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New iMac Announced

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the stuff-to-see dept.

Apple 1146

MrGHemp writes "The new iMac with a flat panel has been offically announced, and can be seen on the Apple website. According to Steve Jobs the top 3 things we asked for were put into this new design. 1. Flat Panel screen 2. G4 processor 3. Superdrive (DVD burner on one of 3 models)... Apple also announced other new products like a 14' display on some iBooks, and iPhoto - the iTunes of digital photos." It's definitely unique looking ;) Update: Slashdot author ChrisD was there and has a report too.Linux and the Macintosh are very different things. I don't want to bore anyone with poor analogies, but when Macintosh has glitz, Linux has power. This isn't about Linux though, it just kept on striking me how much Linux lacks in the desire department.

Steve Jobs is terrific at just that, Creating Desire. This is no surprise to us, for sure, but nothing drives it home as much as sitting in the audience and watching him speak. I could tell you how wonderful an orator he is, and how groovy his products are, but I really want to hear what the Slashdot user communtiy has to say about that. I want to talk about what Apple is doing technically.

First: The new iMac is very attractive. It's cool, it's neat. It will be a very popular machine. It's got a good price/feature spectrum and it looks like a pretty decent machine for the consumer. It isn't, in the end, a machine for the linux die-hard, but that's okay. It's slick, it ships with a bunch of very decent apps to manage your digital media. I want one, it's a cool machine. I don't know what I'd do with it (which is the problem), but it's cool looking. It's not particularly a good deal, I mean, you can pick up 200$ 15" tft displays at Fry's and lets get real, the G4 (Excepting the velocity engine stuff) isn't that fast of a chip at any available speed compared to the x86 world. But boy, this is one slick machine. But we know that already from the previous story. I do worry about it overheating, as I did flash back to the cube's cracking problems a bit.

Second: Photoshop for OS X will be coming out "soon". That was the big news. They had a very impressive working demo, I hope to learn more tomorrow on the expo floor.

Third: iPhoto is a decent cataloging program, and one designed to be used easily and generate more revenue streams for apple in the form of booklets and print costs. But it looks very polished and useful.

Superdrive: You'll see the superdrive in the new imac finally, which is nice. Note that this is not the superdrive that everyone remembers from the 80s' :-)

That's about all. The keynote was terrific, but in the end, not so outstanding. I'll post pictures soon. I'm sure a lot of /. regulars will be doing the same. More Tomorrow!

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More information from the keynote (2, Insightful)

MontyP (26575) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799647)

I remember a few years ago when they announced the IMAC, I listened the keynote on streaming audio. I was amazed.. Today I watched the keynote on QuickTime. The new IMAC is very cool. It comes with a 15-inch flat screen display suspended on the base of the computer. This screen can swivel 180 degrees, raise up and down, and tilt forward and backwards. The base itself is only just over 10 inches in diameter! They come with a CD-RW up to Apple's super drive (CD-RW, DVD-R). Starting at $1299.

Apple also announced a really sweet image editing program that automatically imports, edits and prints images from a digital camera. IPhoto can also publish to a website (provided on apple's servers), order Kodak prints online, and even publish a hard bound book of photos. All in one application. This application and the new iMac completes apples "digital hub"

Re:More information from the keynote (-1, Flamebait)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799671)

And yet everyone will cry when Microsoft includes IE with Windows?

Give me a break.

Hey Klerck! I have a new variation (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799754)

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Re:More information from the keynote (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799716)

Apple also announced a really sweet image editing program that automatically imports, edits and prints images from a digital camera. IPhoto can also publish to a website (provided on apple's servers), order Kodak prints online, and even publish a hard bound book of photos. All in one application.

Sounds like MGI Photosuite. Of course that's been out for 2-3 years.

p1ss phr0st (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799648)

piss frost

Phirst Poast (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799650)

Oh... nope. Never mind.

Gawd, it looks cool! (-1, Troll)

FatAssBastard (530195) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799651)

I want one! Course, $399 is way too much for an iPod, cool as it is.

it's a breast implant dammit!@!@#! (3, Funny)

Wakko Warner (324) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799654)

that's all i needs to say.

Re:it's a breast implant dammit!@!@#! (3, Funny)

mosch (204) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799785)

This is not a troll, the damned thing looks like a plastic tit with a flat panel attached. It's a reasonably cool machine in a ludicrously gay housing.

Re:it's a breast implant dammit!@!@#! (5, Funny)

nytes (231372) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799806)

Hmmm, that would explain that quote from Steve Jobs about wanting to reach out an touch it.

Re:it's a breast implant dammit!@!@#! (0, Redundant)

neafevoc (93684) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799820)

How else are they to improve model a few year's ago? [bbspot.com]

Pro users (1, Funny)

centron (61482) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799656)

All those folks wanting a new G4 or G5 tower will have to wait. The iLamp is almost as fast and costs less.

So much for the Pro line. (1, Troll)

imac.usr (58845) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799660)

No new G4s, so the fastest Mac you can buy is a $3500 dual-800 MHz G4, and that's way more expensive than the $1800 800 Mhz G4 iMac, with virtually the same capabilities. Good one, Apple.

Wake me for MWNY, if you're still around.

Re:So much for the Pro line. (1)

surajrai (61661) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799734)

I am sure that the Powermac G4 upgrades will be announced soon. The iMacs are already at 800 so the Powermacs would at least have to be 1Ghz+...

Earliere today I saw this link [macintouch.com] regarding Dual 1.4Ghz G4s but obviously it was bogus....Oh well... I guess I am to blame for getting my hopes up.

S.r.

Re:So much for the Pro line. (2)

John Harrison (223649) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799781)

Yeah, weren't we supposed to see a G5 Power Mac at this show?

Re:So much for the Pro line. (photoshop) (0)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799807)

I had heard over the weekend that the reason that Photoshop is delayed so badly is that they are rewriting it as a 64-bit application to take advantage of the G5 processor which appears to be slated for release around the same time.

Looks like MWNY will be for power users!

Re:So much for the Pro line. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799818)

Yeahm it's a great machine, but pros are obviously not marketed to this one. It can only do 1024x768 LCD resolution, and with OSX and all it's shinyness that gets eaten up reel quick. This is really not the choice for anyone serriously doing graphics work.

Here's hoping (3, Funny)

NiftyNews (537829) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799664)

Here's hoping that with all the R&D and user testing involved, this one will finally come with a decent mouse...

Mice are cheap (1)

Toe, The (545098) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799718)

One of the favorite mice for Macs is... the Microsoft intellimouse (or whatever it's called). Works great on a Mac.

Just another one of those weird cross-breeding things, I guess.

My thoughts on the whole thing (4, Funny)

sebi (152185) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799665)

There where times when the Keynote really blue me away. After it was over I did feel a little cheated though. iPhoto looks like a great application. I downloaded it allready, but didn't have a chance to try it out yet. You can get it here [apple.com] . Download size is 13.4 MB.

The new iMac looks amazing and has great specs. It is "Flat out cool". A bigger screen iBook is another great addition to the apple product line. What worries me, is that there have been no changes to the professional line. The PowerBooks got a Combo drive just a couple of weeks ago so that is okay. But having PowerMacs and iMacs with the same processor and more or less identical clock speeds seems like a strange move to me.

This is beyond the rumour sites. All of them that I looked at swore that the gigahertz barrier was to be broken. At this Keynote it wasn't. And I don't think that Apple would just put faster PowerMacs in stores without having at least one Photoshop shootout on stage first.

It was an okay keynote I suppose. But after all that hype some people seem to have expected iTransporter, iEndofworldhunger with iWorldpeace thrown in. And all that running 3 ghz.

sebi

Overhyped? (1)

bliss (21836) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799726)

" There where times when the Keynote really blue me away. After it was over I did feel a little cheated though. iPhoto looks like a great application. I downloaded it allready, but didn't have a chance to try it out yet. You can get it here [apple.com]. Download size is 13.4 MB."

Why is this revolutionary? And why does Apple seem to put such great stock in it? Aren't things like this mostly old hat with a nifty interface?

Re:Overhyped? (2, Informative)

sebi (152185) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799797)

I think that it's a lot of old hats under one nifty interface. You can import your photos, edit them , print them on your inkjet, put them on the web, have prints delivered from kodak and have a hardcover bound Album with nice layot delivered to wherever you want it.

Most of these things where possible before, but not this nice. And the program is free. Prints and the Album will cost (29.99 for the first 10 pages, 3 dollars for each page afterwards IIRC)

Re:My thoughts on the whole thing (4, Informative)

sammy.lost-angel.com (316593) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799742)

I agree with you. However, Macwork Tokyo is just 2 months away. They revised two of their lines of computers (with the iMac being a MAJOR revision). Introduced iPhoto, which is waaay cooler looking than i had imagined. If the updated their pro lines, what would be left for Tokyo?

It's possible that the G5 can be ready in time for Tokyo, in which case they don't want to take any attention away from the iMac if they don't have to by offering minor speed increases to their pro line.

Just my thoughts.

Reason for PowerMac and iMac processor situation (2, Redundant)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799772)

The new, faster G4s (or call them G5s - same chip, regardless) have been in the pipeline for some time. My guess is Jobs wanted to put the new iMacs front and center right now. In three or four months, we'll likely hear about the new processors being placed in updated desktop machines.

Some points to actually owning one? (0, Flamebait)

bliss (21836) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799667)

What points would the programming inclined need for such a thing.

Re:Some points to actually owning one? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799789)

Well, you can do all your work with the power of last weeks $2,499 tower w/o monitor. But the most important thing, the thing the iMac is for, is that you kids, wife, & parents can use it to share memories and enhance their life. You can use it for doing things not possible to the average consumer a few years ago. If all you need in a computer is a calculator, then buy a PC and know how to troubleshoot it. If you want to use the computer as an extension of the mind to visually express your thoughts and listen/record to music and view/create movies in a fun way, get the iMac. The iMac is not for everyone anymore, maybe next year it will be again.

Damn Macs and their excellent video support! (1)

Marsh Jedi (244205) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799670)

Where can I get a 14' display for my computer???

Potential as a good home system (2, Insightful)

Marx_Mrvelous (532372) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799672)

I like the direction that Apple is taking here. Lots of people have things like digital cameras, mp3 players, CD burners, but the software erquired to get them all working together can be a major pain for Joe ComputerUser.

One machine with sufficient power (700MHz G3 is pretty quick) that makes all that truly easy would be a great thing for most homes. But... the secret lies in the software, not the hardware. I'd like to see something like this for PCs.

Re:Potential as a good home system (3, Informative)

Dominic_Mazzoni (125164) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799704)

A 700 MHz G3 is okay.

Now a 700 MHz G4, now that's fast! (All of the new iMacs have G4 processors.)

Re:Potential as a good home system (1)

Mr. Barky (152560) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799727)

700MHz G3

The iMac now comes with a 700 MHz G4

it's like the lottery! (2, Redundant)

Bjarke Roune (107212) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799674)

"DVD burner on one of 3 models"

Wow! I hope I'm lucky and my maschine comes with a DVD bruner! I mean, the chance is 33%, so it's not that unlikely... If I don't get lucky the first time around, I'll just have to try again... really want a DVD burner!

Mount on wall (5, Interesting)

dthable (163749) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799676)

I wonder if Apple will start selling wall mounting kits. Then you would take up zero desk space.

Re:Mount on wall (1)

mx90 (203711) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799725)

Yeah, except you'd have to be careful and be ready to make a quick catch when you eject the CD/DVD. :)

Nice Stuff... (2)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799679)

... but I was expecting a little bit more. Something truely groundbreaking.

The iMac update is pretty cool (if not a little funky looking). iPhoto gets downloaded when I get home (and it gives me an excuse to go buy a camera... anyone have any advice on a good digital camera in the $300-$400 range?). The new iBook seems to be just a bigger version (no G4). Nice, but again nothing truely groundbreaking.

At least the Quicktime streaming was fairly smooth. I expected them to get hammered. It seemed to have held up pretty well.

Re:Nice Stuff... (2, Informative)

harvardian (140312) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799800)

I just bought a Sony Cyber Shot DSC P50 for $300 (for my girlfriend, actually) and found it well worth the investment. It goes up to 1280 with 1.3 Megapixels and a 3x optical zoom (up to 6x with digital zooming, but that doesn't count).

It takes high-quality JPEGs, which have excellent quality so far as I've seen and you can fit 20 of them on an 8MB memory stick. If you want to be really anal about picture quality and take all of your pictures in TIFF form, they're 3.6 MB a pop, so you should buy a 128MB memory stick (about $130 I think).

With spiffy battery, memory stick, and all, the thing comes out to about $425.

Now, if only I had a Mac so that I could plug this thing into iPhoto...that would be mad cool (this kind of thinking is just what Jobs wanted, I think).

Re:Nice Stuff... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799801)

Olympus anything, floor demo model from Micro Center or something.

Trust me. Olympus.

iI iJust iDon't iKnow (2, Troll)

eries (71365) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799680)

iI ijust idon't iknow iif iI ican itake iit imuch ilonger!

Cute, but ... (5, Funny)

d-e-w (173678) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799684)

I keep expecting it to start hopping around like the Pixer desk lamp! ;)

Re:Cute, but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799805)

Gee reminds me of a post from the last thread on this subject...

nice new form factor (1)

yellowjacket03 (470997) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799687)

It looks ok, but I hope that I don't have to service these things. Hopefully they will be RMA to apple

iPhoto - Best... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799688)

pr0n organizer ever. And now I can turn my favorite pr0n into a real book! With captions! Thank you, Apple!

OS X still sucks - run like Windows NT 4 on a 486! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799689)

Can Apple do anything but put a computer in a new box with a fancy design and colors? LCD monitors for desktops have been available for years!

Where's the "One More Thing" (tm)? (1)

tibbetts (7769) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799690)

Now that the highest-end iMac is hitting 800MHz, where's the speed bump (not to mention all-out redesign) for the G4 towers? This can't be the last word for the keynote.

"Superdrive?" (1)

duncan7 (247274) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799691)

Seems it wasn't too long ago that I spec'd a "Superdrive" for an iMac that was an LS-120 120MB floppy. I even bought it from Apple, IIRC. Now it's a DVD/CDRW combo drive? Did Imation not trademark that term?

Re:"Superdrive?" (1)

merlynn (46222) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799761)

They were called "SuperDisk" drives from Imation. Close, but no cigar...

Re:"Superdrive?" (1)

PatSmarty (135304) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799804)

Actually, it's the 3th time: The 3.5 inch floppy drive in the old SE and Mac II were also called Superdrive, since they could change between CAV (the PC way) and CLV (the Mac way) and therefore also read PC disks.

Superdisk (2)

ZigMonty (524212) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799811)

IIRC, you're referring to the Superdisk drive. Apple has named a product "Superdrive" before though, the 3.5" floppy drives that could read MS-DOS disks (late 80s).

What a surprise... (1)

Chicane-UK (455253) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799693)

I thought this was supposed to be 'way beyond the rumor sites' - god damnit, Jobs's overhyping of his products is starting to really rile me...

better than slashdot (1)

sebi (152185) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799696)

A Jobs Keynote is way better than slashdot. It even managed to bring the apple servers down. By ourselves we wil never manage that ;-)

iMac availability (5, Informative)

pemerson (179241) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799697)

Note that on apple's purchasing site (store.apple.com [apple.com] ) the lower end new iMacs aren't available until March. The only one available in January is the top of the line $1800 one with the Superdrive (DVD writer & CD-RW). The other new item which I saw (didn't see the Keynote, so don't know how much attention was paid to it) is the 14.1" screen on the new top end iBook.

A New Record (1)

ptrourke (529610) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799698)

http://www.apple.com/ was slashdotted before Slashdot even posted the story!

Re:A New Record (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799773)

http://www.apple.com/ was slashdotted before Slashdot even posted the story!

If that's true they weren't "slashdotted", they were "macworldexpoed".

Arrorgant People Profit Losing Entinty=Apple (0, Troll)

termite666 (101297) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799707)

It looks great ,it's just too bad I dont buy computers for how they look !!!

heh (1)

altan (519377) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799712)

Looks like Steve gave in to Canada early...

The one thing I wish macs had... (1)

gooberguy (453295) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799715)

Apple has done a great job with design, ease-of-use, and bus speed. The only problems they have are slow CPU speeds and SMP solutions that are too costly.

Until Apple makes a 1.5Ghz G5, they won't get me as part of thier market share. They look pretty and have blazingly fast hard drives, but the cpu limits the capabilites of the Mac.

D/\ Gooberguy

You're going to be waiting a while... (5, Funny)

Doktor Memory (237313) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799766)

Until Apple makes a 1.5Ghz G5, they won't get me as part of thier market share.

You're going to be waiting a while, since Apple doesn't make CPUs of any speed -- that's Motorola and IBM's job.

Re:The one thing I wish macs had... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799798)

The only problems they have are slow CPU speeds and SMP solutions that are too costly. Until Apple makes a 1.5Ghz G5, they won't get me as part of thier market share.

That's ok, if you're stupid enough to compare the clock speeds on a RISC directly to those on an CISC, you don't deserve a Mac anyway. My 450 MHz iBook running OSX with 256 MB of memory is twice as fast as my 700 MHz PIII running XP with 256 MB of memory.

hmm (0, Troll)

imsirovic5 (542929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799717)

Why does apple care more about exterior fashionable aspects of its products then about its funcionality and usability as well as perfomance?

14' display!!! (4, Redundant)

mrroot (543673) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799719)

Apple also announced other new products like a 14' display on some iBooks

Wow! a 14' display, and my laptop only has a 14" display. Just imagine playing your favorite video game on a 14 ft display.

While many business application users will not enjoy having a 14 ft screen, I think this will be great for gamers.

I wonder what the max resolution on that will be... 1,280,000 x 1,024,000 pixels?

Re:14' display!!! (1)

mx90 (203711) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799744)

Except for the fact that it only comes with a GeForce 2 MX....

Re:14' display!!! (2, Funny)

Tintin (3789) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799812)

So if you play a DVD of This Is Spinal Tap on it, will the Stonehenge monument come out to be the right size?

I kind of like it (1)

harvardian (140312) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799721)

As much as I've been anti-Apple since I was small, I have to say that Apple's new direction is definitely impressing me. I didn't think the iMac was as revolutionary as Jobs thought it was, but it was a good idea and it raised Apple's stock an incredible amount -- which is why after watching the expo streaming in Quicktime I went to my online brokerage and bought stock in the company (not too much in case I'm being taken for the Hyped-Out-Fool).

I also think this "digital hub" idea of Jobs's is very compelling, especially to the average home user. Compare the idea of a BSoD while trying to plug in your digital camera ("Creating a driver database...please wa...*gurgle*) to plugging in your digital camera and having your photos automatically uploaded to your computer and organized in a sensical fashion. And then paying $30 for a book of hard-copy pictures. There's really no comparison.

If these things sell as much as I think they will, I think we might see quite a bit of Apple resurgence...

Cooling this thing? (4, Insightful)

Brento (26177) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799723)

How are they cooling this new one? It's got a G4, a SuperDrive, a GeForce2 MX, and the power supply, all inside that base, and there's no airflow from the bottom to the top? (There's a cover over the bottom, where the ram chips and Airport card go.) I can't believe this thing isn't going to get toasty-hot. The Cube didn't have a fan, but it had an external power supply, so they were kinda cheating.

I'll be watching the whole deal just to see how they pull that off. If they can cool that thing without a fan, I'll be impressed.

Re:Cooling this thing? (5, Funny)

banky (9941) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799788)

the answer should be obvious:

iCe.

Thank you, be sure and tip your waitress.

Random letters again (-1, Offtopic)

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It's still FUGLY (0, Flamebait)

drenehtsral (29789) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799735)

It reminds me of obnoxious contemporary furniture, snotty yuppie housewares, tacky .COM boom era loft houses, and all those other things that symbolize snobby excess, and like many other Apple products, it's very 3 years ago.

Klerck and CmderTaco are Bastards! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799736)

Now for some i's

Icrap
Idick
Ishit
Isex
Icock
Itroll
Iflame
Igoat
Irotten
Ipenis
Ibird
Iam1337
I1stp0st

oops (5, Interesting)

seanw (45548) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799738)

The comments about the lack change to the PowerMac desktop line are spot on...Apple has a real problem here.

The iMac now has a G4 at comparable speeds, a Superdrive, more expandable RAM capability, and OH YEAH it comes with a 15" LCD display. The PowerMac has the same thing, for $600 more, and without the display (so throw in another $500 if you want to be able to actually see the output of your computer). It is more than just disappointing...it is totally illogical.

I will grant that the PowerMac is more expandable in terms of PCI slots, but...I can no longer think of a single good reason anyone would want to buy a PowerMac, which means unless Apple updates them before the iMacs ship in January, their high-end desktop sales are pretty much going down the crapper.

sean

New 'wireless' keyboard and mouse (1)

charon_on_acheron (519983) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799739)

The best feature isn't even mentioned on the Apple website. You apparently don't need a keyboard or mouse anymore. There must be a receiver built into the frame of the LCD that senses your brainwaves, and knows what you want to type, or click, or what alien you are aiming at.

Now that is so cool.

By the way, does the Superdrive mean they are re-evaluating their rejection of the floppy drive. Since Superdrives can read and write floppies, they have to support the format, even if there is not the actual hardware such as a floppy drive controller. Just wondering...

OOPS on the Superdrive (1)

charon_on_acheron (519983) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799777)

My mistake, I thought that was the SuperDisk. This Superdrive is apparently a CD and DVD burner. Oops.

I guess I should have stayed with my main topic.

I wish that laptops had the cool screen arm thingy (3, Interesting)

John Harrison (223649) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799743)

As I stare at my laptop screen each day I wish that I could raise it a bit without having the keyboard end up at my chin. Wouldn't it be cool/useful it laptops came with some mechanism for moving the screen independently from the base? I don't mean simply tilting it, but moving it up and down as well as turning it to either side. Moving it closer to me and further would be useful too.

The only problems that I could see with a feature such as this is that you might be able to change the center of gravity of the machine enough to tip it over and it might be difficult to design a mechanism that would be both lightweight and durable.

Apple didn't deliver! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799745)

Actually the top thing we asked for was for Jobs and his iEgo to go away. And once again he disappoints.

New iMac is da bomb (1)

Richard5mith (209559) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799748)

New iMac is da bomb, I want one. That screen is just too damn cool.

Bigger screens on iBooks, excellent.

Really nice, free image program in the shape of iPhoto. Fab, since I just bought a new digital camera.

No change to the G4, so I should get a good price when I sell mine (and buy an iBook probably).

Bit disappointed there was nothing hugely surprising, but that's really just because everybody expects them to create world peace, when in fact they're just a computer company.

Guaranteed PC manufacturers up and down the country are now trying to work out how to copy the new iMac though.

at least... (2, Funny)

Gehenna_Gehenna (207096) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799749)

it didn't turn out like this [bbspot.com]

Yay, go BSD go! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799750)

With Apple's support, the original prototype
Open Source BSD Unix(tm) is now the largest
volume shipping Unix(tm), eclipsing all other
*Linux and commercial Unix(tm) versions combined.
The new iMac is just one more platform that will
spread Unix to more and more users.

Yuck (0, Flamebait)

Burgundy Advocate (313960) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799755)

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit's...

Super-Mega-Fugly, my GOD it's FUCKING UGLY!

You know, if they were going to change the design that much, the least they could do is take some design cues from SGI or NeXT. Right now it looks like a bizarre roadsign with a tupperwear base.

Apple may have great hardware, but I can't figure out where they get their design cues. Well, besides the new iBook. Yum.

timecanada (2, Funny)

sinserve (455889) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799756)

On my birthday, a representitive of TimeCanada
stoped me as I was about to enter my apartment.
"Don't be alarmed" he said, "Your friends are in
there, awaiting to surprise you."

Wow, a laptop without batteries (1)

sludg-o (120354) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799758)

So the new iMac is basically a laptop without batteries. Gee, I better preorder.

(don't mod me down as a troll for telling the truth)

14' Display? (1)

TheBracket (307388) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799759)

Apple also announced other new products like a 14' display on some iBooks, and iPhoto

I think CmdrTaco might mean 14" (inchdes) not 14' (feet); while a laptop with a 14 foot display might be cool, it definitely wouldn't be practical!

pretty much exactly what the rumormongers said (1)

SideshowBob (82333) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799760)

So last year the rumor mongers predicted both these items, a flat panel iMac and a digital photo "i" application. Apple didn't announce either and everyone blamed the rumor mongers for hyping peoples expectations too high.

So this year Apple itself hypes like crazy ("Beyond the rumors. Way beyond") and then announces pretty much exactly what the rumor mongers predicted *last* year. Apple opens mouth, inserts foot, has no one else to blame but itself.

Vertical Use? (4, Interesting)

SanLouBlues (245548) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799762)

Are they gonna update OSX so the display could be easily rotated 90 deg. for long web pages and the like? That'd be cool.

Another key feature: cost (5, Informative)

Masem (1171) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799764)

CNN reported on the Time's flub with the pre-keynote news, but had additional analysis of the new iMac. Most importantly, besides Apple's attenuation with style, this iMac with DVD writer will be quite compariable in price to similar offerings from Dell or Compaq, $1800 vs $1600 respectively. If this was 3-4 years ago, I'd have expected similar machines from Apple and the PC clone makers to have a price difference of at least $500, but that appears to have evaporated; I'd suspect that the bulk of the cost of these units (Apple and PC) are in the flat-panel monitor, DVD-writer, and OS software; everything else is dirt cheap nowadays.

I don't ever expect an Apple and non-Apple machine to cost the same, but the more Apple can cut down that difference, the better off they are.

TIME magazine cover story (1)

avij (105924) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799767)

Seems like the Time magazine cover story was OK with Apple, as there's a link to TIME.com right on the front page. Obviously the "spoiled surprise" was just a neat marketing trick.

Wow, another shape (1)

jeff13 (255285) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799768)

Oh I'm soooo excited. Another shape! Ooooo. Ahhhhh. Gosh, a G4 chip! How powerful. How much RAM? What video card? HOW MUCH!?!?!?!

I'm kidding. But really, is there any reason to be this expensive? It's hardly the Rolls Royce of hardware, no matter how cleverly the motherboard is laid out. Why apple insists on creating over priced hunks of plastic is mystifying.

heavy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799775)

"Apple also announced other new products like a 14' display on some iBooks..."

That's a pretty big display for a laptop :)

Great Consumer product. (1)

joel8x (324102) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799776)

I know a lot of PC users will say that the specs are yesterday's technology, but they obviously have never had the pleasure of owning a Mac within the last couple of years. What you get when you by a Mac is so much more than a computer and the new iMac is a perfect example why. The original iMac was a fashion statement. It was something every college kid lusted after for their dorm rooms. This one is so stylish, that people will have them proudly diplayed in their houses, not just their kids' rooms. The fact that they gave the new iMac a G4 and an NVidia 32MB graphics card in that design is amazing to me.

Have apple been hacked? (-1, Troll)

johnburton (21870) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799778)

Looks like it. Someone seems to have broken into their web site and put a picture of a joke computer on the front page.

That has to be the stupidest looking computer I've ever seen in my life.

Imac on the cover of Time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2799780)

Why doesn't the Time abandon all premise of objectivity here and just publicly kiss Steve Jobs macin-tush.

* SMACK *

The photo/video difference... (2, Interesting)

Ariane 6 (248505) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799782)

Is striking...I honestly didn't know what to think of this creation from Apple's labs when I saw the little pictures online, but having seen the thing in action during the keynote, I have to say that yes, I do want one. Too bad I'll have to pay off my TiBook first :P

Some nice little jabs at Adobe and Time magazine sprinkled in, too...fun. Photoshop X does look nice, though, and I'm dling iPhoto as I write this. It looks sweet enough to make me want to get a camera.

Oh, and all those wondering about the Pro Line...I doubt anyone'd bet against new Powermacs at MW Tokyo this March, and unlike what was predicted for this show, I imagine that those really will have the G5.

iPod prices (0, Offtopic)

Triv (181010) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799783)

Don't know if y'all noticed, but they dropped the educational price of the ipod by ten bucks to 350ish as well.

It's getting more affordable at least. At this rate it'll be under a hundred in...four years, at which point it'll be replaced with a much better unit that can be implanted subcutaneously and run off of your nervous system.

"I've got you...under my skin."

Triv

Shame about MacOSX (0, Flamebait)

Chicane-UK (455253) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799787)

Darn.. I was hoping one of the big announcements was going to be MacOS X on the PC..

But seeing as they cant even get it running quickly & reliably on their own hardware, asking them to port it over to the PC is a bit too much to ask :)

Ready for K-12? (1)

Xcruciate (261968) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799790)

After seeing the new iMac design, I wonder how such a machine will hold up in K-12 education settings. How sturdy is the neck that the flat screen is attached to? Is it removable? Will it tip over somewhat easily? They de-evolved back to a tray load CDROM, Why? They (on higher priced models) use non-integrated speakers; after all the hype of less wires. Slot loads were great! I know that Apple would probaby like to see iBooks throughout K-12, but non-portable workstations are sometimes more useful in a classroom setting. In the end, consumers will let Apple know what they don't like, and Apple will revise the iMac again.

Ugly (0, Informative)

Zephy (539060) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799792)

Ugly ugly ugly. Looks like someone stuck a flatpanel in some turd, sprayed it white and called it an imac.

I'd like a better graphics card (1)

TurboDog99 (442475) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799793)

Since the graphics card can't be changed, I would have thought they'd use something other than what was considered low end at the beginning of last year. It will be a dinosaur by the end of this year. My PC that I haven't upgraded in a year and a half has a better graphics card (GeForce 2 GTS.)

Some specs (3, Redundant)

90XDoubleSide (522791) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799799)

Now that the keynote is finished, apple.com has been updated with sections on the new iMac , the new iBook and iPhoto, including the download (13.5MB).

Here are the official specs on the new iMacs from Apple's page:

The two bottom models have a 700 MHz G4, with the top one having an 800 MHz chip. All feature 256K processor speed L2 cache, but all have a 100 MHz bus, slightly slower than the towers. Bottom model has 128 MB RAM, all others 256; lower two models have 40 GB drives, top model has 60; bottom model has CD-RW, top two have DVD-R/CD-RWs, and finally the top two come with a set of Apple Pro Speakers.

All models have: GeForce 2MX/32MB DDR, 2 FireWire ports, 3 USB 1.1 ports on the machine and two on the keyboard, Mini-VGA output port, 56K modem, 10/100 ethernet, and a typical software bundle with all the iApps, Quicken 2002, Otto Matic, World Book Encyclopedia, AppleWorks, and a bunch of free browsers and readers preinstalled.

The screen is a 15" viewable TFT at 1024x768 at millions of colors.

Apple will continue to sell CRT iMacs starting at $799; the new models cost $1299, $1499, and $1799, respectively.

The new iBooks received more of a speed bump than a revolutionary upgrade like the iMac, but are still a great deal in consumer portables. They now stand like this:

500 MHz G3 in the bottom model, 600MHz in the others; bottom two have 128MB RAM, top has 256; 66MHz bus in the bottom, 100 in the top two; CD- ROM in the bottom, DVD-R/CD-RW in the top two; 15 GB disk in the bottom, 20 in the top two; and of course a 12.1" display in the bottom two and a 14" in the top one.

All the iBooks have 1 FireWire port and 2 USB 1.1 ports, a VGA out and a composite video out (w/ adapter), 56K modem, 10/100 ethernet, the small white power adapter, and the same bundle as the iMac.

The dimensions are 11.2x9.06x1.35" and 4.9 lbs. on the 12.1" models, and 12.7x10.2x1.35 and 5.99 lbs. on the 14" model, and the 12.1" models have a 42 watt-hour battery for an advertised 5 hours of power, with the 14" model having a 55 watt-hour battery with an advertised 6 hours of power.

Apple has done it again, offering the flat screen iMac starting at $1299 with a G4, even as many were doubting they could offer any flat screen desktop below $1499!

same DVD-General drive? (1, Informative)

klund (53347) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799809)

Is the new DVD burner the same as the old Apple DVD burner? The one that won't actually let you do anything as useful as a CD burner will?
Quote:

What it quietly neglects to say is that you can't use it to copy or time-shift or record any audio or video copyrighted by major companies. Even if you have the legal right to do so, the technology will prevent you. They don't say that you can't use it to mix and match video tracks from various artists, the way your CD burner will. It doesn't say that you can't copy-protect your own disks that it burns; that's a right the big manufacturers have reserved to themselves. They're not selling you a DVD-Authoring drive, which is for "professional use only". They're selling you a DVD-General drive, which cannot record the key-blocks needed to copy-protect your own recordings, nor can a DVD-General disc be used as a master to press your own DVDs in quantity. These distinctions are not even glossed over; they are simply ignored, not mentioned, invisible until after you buy the product.

From John Gilmore's What's Wrong With Copy Protection [toad.com]

It looks cool, could be a weapon. (0)

mx90 (203711) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799814)

It looks too much like a lamp to me. That little neck for the screen would be a good handle to beat someone over the head with the base.

I can see it now:

girlfriend: cmon, lets go out
me: just... one... more... frag...
girlfriend: you've been playing q3 all day
me: camper!
girlfriend: arrrggggggg!

Jobs' definition of victory... (1, Insightful)

PeterClark (324270) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799816)

This just brings to mind a quote that the Times Canada article (now pulled) had from Jobs: "Victory in this industry is survival." He goes on by saying that Apple intends to survive by "innovating." Well, we all know that "innovation" is buzzword-compliant and really doesn't mean much these days, but it is clear that innovation for Apple (at least with this iLamp) is more centered around form than function. Yes, there's the usual bit about how much easier computing is going to be. Ra, ra, ra. Great for the grandmas of the world that have lived all their life quite hapilly without such features as iPhoto and whatnot. The real question is, will this new form shore up Apple's declining business?
Personally, I would be concerned any time a business equated "victory" with survival. However, given the current tech industry, perhaps that's not so far off.
:Peter

Am I Now Immune... (2, Interesting)

pr0t0 (216378) | more than 12 years ago | (#2799817)

...to the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field? I guess I have to see one in person, but the new iMac looks plain stupid. I so wish I didn't feel that way. I saw the keynote at the Apple Store, and although we all clapped, many expressed disappointment. Under the hood, the improvements are stellar, but on the surface? I was hoping for wireless keyboard and mouse. Can video be sent wirelessly? How about an iMac that "senses" one or more wireless flat panels? H2H gaming! I really hope it does well, but I won't buy one.
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