog of Indy music they can represent, give profits to the artists and kill the big record labels.

Re:Future looks bright (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5853876)

Can't wait for no DRM? That is like saying you can't wait until Best Buy gets rid of those pesky cashiers. Why don't they just trust me to leave an appropriate amount of money for the goods that I walk out of the store with?? They are treating me like a criminal. Wah.

Re:Future looks bright (4, Interesting)

dissy (172727) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853993)

> Can't wait for no DRM? That is like saying you can't wait until Best Buy gets
> rid of those pesky cashiers. Why don't they just trust me to leave an
> appropriate amount of money for the goods that I walk out of the store with??
> They are treating me like a criminal. Wah.

Sad part is, even thou the above was posted by an AC and modded down to -1 flamebait, he's 100% right and not flaming anything at all.

Those moderators should be ashamed.

Re:Future looks bright (5, Interesting)

Phiro (670186) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853905)

This should send (yet another) wake up call to the music industry. Online music trading is so pervasive only because it beats the hell out of paying $18US for a music cd. This is merely a step in the right direction - this is by no means perfect or even viable long term. I don't give this good chances over time - a pioneer is the guy (or gal) laying in the field with an arrow in their back. But, it's a start, and maybe it'll whack some of the riaa/mpaa execs with a cluebat.

Re:Future looks bright (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5854011)

The music industry doesnt give a shit.

Think about it.

Under the current system, they press and market the CDs. The retail chains sell them. The retail chains pay for the whole infrastructure for shipping and whatnot.

Aside from production and marketing, there is no overhead for the producers.

If the producers had to set up their own 'online retail' outlets, there would be a massive amount of overhead for servers, software, bandwidth and staff. It would cost them more to distribute the music this way.

Third parties would have to create the e-biz infrastructure, shoulder that overhead, and pay the producers their due royalties. This is what Apple did, and there's nothing stopping someone else from doing it except cash and lack of customer base.

The RIAA/MPAA dont give a shit either way, so long as they aren't losing money on the deal.

Re:Future looks bright (5, Insightful)

chef_raekwon (411401) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853909)

Now all that needs to happen is for Apple to go out and get a massive catalog of Indy music they can represent, give profits to the artists and kill the big record labels.

this is funny AND true. ever stepped into the huge conglomerate music stores of late? same music they were selling last year, just with different band names, and song titles......

The state of music today would certainly allow Indy to take over, just because of creativity alone. Apple would be wise to catalog Indy music. (and those profits of 100,000 would be ten fold.)

Re:Future looks bright (5, Insightful)

Dylan Zimmerman (607218) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853988)

Well, from what I've heard (I can't use the store since I'm stuck with Windows), you can recommend artists. So, go recomend all of your favorite independant bands. Hopefully, Apple will decide to pick some of them up.

If Apple starts selling Indy music, then they can either do it at a lower price, higher profit, or both. Without the record labels in the way, set Apple's cut at $.33, the musicians' cut at another $.33, and that makes for a $.66 song. Pretty good competition for the RIAA, really.

Of course, then they'd have $6.66 albums.

Re:Future looks bright (1)

evilpenguin (18720) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854065)

Uh, ten $0.66 songs make a $6.60 album, I'm afraid. Eleven $0.66 songs would make a $7.26 album. Perhaps a discount on the 11th song to $0.06?

Re:Future looks bright (4, Interesting)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854106)

I can't use the Apple Store either. It's US only. I hope they will fix that "bug" soon.
I mean, at 20Euro per CD with 10 songs, their offering is very competitive. DRM? Don't care too much: I can burn it on CD and it's usually from a CD that I listen to music. I also have a MiniDisc player/recorder and the DRM has only slapped me in the face once, when a musician friend of mine gave me a CD-R-Audio.

Good idea recommeniding the indy bands... I think I'm going to do that.

Re:Future looks bright (5, Interesting)

rbuysse (72162) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853959)

Why can't people realize that DRM is around for reasons other than to piss you off?

Record companies are never going to allow an online music store like this unless there's some semblance of rights management.

Also, we've been over this 47,000 times now, but the DRM imposed on the Apple store tracks isn't restrictive to a user at all. The only time it gets in the way is if you want to do something less than legal with your purchased goods.

Re:Future looks bright (2, Insightful)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854016)

Also, we've been over this 47,000 times now, but the DRM imposed on the Apple store tracks isn't restrictive to a user at all. The only time it gets in the way is if you want to do something less than legal with your purchased goods.

And even then it is extremely simple to circumvent. I think the lower quality audio and small selection are the only things really holding this back. I think Apple worked out the perfect amount of DRM for this type of service.

Re:Future looks bright (2, Insightful)

lpp (115405) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854034)

First, a disclaimer. I am 100% opposed to illegal song swapping (ala Napster, Limewire and friends).

That said, I want to point something out. I don't own an iPod. If I owned, instead, an Archos Jukebox, I would be unable to listen to my music on my own hardware.

This is, as far as I know, a completely legal action, but something that is currently impossible due to DRM constraints.

_lpp

Re:Future looks bright (1)

Steveftoth (78419) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854068)

Well you could always burn to CD, then rip from CD to MP3 then play on said Archos. But I agree, it's a pain and a lot of work.

Re:Future looks bright (3, Interesting)

jbolden (176878) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854110)

Apple markets hardware through software. If you own an Archos Jukebox you didn't buy it from Apple.

Re:Future looks bright (2, Insightful)

pauljlucas (529435) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854118)

... the DRM imposed on the Apple store tracks isn't restrictive to a user at all. The only time it gets in the way is if you want to do something less than legal with your purchased goods.
I want to play purchased songs on both my Rio Receiver and my Neo Car Jukebox [ssiamerica.com] . These units play only MP3 files. I should therefore be able to convert the AAC file to an MP3 file. iTunes forbids this personal use even though it's perfectly legal for me to do.

The iPod is a cool device, no question; but it's not for me. I don't listen to music while walking around or riding the train. I listen only through my home stereo and in my car, neither of which an iPod does easily or well.

(Please don't reply telling me of solutions for this: I've already looked and, IMnsHO, they are all unsatisfactory. And I'm entitled to my opinion.)

Re:Future looks bright (5, Informative)

zsmooth (12005) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853985)

From the TIME interview [time.com] :

TIME: What about independent labels? Will they follow suit?

Jobs: Yes. They've already been calling us like crazy. We've had to put most of them off until after launch just because the big five have most of the music, and we only had so many hours in the day. But now we're really going to have time to focus on a lot of the independents and that will be really great.

So this should put to rest the people claiming that indies would never be allowed because the majors wouldn't allow it...

Independents (3, Informative)

thenightfly42 (166359) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853986)

from TIME Magazine interview online with Steve Jobs:

TIME: What about independent labels? Will they follow suit?

Jobs: Yes. They've already been calling us like crazy. We've had to put most of them off until after launch just because the big five have most of the music, and we only had so many hours in the day. But now we're really going to have time to focus on a lot of the independents and that will be really great.

Re:Future looks bright (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5854006)

"As much as I'm against the DRM and the low bitrate itunes uses, I actually see this as a good thing."

bitrate itunes uses? Do you mean, what rate iTunes encodes at? I believe, for MP3's the default is 128. It should be noted that it's a simple preference chage to up the bitrate to 168 or 192. I used to encode everything at 192. However, I can't easily tell the difference between 192 and 168, so I've opted to now encode everything at 168. The quality is great.

Re:Future looks bright (2, Interesting)

Dub Kat (183404) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854057)

Maybe iTunes will make some changes and remove the DRM, maybe they will offer higher bitrate songs. If they do not, maybe someone else will do it in apple's footsteps.

I was a little surprised there was DRM. I was able to hear a talk by Steve Jobs last summer, and afterwards there was a QA session. Someone brought up online music and what he thought about it. He said that there was a huge opportunity for the record companies..but just weren't willing to take the rist. He also said that Apple/NeXT/(pixar?) had been researching DRM for a long time, and no matter what it can always be hacked...someone will find a way to get around it. Funny how during this he never let on for a moment that apple had huge plans in the works for an online music service.

But basically he thinks people want to be honest and do the right thing if given a reasonable choice. So in his opinion ninety-nine cents and the current DRM restrictions are reasonable. It keeps the record companies in the game by having basic restrictions so the songs can't be just thrown up on kazaa by joe college, but still has reasonable fair use.

Having used the service myself, I think most people will be very happy with it.

Re:Future looks bright (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5854072)

In a related article, recent studies show that Apple zealots will buy just about anything as long as it has a candy colored apple logo and some brushed metal interface.

In other news, Slashdot weiners continue to post insulting things about Apple in a futile attempt to conceal their jealousy. Said one Anonymous Coward: "If only I didn't have these crippling addictions to water cooling components and black t-shirts with perl code and airbrushed wolves on them I'd be able to buy a Mac but as it stands I have to scrape quarters together for a new radiator right now."

Tomorrow night we'll be interviewing Pontiac Grand Am owners on their feelings about BMWs.

Fristy Ps0t! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5853843)

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Re:Fristy Ps0t! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5853873)

is it a duplicate?

Happy May Day! (-1)

I Have a Hard (538104) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853855)

Comrades!

But how many more Macs will get sold? (4, Interesting)

corebreech (469871) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853859)

That's the real question.

Re:But how many more Macs will get sold? (5, Insightful)

Angry White Guy (521337) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853901)

This is just a shift to a more 'service' oriented model of Apple. Don't expect them to sell more PC's, but expect them to sell more. Apple is actually doing what we've been saying MS was going to do, become a service provider.

Re:But how many more Macs will get sold? (1)

polarbear169 (617991) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853910)

At least few more... :D
Actually, I am interested in whether or not they will open this up beyond an application for OS X and Windows.

Re:But how many more Macs will get sold? (1)

Apiakun (589521) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853962)

Yes, the Billboard article says as much: Apple says it plans to make iTunes compatible with the PC by the end of the year. Sources tell Bulletin that two major labels have already cut wholesale agreements with Apple for the Windows version of the service.

Re:But how many more Macs will get sold? (1)

polarbear169 (617991) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854052)

I skimmed it, but I thought it said Windows and OS X. Was anything was said of Linux? All of my MP3s at home are on my Linux machine, and I'd hate to have to install a dual boot (I don't have a Win license, so that means $ spent) just to get the software to test this service out.

Re:But how many more Macs will get sold? (2, Insightful)

sunbeam60 (653344) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853946)

Why is this the real question? With 2% of the marketshare, Apple has to find revenue streams anywhere they can.

It's is only relevant if Apple isn't willing to change to make money. If they live off the music store in 10 years and hardly sell any Macs, who cares? (I mean, besides all the people who likes Mac) The shareholders sure won't, as long as their shares pay off, they are happy.

A lot of curiosity (4, Interesting)

faust2097 (137829) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853866)

This is a good thing but I have a feeling that the numbers in 60 or 90 days will have a lot more to say about how viable this is.

They need to sort out international licensing too, This could be huge in the UK where albums frequently cost as much in pounds as they do in dollars here in the US.

Re:A lot of curiosity (2, Insightful)

zfractal (170078) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854022)

Yes, it will take some time before we see some real numbers. Still, it's just the Mac part of the market (and just the U.S. part of the Mac market at that) - iTunes for Windows will be released later this year, and I would hope that Apple would expand beyond the U.S. market. With these additions this could add some serious gross revenues to Apple's bottom line.

I really really hope... (-1, Troll)

I'm a racist. (631537) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853868)

Hillary Rosen feels like a total dumbass right now!

That skanky bitch really needs to be anally violated with some object that's larger than a fist and less loving than a dildo...

MOD PARENT DOWN! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5853907)

Sorry, just not going to stand by, quitely endorsing a brutal, inhuman and criminal act. Dumbass.

Anally rape parent poster. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5853940)

You need to be violated anally by an object that's larger than a fist and less loving than a dildo. Dumbass.

Seriously, you are a dried up, stinky, dicklicker. I have the pictures to prove it.

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5854015)

You're right! That poor, larger than a fist, less loving than a dildo, object, being forced to violate Hillary Rosen. It is both brutal and inhuman to that object.

Meanwhile.... (4, Funny)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853875)

Windows users (i.e. 95 %) continue to download stuff from kazaa.

iTunes for Windows (4, Informative)

Zathrus (232140) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853954)

According to CNet [com.com] , Apple appears to be looking for a developer to help create iTunes for Windows. Seems like a smart move to me -- the Windows user base is clearly vastly larger than Mac, and Apple will still be getting a slice of online music sales -- plus they give another reason for Windows users to buy an iPod.

I keep hearing great things about iTunes too, in that it's apparantly quite a bit better than most music database software. Personally I'm still looking for a good music db/organizing program for either Linux (preferred) or Windows (thank you samba) - I'm in the process of ripping ~1000 CDs to high bitrate MP3 for my TiVo and am in desperate need for some cataloging and playlist creation tools. From what little I've heard iTunes would fit the bill and do it well... but obviously I still need to find something until then (suggestions welcome).

Re:iTunes for Windows (5, Informative)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854002)

For linux i find yammi [sourceforge.net] very very useful.

It integrats with xmms, noatun. Can build playlists, extendable via plug-ins.

And Did i mention, extremly fast and accurate search engine. This is the feature that's most imp. to me. Just start tying in the search window, and it does an incremental search.

Re:iTunes for Windows (1)

SammyT (594204) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854030)

Your answer beat me to my question. :-) The fact that they've done so well with just the Mac user base is impressive. Imagine the amount of revenue that they could rake in if they actually opened this up to the Windows/Linux world? Speaking of which, you mentioned that iTunes for Windows is in consideration. Is there an iTunes for Linux in the works?

Re:Meanwhile.... (1)

MrCaseyB (200218) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854012)

Imagine how much more Apple would have sold if they could sell to windows and linux users. My coworkers have Ipods but under windows, so no luck right now. In the future im SURE they will.

I've even tried services like Rhapsody through Speakeasy. Again, a slick looking interface that only works in Windows.

No brushed metal interfaces, no prorietary software, just give me a website with a link with a file I can pay for and download and listen to.

Re:Meanwhile.... (1)

NitzerX (232382) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854100)

Imagine how much more Apple would have sold if they could sell to windows and linux users.

Yeah linux users are soooo eager to spend money...
I agree with the Windows sentiment though. Luckily, it is coming.

Exactly... (2, Funny)

Kjella (173770) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854014)

Windows users (i.e. 95 %) continue to download stuff from kazaa.

Which means that if a client was availible for 100% of the market, perhaps they could have sold 275,000*20 = 5,500,000 tracks in 18 hours. It's math even RIAA monkeys could figure out.

Kjella

Re:Meanwhile.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5854112)

yeah, because there is only mac and windows.

Excited about this service (1)

VoyagerRadio (669156) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853887)

I'm really excited about this service. Hopefully it will be able to provide me with some music for my Internet radio station. Still trying to figure out whether these music files can be re-encoded properly, though, to be webcast on Live365 [live365.com] (my webcast host). Harold VoyagerRadio.com [mac.com]

Re:Excited about this service (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5853966)

You still are paying fees to ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC (the recording artists' performance rights associations), right? Otherwise you're STILL stealing by re-broadcasting music without authorization.

Remember, just because you think you can, not every Joe Blow can decide "Hey I'm gonna start a radio station today!"

Re:Excited about this service (2, Informative)

VoyagerRadio (669156) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854075)

By covering all copyright fees, Live365 [live365.com] provides a service which allows you to legally webcast.

Privacy violation (-1)

SlashdotMirrorer (669639) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853891)

These guys [tinyurl.com] have analyzed the packets being sent back and forth and have determined Apple is tracking everyone who uses the site to an insane degree.

The analysis is good. Not bad for a couple of college guys.

And the recording industry went along with this (1)

AwesomeJT (525759) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853896)

What I can't believe is how the recording industry went along with this. I guess someone with a brian finally took charge of this part of the business there. I wonder if the other online music sites will follow this example? Nice to dream. Anyways, I hope the website doesn't require me to use a Mac. :-)

Re:And the recording industry went along with this (1)

chef_raekwon (411401) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853951)

my brother brian also decided that mp3's online was a good thing...
i just wish he had a brain......

GNUArt (2, Interesting)

mirko (198274) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853897)

Something I really appreciate about this move from Apple is that they are actually offering the only decent point of comparison with GNUArt [gnuart.net] :
Besides p2p which is illicit, they are indeed selling professional stuff whereas GNUArtists are sharing their own amateurish but "Open-sourced" stuff ; once people will realize they have to pay 7425$ to fill their new iPod, they'll also want to visit Free galleries such as ours.

So, we can only benefit from this "competition".
Thanks, Herr Jobs !

A nice looking service (5, Interesting)

locker1776 (463385) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853911)

I was very envious today when my friend with his ibook was able to log into iTunes and download 15 songs in minutes. Since it stores you credit card, it is perhaps TOO easy to download songs (Parents giving credit card numbers to kids may find a large bill next month).

I may now have to buy an Apple just to use the service. It's easy to use, has a wide selection, and is everything a music service should be. Only time will tell if they have the pricing right.

I don't know what took the music industry so long.

Everything a music service should be ? (-1, Redundant)

Salsaman (141471) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853983)

How about 'an open format' ?

Re:A nice looking service (-1, Flamebait)

orionware (575549) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854017)

So apparently you'e never heard of Emusic or Kazaa or Limewire or Gnutella or Morpheus or Aimster or Napster or eMule or EDoneky or .....

Why you would need a MAC to get music quickly over the net either means A) You are an idiot, B) You are an APPLE SHILL or C) You are likely both

Re:A nice looking service (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5854085)

Why you would need a MAC to get music quickly over the net either means A) You are an idiot, B) You are an APPLE SHILL or C) You are likely both

How about D) He actually likes the idea of some money going to the artists, rather than stealing the music.

Re:A nice looking service (1)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854088)

I may now have to buy an Apple just to use the service.

Which was undoubtedly part of Apple's intent.

Wonder how many people will actually do this.

eMusic ups the ante (5, Informative)

gadwale (46632) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853914)

Just submitted this - but it might as well be a comment here:

eMusic has increased the quality of songs available on their website from 128kbps to 192kbps VBR. The annoucement is available here [mp3.com] .

Currently, this is the only pay and play option available to iPod users without a Mac! For those that don't already know, eMusic offers all-you-can-eat downloads, song previews and has recently also added message boards [emusic.com] for each genre.

This is pure, DRM-free music so sign up and support the business model! It is hard to find music so I hope they add streaming radio and collaborative filtering in the near future to make it easier.

Don't wait for the non-Mac Apple music store - This [theregister.co.uk] article in the Register points out that only two labels have signed up for the Windows version of the music store.

Adi Gadwale.

Re:eMusic ups the ante (4, Informative)

VoyagerRadio (669156) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853953)

I've tried using eMusic a few times using my Mac but I can't get much to download properly. The interface doesn't seem to work properly with Mac OS 9. It's too bad, but that's what happens when you don't pay attention to the lower 3%. :)

Re:eMusic ups the ante (3, Interesting)

Have Blue (616) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854043)

The article says "at least", not "only". Also, what makes you think the catalog from the Mac music store won't be transferred? It'll be months before the Windows store is launched.

Re:eMusic ups the ante (0)

orionware (575549) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854047)

I've been a member of EMusic for over a year. EMusic carries popular stuff as well as a catalog of indy and obscure stuff you'd never find elsewhere

And for $100 a year for unlimited downloads in MP3 format, it's a no brainer.

Re:eMusic ups the ante (4, Insightful)

zsmooth (12005) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854093)

Don't wait for the non-Mac Apple music store - This [theregister.co.uk] article in the Register points out that only two labels have signed up for the Windows version of the music store...

... so far. Surely they're waiting to see how successful the current version is. Also the Windows one probably won't be out for awhile, so there's still time for everyone to get on board. (And I predict they will).

3000 credits (0, Offtopic)

zephc (225327) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853916)

I bet 3000 credits at flyonthemac.com [flyonthemac.com] on the under 500K bet... do I win or what?

oh ellen (-1)

p_rotator (617988) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853918)

Dear Apple,
I'm writing to share a tragic little story.

My Dad has a PC that my sister and I used to use for our homework assignments. One night, I was downloading music from kazaa on it, when all of a sudden it went berserk, the screen started flashing, and the whole song just disappeared. All of it. And it was a good song! I had to cram and redownload it really quickly. Needless to say, my rushed download wasn't nearly as good, and I blame that PC for the grade I got.

I'm happy to report that my sister and I now share an Itunes subscription. It's a lot nicer to work on than my dad's PC was, it hasn't let me down once, and my grades have all been really good.

Thanks, Apple.

Ellen Feiss

Re:oh ellen (0, Offtopic)

pressman (182919) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854073)

See this might actually be funny if the itunes Music Store was actually a subscription service.

$.99 versus $1.00 (2, Interesting)

webword (82711) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853921)

I started thinking, Why is the price $0.99 versus $1.00? Then I expanded on that and started thinking about how Apple come up with their pricing scheme. What is the optimal pricing [business2.com] ? Was $0.99 selected by guess and by golly? What is the right price? [slashdot.org] Does anyone know how the $0.99 price was actually selected? My guess is that it was a ... guess.

Re:$.99 versus $1.00 (1, Interesting)

Jacer (574383) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853982)

Previously, It was to keep employees from stealing. If something is $0.99 they have to make change for the customer, where if it were $1.00 they wouldn't

Re:$.99 versus $1.00 (1)

Chmarr (18662) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854000)

Because, 99c appears to be much less than a dollar than just the 1c. Unless, of course, if you think about it.

This is the very same reason stuff you buy at the store is $9.99, or $9.95, instead of $10.

Re:$.99 versus $1.00 (1)

Achoi77 (669484) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854033)

Why is the price $0.99 versus $1.00?

Cause it cost zero dollars and some change, as opposed to 1 whole dollar. Who knows. Consumer perception.

Do any shopping lately? (5, Informative)

freeweed (309734) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854097)

Sorry for the harsh subject line, but I find it difficult to believe that a person can make it more than a few years in life without noticing that virtually every consumer product is priced this way.

$9.99, $99.99, $17,995 (for say, a car). We've had this as long as I've been alive, and from looking into older catalogues it's been standard practice in the retail industry since at least the 60's. EVERYONE rounds their price down slightly, so it appears cheaper when you quickly look at it. In fact, in the past decade many stores have successfully gone to a '95 cents' model, where $9.95 somehow looks more appealing to the shopper than $9.99. A whopping 4 cents less profit, but an amazing increase in sales.

Psychologists have known about this for eons, and marketing types do this routinely. 99 cents just looks cheaper than an even buck, to most people. In fact, it's so bad that if I'm in a store with someone, see something for say $395, I'll comment "wow, four hundred dollars for that?". Almost invariably, the person I'm with will say "no, it's only three ninety five". People are so used to this that rounding up prices just seems wrong, somehow.

Don't buy into the Apple hype machine, AAC (2, Interesting)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853926)

I love macs and all, but what if I want to listen to downloaded music on the equipment I invested in that only supports MP3? AAC wont work in my Aiwa CDC-MP3, will it? NO. Guess I stay with Limewire.

Re:Don't buy into the Apple hype machine, AAC (5, Informative)

godawful (84526) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853975)

if you have a mac then you can use audio hijack [rogueamoeba.com] with that little baby, anything that comes out your speakers you can record

Re:Don't buy into the Apple hype machine, AAC (2, Insightful)

pressman (182919) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854025)

Or, you burn a CD of the music you purchase... the disc is a normal CD and you rip the music to MP3. Pretty simple actually.

Re:Don't buy into the Apple hype machine, AAC (1)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854114)

Yea, but it's still a waste of a CD-R and alot more steps than it was before.

Re:Don't buy into the Apple hype machine, AAC (1)

azadism (578262) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854069)

Agreed. I have a Kenwood KDC-MPV7019 [kenwoodusa.com] . The format needs to MP3!

Yikes! (2, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853927)


Why so many downloads? I thought Macs had Gnutella clients.

yeah I'm joking

Re:Yikes! (1)

Steve Cowan (525271) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854101)

Why so many downloads? I thought Macs had Gnutella clients.

Acquisition [acquisitionx.com] is a really sweet Mac OS X Gnutella client.

Optional DRM (3, Interesting)

Lord Grey (463613) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853929)

I think this service is a great starting point for whole online/downloadable music biz. Apple will surely tweak the service, and competitors will probably do more, faster.

While I don't really like DRM, I can see where the music industry is coming from on the topic, and I suspect that they were the ones behind the whole thing.

What I'd like to see is a per-song DRM, where the artists or labels get to choose whether the song can be freely copied after purchase or not. Perhaps that, coupled with a price change for non-DRM-enforced songs, would push the rest of the industry in the direction we all want it to go. I'm sure the indie crowd would get behind the idea, as well as the brighter label execs and artists.

what if it settles up? (1)

simpl3x (238301) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853943)

if that 200k songs represent say 50k users, what's to say that the number doesn't begin to rapidly rise? this may particularly be the case if connection issues prevented downloads. i am a mac user, though my primary personal machine is a tablet pc. when itunes is available for windows, i will likely start to purchase some music. if they can get 25% of my purchases that's $500 a year... though most of my purchases are from independent labels. purchasing universal music is looking less and less silly.

Re:what if it settles up? (1)

godawful (84526) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854027)

after playing around with it, my real complaint was how there wasn't much music that i didn't have, or else didn't have anyone who i was looking for..
then i read this interview with steve [time.com] which gave me something to look forward too once the indie labels get on there..

Problem... (1)

Duncan3 (10537) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853947)

The problem is that this also netted Visa/MC around $40,000 in processing fees, depending on the avg songs per checkout (I'm assuming 2).

On the plus side, at least it's not Paypay, then you'd be talking 150K in fees, and the accounts would all be suspended.

Lets hope apple makes a payment system someday.

Re:Problem... (1)

siberian (14177) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854074)

They bill you on daily usage. I got a single charge to my bill for 3 songs.

This seems like a reasonable compromise.

Internet Crack (5, Insightful)

Cheap Imitation (575717) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853955)

At 99cents a track, this is a quick, easy impulse purchase for most people, with instant gratification. Far easier than heading down to the store and buying a CD... or ordering one and waiting for it to ship.

Once they roll this out for Windows or Linux, I'll have a hard time fighting the impulses. It's only 99 cents, right? Cheap! 15 or 20 tracks later, I'll realize I just dropped $20.

Apple may very well succeed because of the low investment necessary... and because at only 99 cents, the instant gratification may get addictive. Smart move on their part.

Well... (5, Interesting)

Auckerman (223266) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853961)

For you PC users who haven't seen the store, let me tell you, that place is addictive as crack rock. The default settings are such that you click "buy song" and it starts downloading. With a cable modem, I was able to get an album of 9 Tracks in a few minutes. All without getting my lazy ass up and going to the store.

I expect that within a year, there will be MUG meets where the topic of discussion will be "Music Store Addiction:How I lost my wife and house downloading music".

Just wait till Apple releases iTunes for Windows [monster.com] , so you PC users can join in the fun.

Apple prolly doesn't make as much as El Reg claims (3, Insightful)

EccentricAnomaly (451326) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853972)

According to Fortune [fortune.com] : "The iTunes Music Store will initially offer 200,000 tunes, paying the record companies an average of 65 cents for each track it sells."

Apple gets $.99 for singles, but less for albums (I bought a 20 track album fo $9.99)... and I'm sure that they need to pay the credit card companies some percentage, and then pay Akamai for the servers, and Amazon for the one-click patents... so I doubt they make more that 15 cents per song on average... but that's still a good margin... but more like $40,000 than El Reg's $100,000 estimate

It's enough to make you want to buy a mac... (4, Interesting)

Gavin Scott (15916) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853984)

...well, almost.

It might make sense to consider something like a 17" iMac as purely a home-entertainment component. Sure, it's $1800, but you'll probably eventually spend more than that at the iMusic store :-)

Anyone want to bet on how many days go by before someone has reverse-engineered the MaciMusic store protocol and written an app that masquerades as iTunes-on-a-Mac thus allowing Linux and Windows users to purchase music through Apple?

G.

Too bad 90% of the sales were (-1, Troll)

lateralus_1024 (583730) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853989)

....Michael Bolton tracks :/

moron censoring the ?censors? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5853990)

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all for a little more monIE?

let the music pay?

eXPplain US away as pairannoyed if you will?

Yes, it will keep up (4, Informative)

Have Blue (616) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853992)

Anyone who has not used iTunes does not understand just how convenient the store is. It's an entry right in your playlist collection (with a different icon). One click on it, and you're at the intro/overview page (or the last page you visited without quitting iTunes). iTunes' built-in search box works on the online catalog in this mode, type something in and it pops right up. Or you can switch to the categorized column-view browse mode (same button to switch any other playlist to browse mode), which is indistinguishable from browsing your local library except for network lag and the Buy button. Find a song you like, and one more click makes it download directly into your library and start playing. It's seamlessly integrated and completely oriented around impulse buying. I'm sure (I *hope*) for most people, one dollar per song is worth the removal of the time and aggravation cost of using P2P (aside from the time spent downloading on my modem, I can find music in the store faster than it would take to find Limewire on my HD and wait for it to gather a server list).

$20 Credit card limit?? (1)

westfirst (222247) | more than 11 years ago | (#5853999)

Someone told me that they don't start charging your credit card until you hit $20 in purchases. They seemed to think you could run up 20 songs without having to pay. I think that they'll eventually get around to charging us, but it would suggest that Apple doesn't have $100k in their bank right now.

The real question is if this is a prudent thing for businesses to do online. I think it's a pain to go to the credit cards for every $.99 transaction because the credit card companies just take most of that with their fees. But if you wait , you may never get the money. What will happen if people close their account before buying that 21st song?

Re:$20 Credit card limit?? (1)

Have Blue (616) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854081)

They'll just send off the existing bill to the credit card company and eat the lost profit from the failed amortization. They'd still get *something* off you, just less.

Connection problems? (1)

nedron (5294) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854005)

Impressive considering the connection problems people were having.
I hardly think the connection problems were widespread. I used the service within minutes of it's being available AND later in the evening and had zero connection problems. So, I can see how they were easily able to service several hundred thousand downloads successfully. -David

Yes, it's a nice beginning... (1)

meme_police (645420) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854013)

...but as with anything new there will be a lot of people checking it out the first day, kicking the tires and stuff. Personally I don't think there is enough variety and 99 cents is far too expensive. 49 cents a track and I'll start thinking about it.

Re:Yes, it's a nice beginning... (5, Insightful)

siberian (14177) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854116)

[Tracks drop to $0.49]

'Yea its cool and all but I want DRM free music for $0.19'

[Tracks drop to $0.19, DRM free]

'Sure, thats cool and all but I want to be able to buy multiple tracks with a complex pricing algorithm that determines how mcuh to charge be based on my average usage across a limited period of time, plus the moon phase'

[Tracks do the above]

'Ok ok, I give up, I am just shooting holes in anything that is out there because its easier then admitting that someone MAY have gotten something right.'

I can not even count how many people, WITHOUT EVEN SEEING THE SERVICE, have sat around bitching about it. Its hilarious. Now, days later, they are all using it quietly.

Yes it's really that cool. (5, Interesting)

Steve Cowan (525271) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854028)

Here in Canada I can't buy squat from the iTunes Music Store, but I have been playing with it since it 'opened for business' - we can preview, but not actually buy anything outside of the U.S.

If I was allowed to buy, I probably would have purchased 10-20 songs by now.

Yes I have Acquisition (a really sweet Mac Gnutella client), and I have the usual assortment of piracy^H^H^H^H^H^H file sharing tools for Windows, but in that sea of file searching it's easy to lose one's vision of a really nice way to download music.

For example: I figured I would try to find some old Tears For Fears music. In the search field I just typed "Tears For Fears". In less than 5 seconds I had a track listing of 6 different Tears For Fears albums, including tracks I never knew they had done (did you know they covered Bowie's 'Ashes to Ashes'?)

Let me say this another way to better illustrate just how cool it is: it was EVERY ALBUM TRACK, listed only ONCE. I pick the song and I get it, really fast. With a file sharing app I pick from a list of thousands of different rips of the same songs, all of varying quality. I hit download, and maybe the host is slow. Maybe I get a "swarmed" download that won't be reconstructed properly when it gets here. Maybe it won't even really be the song I think I'm downloading. Maybe I get "remotely queued". Maybe it looked like a good bitrate before I downloaded it, but it turned out to be a crappy rip.

On the Apple service I hit "play" and I'm previewing the music in real time. I hit "download" and I've got the actual song I want, with no glitches.

Seriously - with these advantages, plus the fact that it is actually legal, I can't see why people wouldn't shell out a buck a song.

Like everybody else I hope Apple creates an indy section, maybe even something iDisk-based so that .Mac users can peddle their wares through the online store. I hope their selection grows quickly (yes there's a lot of stuff missing right now). I hope they increase their bitrate (I can hear the difference between the streamed previews and actual CD's). The DRM is not ideal, but in practice it's not imposing. Windows version is coming soon. ...And... dammit... bring it to Canada! iWant to go shopping!!!

Emusic (1, Informative)

jetkust (596906) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854029)

Dont have mac hardware etc, but I have tried this emusic [emusic.com] which I liked. Unlimited downloads for 9.99 a month (for 1 year) or 14.99 a month (for 3 months). It has streaming samples so you can see what they have beforehand (mostly rare stuff moreso than mainstream), Plus a 50 mp3 free trial.

It's Obvious (-1, Flamebait)

Coffee Sinistar (666764) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854049)

It's obvious this is an attempt by Mac to get you music-thieves back into the mainstream. Like it or not, you are thieves when you download music for free. Kudos to Mac for their successes and hopefully bring about the end of illegal file-sharing.

Here is a 100% random post (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5854067)

Fuck you, Apple!

Big Story outside the 'geekosphere' (2, Insightful)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854082)

This is a big story outside the 'geekosphere'. How do I know this? The other day, my father said 'So, what do you think of this new music thing that Apple is doing?'

!?

Technical Questions (1)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 11 years ago | (#5854103)

Does anyone know what platform they host their servers on ?
Some review said they sold about 4 tunes ever sec. and abt 275000 tunes in 18 hrs. If an average tune is about 5MB, that's a lot of bandwidth.
How long can the network sustan this kind of load ?
Do all the music tunes download from same location or is it a distributed network ?
What's an average/min/max download speed you get ?
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